How is it possible to get scrollbar so wrong!?
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He probably means “most better-quality programs”.
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Or "I saw this, but it was on a mac"
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You get a dialog saying "you need administrator permissions to perform this action" or something like that. And since you don't have local admin on the machine, you're boned.
I worked in a place like that once. We even had a really shit antivirus that slowed the pc down to a halt. Management recognized this and mandated that it be taken off the build and test machines which sped up the build/test turnaround quite nicely. Funny thing is though the build and test machine user has full admin privileges.In the interest of science someone changed the password to all the administers. That was quite funny for a day or two.
We also had a chronic issue with viruses on test machines infecting the network drives. No one ever did suss what could of been happening there.
install things or run a debugger without being root?
I've never had problem with debuggers in linux without root but in the corporate environments I needed root and a 50 page dossier in order to install anything. Might of just been the corporate policy though. None of us plebs were allowed root access to our machines.
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Mac keyboard stuff. OK. Why the ■■■■■ do they need a special snowflake keyboard again?
Probably going back to the time when everybody who made computers had their own ideas about what keys a keyboard should have, and where they should be. Everybody except Apple eventually got snowed under by IBM and Microsoft.
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I think the one time I had that it was when I was trying out Sublime Text.
Fuck, even Eclipse had it for ages by now.
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Only installers need admin privileges. AFAIK you can run servers and debuggers on limited accounts just fine (I believe I have in fact).
You can, but some rights have to be granted if you want to debug applications that are not your own. This can be controlled using the Local Security Policies policy management thingie.
**Debug programs**
This user right determines which users can attach a debugger to any process or to the kernel. Developers who are debugging their own applications do not need to be assigned this user right. Developers who are debugging new system components will need this user right to be able to do so. This user right provides complete access to sensitive and critical operating system components.
Caution
Assigning this user right can be a security risk. Only assign this user right to trusted users.
Default: Administrators
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Why do Windows users have a special "Windows" key? And why does it only have 30 shortcuts associated with it? It's nearly as much of a waste of real estate as the Caps Lock or SysRq keys.
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Well, I use Mod4 a lot when on Linux.
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ARE YOU MY WIFE?
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Wait, in the Windows world you can't run a web server
IIS Express is a web server. So yes, you can run a web server. You just can't run a web server that hosts on a port < 1024. Which means you can't set up realistic debugging scenarios. (Or, at least, it's a lot more tricky. You'd be surprised how many JS ajax libraries fail when you give them a port number.)
or install things
Generally, no. The Windows default, for better or worse, is to install for all users. For obvious reasons, you can't install for all users without admin permissions
or run a debugger without being root?
You can run a debugger on code executed from Visual Studio. You can't attach a debugger to other processes. (For example, proper IIS.) The "attach debugger" permission is actually a huge security thing, for a lot of obvious reasons. (Imagine if malware were permitted to attach a debugger to whatever!)
That sucks. I wonder when Windows will catch up with Linux.
I dunno; it'd have to slow the pace an awful lot.
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Assigning this user right can be a security risk. Only assign this user right to trusted users.
As in, trusted enough to literally poke around everything important up to and including kernel code, but NOT trusted enough to be local fucking admin?!
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page
What's a page?
What would happen if you upgrade? Do they shoot you?
No. But I will. Fuck Office > 2010
How the fuck are you a software developer without local admin?
Just write code without bugs.
Which means you can't set up realistic debugging scenarios.
+this for every web shop I've ever worked at:
dev: Mah feature workz!
{DEPLOY TO PROD}
dev Mah feature is teh borks!Me: Did you test how your feature impacts URL Rewrite?
dev I no kno how 2 URLright on iisexpress
Me: You can't. Install URL Rewrite in your local IIS instance and point it at your dev codebase.
dev: why is debug?
Me: It isn't working because you need to turn on debugging for IIS. Just google the fucking error message, and read the guide you find.
dev I no know how 2 IIS!!!!!
Me:
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How the fuck are you a software developer without local admin?
"Ok! I just finished our new desktop app! Now to test the installer-- oh wait I can't."
... I guess it works if you write web apps and are perfectly ok doing 100% of your testing on IIS Express and never need to attach a debugger to anything? Maybe?
Um, because I write software for an embedded platform? Have you heard of those? No? Welcome to a whole new world of hurt, dude. But, equally, I don't need local admin (what's that? some kind of Windows thing?) to do my job. There's a regression test framework for basic tests of our module, and I have two firewalls to myself under my desk.
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While I get and agree with your point, IIS Express does fully support URL Rewrite. JUST SAYIN'.
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Um, because I write software for an embedded platform?
Um!
I love these posts from embedded people. They're so angry and bitter. I get them all the time.
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While I get and agree with your point, IIS Express does fully support URL Rewrite. JUST SAYIN'.
Oops, I meant WebDevServ, or whatever that crud that comes built into Visual Studio is.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Oops, I meant WebDevServ, or whatever that crud that comes built into Visual Studio is.
Nobody's used that since like 2009. You be time-poddin'.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Oops, I meant WebDevServ, or whatever that crud that comes built into Visual Studio is.
Nobody's used that since like 2009. You be time-poddin'.
Every shop I've worked at has used it. It's what launches when you press F5, and requires knowledge to change that. (Keyword there: knowledge). It still exists in VS2012. Since I tend to do a lot of support and maintenance, I'm using VS2005, VS2008, VS2010 and VS2012 on a regular basis.
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? My copy of 2012 doesn't even have it installed. IIS Express is the default.
Even so, the "knowledge" is literally just looking at the Web sections of the project's Properties and pulling it down from the select box.
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I love these posts from embedded people. They're so angry and bitter. I get them all the time.
Perhaps if you didn't go on as if the world of software development is just two things, webification and desktopoids, you might get some respect.I have no particular need for local admin on a day-to-day basis. I know the root password on my dev machine, and I used it to put my account on a no-password basis in /etc/sudoers, so I suppose that's more or less the equivalent. But I don't use it much because I don't need it.
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Perhaps if you didn't go on as if the world of software development is just two things, webification and desktopoids, you might get some respect.
Has it occurred to you at all that I don't give a shit if you respect me?
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Even so, the "knowledge" is literally just looking at the Web sections of the project's Properties and pulling it down from the select box.
You know that. I know that. But my point still stands. Web developers aren't the most-- outside the box thinkers. Or inside the box thinkiers. Or thinkiers.
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I don't even get how their copies of VS2012 have it installed.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Web developers aren't the most-- outside the box thinkers. Or inside the box thinkiers. Or thinkiers.
My wife had to contact the web development company that supports a client of hers today, because a page had a redirect loop. They responded with
could you explain what you mean by "redirect loop"?
This is the same company who. when asked to implement a 301 redirect looked at her like she was speaking some crazy moon language
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Web developers aren't the most-- outside the box thinkers. Or inside the box thinkiers. Or thinkiers.
My wife had to contact the web development company that supports a client of hers today, because a page had a redirect loop. They responded with
could you explain what you mean by "redirect loop"?
This is the same company who. when asked to implement a 301 redirect looked at her like she was speaking some crazy moon language
Most web developers these days don't understand HTTP at all. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them don't even know that it exists.
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I don't even get how their copies of VS2012 have it installed.
Huh. Whaddya know. IIS Express is default. They must be explicitly switching to Visual Studio Dev Server:
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Most web developers these days don't understand HTTP at all.
+1, including TCP, HTML, and more
Why are form values gone after clicking link? DO YOU KNOW WHAT STATELESS MEANS?!?
My site isn't serving .png as images. DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW YOUR WEB SERVER HANDLES FILE EXTENSIONS?!?
My ajax call is returning blank DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT SAME-DOMAIN POLICY IS?!?!?!
My javascript works in dev console by the same variable is blank when I run the page DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT DOCUMENT READY EVENT IS?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!
#DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT ANYTHING?!??!?!?!?!?!
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@Lorne_Kates said:
My ajax call is returning blank DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT SAME-DOMAIN POLICY IS?!?!?!
To be fair, that AJAX library is swallowing errors it shouldn't.
But yes. HTTP/HTML aren't difficult, it's amazing to me to encounter developers who don't know it.
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but installers require elevation before they begin to run.
Not necessarily. Only exe installers that have been marked as admin-required, or per-machine MSIs. per-user MSIs are a thing.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
IIS Express is default.
What happens if, during the install, you choose not to install IIS because it seems like a waste of space?
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IIS Express != IIS. They are two entirely different products. (Well, not ENTIRELY different, but. Point is, you can run IIS Express on a computer with no IIS. Or run both simultaneously serving different things.)
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I don't use IIS Express - is there an advantage to using it over IIS locally?
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You can debug without having to run Visual Studio as admin (which is bad practice), or to manually attach the debugger, is the main thing as far as I'm concerned. So: convenience.
Theoretically, it behaves identically to actual IIS.
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Theoretically, it behaves identically to actual IIS.
in actual practice i find it is the uncanny valley of IIS, it behaves just close enough for developers to forget it's not actually IIS and just different enough to be a pain to debug when the error is caused by a specific IIS configuration.
but in that case you should just throw it on IIS proper and attach the debugger.
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Fuck, even Eclipse had it for ages by now.
Horizontal space is extremely valuable to me. The thinner the scrollbar, the better. There is no 'middle ground' in which a visual scrollbar is large enough to be able to see things and also small enough to not waste to much horizontal space for me.
Why do Windows users have a special "Windows" key? And why does it only have 30 shortcuts associated with it? It's nearly as much of a waste of real estate as the Caps Lock or SysRq keys.
On Chromebooks, the capslock key is nonexistent. Where it would be, they moved the Windows key there and it's now the Search key - it brings up the App Launcher. I know it's the Windows key because when I remote access my Windows machines, pressing it opens the start menu.
per-user MSIs are a thing.
I still need to learn about MSIs, but thanks - that sounds cool.
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Horizontal space is extremely valuable to me.
2000s called, they want their aspect ratio back.
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@LB_ said:
Horizontal space is extremely valuable to me.
2000s called, they want their aspect ratio back.<table> <tr> <td width="25%"><img src="spacer.gif></td> <td width="50%">CONTENT HERE</td> <td width="25%"><img src="spacer.gif"></td> </tr> </table>
Filed under: I am a Webmaster
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I wonder, on how many browsers of that age would that have worked, with the missing closing double quote? I won't be surprised by any answer.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
spacer.gif
I was kinda confused by this choice of name on first glance - in Polish, "spacer" means "a walk in a park".
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in Polish, "spacer" means "a walk in a park"
Does it mean that literally, or is it just an equivalent figure of speech? I ask because the phrase "a walk in the park" means it is a very easy task, but I'm not sure if that's what you meant. Google Translate just thinks it means "walk" or "stroll".
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Literally, "spacer" means just "a walk" - as in, a moderately long walk at slow pace for relaxation purposes; the kind that's usually associated with walking in a park or other green area - as opposed to a walk in general (for which the most appropriate word is "chód", although this word is rarely used - more often, we use various forms of verbs "iść" and "chodzić", both of which mean "to walk", but have slightly different usage).
So, to avoid going into gory details nobody gives a fuck about, the best translation of "spacer" is "a walk in a park", literally.
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I wonder, on how many browsers of that age would that have worked, with the missing closing double quote? I won't be surprised by any answer.
YOU'RE FILING TOO MANY BUGS! {banned}
I was kinda confused by this choice of name on first glance - in Polish, "spacer" means "a walk in a park".
must... resist... trolling... can't... resist...
IT'S ALMOST AS IF IT WAS CREATED BY ENGLISH SPEAKERS INSTEAD OF WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU CALL YOUR UMLAUT-RIDDLED JIBBERISH, BECAUSE THE WEB WAS INVENTED IN A REAL COUNTRY!!! THOUGH GIVEN HOW STUPIDLY RETARDED SPACER.GIF IS, I CAN FORGIVE YOU FOR THINKING IT CAME FROM POLAND.
ahhhhh... much better.
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So, to avoid going into gory details nobody gives a fuck about, the best translation of "spacer" is "a walk in a park", literally.
The english verb “stroll” will do that perfectly. Anyone claiming that they are strolling up a mountain or from one end of the country to the other is being a boasting braggart and should be ignored.
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Related to the German word "spazieren"?
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The english verb “stroll” will do that perfectly.
TIL the word "stroll". Also, a noun, not a verb.Related to the German word "spazieren"?
Yes, especially that Polish "c" sounds like German "z".
