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  • The BBCBreaking Twitter account keeps posting articles like this one:

    And they all make me wonder... WTF?

    Is going to Turkey illegal if you live in the UK? Why the fuck would the police care?


  • sockdevs

    Well, this page doesn't say anything about it being a particularly dangerous place to go, aside from the Syrian border, so I guess there's no reason to mention it other than to flesh out the article


  • area_deu

    @blakeyrat said:

    Why the fuck would the police care?

    Their children not showing up at school for over a week without prior notice, I guess?



  • THAT IS THE ENTIRE ARTICLE.

    Family goes to Turkey. Police looking for their location.

    But why? How the fuck is the police involved?

    @aliceif said:

    Their children not showing up at school for over a week without prior notice, I guess?

    Then why is it national news, if it's just a truancy thing?


  • sockdevs

    Hardly national:



  • Then why the shit is it going on the BBC Breaking Twitter account!?

    Also I thought the BBC was a national news source. It's not???


  • sockdevs

    @blakeyrat said:

    Then why the shit is it going on the BBC Breaking Twitter account!?

    Fuck knows

    @blakeyrat said:

    Also I thought the BBC was a national news source. It's not???

    They do international, national, and regional



  • I have an alternative theory.

    BBC wants people to be scared of terrorists. And they want to make British people think their neighbors are all terrorists waiting to happen. And there's an implied "to become terrorists" after every sentence in that article.


  • sockdevs

    @blakeyrat said:

    BBC wants people to be scared of terrorists.

    Nah, that's the Daily Mail's shtick. And Sky News, for that matter.



  • There has to be some reason this was posted as national breaking news that isn't "well some kids are truant from school".

    What's your theory?


  • sockdevs

    @blakeyrat said:

    What's your theory?

    That modern news media will publish any old shite so long as it gets them readers



  • I poo in your cheetos.

    Some other UK person respond.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    why is it national news, if it's just a truancy thing?

    Missing kids is a bigger deal than kids missing school. In the latter case, you can find the kids and verify that they're safe.



  • Is there any reason to believe they aren't?

    I guess I don't get why the police are involved. I mean, did they find blood splatters or something? What the hell.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Is going to Turkey illegal if you live in the UK?

    It can be illegal to leave the country in some circumstances... for example if you go there with the intention to do something illegal (female genital mutilation being the most common example), but that doesn't seem the case here.

    My theory:

    1. Family disappears
    2. BBC starts writing wild theories about the disappearance, possibly involving terrorism and space robots.
    3. Police issues a communicate that "they probably just left to Turkey".
    4. BBC writers say "well we can't publish what we have now, but we have an article quota to meet. Fuck it, we'll just publish the new data".


  • The family were reported missing, and the police are working with family members still in the UK, suggesting that the parents took the children unexpectedly and possibly against their will to Turkey.

    I imagine the worry is that they're on an ISIS pilgrimage, which seems to be popular at the moment, if the news sites and Homeland can be believed.



  • @coldandtired said:

    I imagine the worry is that they're on an ISIS pilgrimage, which seems to be popular at the moment, if the news sites and Homeland can be believed.

    Aha, score one for Blakey's theory.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    BBC wants people to be scared of terrorists. And they want to make British people think their neighbors are all terrorists waiting to happen. And there's an implied "to become ISIS terrorists and so we're all going to die!!!" after every sentence in that article.

    FTFY



  • @blakeyrat said:

    BBC wants people to be scared of terrorists.

    Weren't you the one ridiculing all my conspiracy theories?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @anotherusername said:
    Missing kids is a bigger deal than kids missing school. In the latter case, you can find the kids and verify that they're safe.

    Is there any reason to believe they aren't?

    Yes. If they're left alone with their parents, the state has no control over what happens - what they're taught, how they're being raised up, how they're being fed, what they read, what they watch, what they think...


  • BINNED

    @Gaska said:

    Yes. If they're left alone with their parents, the state has no control over what happens - what they're taught, how they're being raised up, how they're being fed, what they read, what they watch, what they think...

    What fun shows they watch (e.g. stoning, or hanging or ...), at what age they marry, or learn to kill unbelievers, or how to kill them (with machete or throwing them off tall buildings), ...



  • I read the article as "an entire family, parents and five children, has been reported missing. Nobody knows where they are, but someone thinks they may have gone to Turkey". With an implied "and captured or killed by terrorists" at the end.



  • @coldandtired said:

    The family were reported missing, and the police are working with family members still in the UK, suggesting that the parents took the children unexpectedly and possibly against their will to Turkey.

    I imagine the worry is that they're on an ISIS pilgrimage, which seems to be popular at the moment, if the news sites and Homeland can be believed.

    This is why the UK government, and the daily rags, are getting their panties in a twist.
    Turkey is a gateway to Europe for Syria which, by extension, means that Turkey is a gateway to Syria for people who want to join I*

    The situation that is posited (as coldandtired mentions) is that the kids have disappeared and there is a suggestion that some of the family have been radicalised and that they are attempting to enter Syria, and bringing the kids with them.
    All obvious side-splitting mirth aside, this is heavy shit in the UK (and the rest of Europe) at the moment. As well as disagreeing where the migrants should go we are also having to contend with people who believe (I shan't comment on that belief) that Europe, the U.S. and Australia are wrong and that they need to fight the-good-fight from the Middle East.



  • I still don't really get why that's a matter for the police. ... do you require papers to travel in the UK? Like goddamned Communist Russia?

    Is this all just a scheme to get Americans and other right-thinking people to have debates like: "which do you hate more, ISIS or a Government declaring it illegal to travel outside its borders?"


  • BINNED

    good point



  • @blakeyrat said:

    do you require papers to travel in the UK? Like goddamned Communist Russia?

    Here in the workers' paradise, you don't need special papers to travel to the Middle East, but there are certain places where, if you go there, you'll be arrested and jailed when you get home.



  • We've arrested people who were planning to join ISIS life al-shabob our whatever that Ethiopian terrorist group is. If they suspect that then out makes sense for the police to be involved. At which point it's simply shoddy journalism.



  • @boomzilla said:

    our whatever

    I don't have a whatever. Why didn't you tell me we got a whatever?



  • We were going to tell you when you were old enough.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    I guess I don't get why the police are involved.

    Who handles missing persons reports in your world? In most places, that's a police function.

    I know it's a bit much to ask of you to read past the sub-header to the first sentence of the frigging article, but it's pretty much all there:

    **were reported missing** earlier on Tuesday, *West Yorkshire Police* said
    **bold part**: Someone reported them missing. The police investigated because **that's what they do** when someone is reported missing (give or take a minimum waiting period, etc). *italics part*: It was being handled by the West Yorkshire police, at a local level. Sounds like they've made enquiries among the relatives to see if anyone knew where they had gone, and someone said "I dunno, maybe Turkey?" and they're continuing to look into it.

    @blakeyrat said:

    Then why the shit is it going on the BBC Breaking Twitter account!?

    Because the BBC thought people would be interested in it. Also, the police are asking the public for information, so the BBC probably felt it wouldn't hurt to give it wider exposure.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    It's ISIS scaremongering. Here's an 'article' (The Daily Star is even more of a rag than the Daily Mail) about the same family being a bit more blatant about it:

    Imran Ameen, 39, and his wife, Farzana Ameen, 40, have left Bradford and are thought to have gone to Turkey with their children, who are aged between five and 15.
    ­
    [...]
    ­
    Muslim community leaders in Bradford think they may be following in the footsteps of three sisters from the city who went to Syria to join ISIS with their nine kids earlier this year.



  • @boomzilla said:

    We've arrested people who were planning to join ISIS life al-shabob our whatever that Ethiopian terrorist group is.

    Who the fuck is "we" in this context? I haven't arrested anybody.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    I still don't really get why that's a matter for the police. ... do you require papers to travel in the UK? Like goddamned Communist Russia?

    I don't know how it is where you live, but where I live, when someone is reported missing, the police investigate. Doesn't matter if they are child or adult. If someone reports them missing, there's going to be a police investigation. They may have been kidnapped, killed, and/or involved in some criminal activity. All of which are matters for the police.



  • Ok but how come I only see these articles if the people are (supposedly) going to the middle east?

    I'd never see this article if they suspected this family went to, say, France.

    Seriously, the BBC posts like 2-3 of these "OMG people traveling to the middle east!" stories a week. Maybe this one was a bad example. Next time I see another, I'll plop it down here too.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Seriously, the BBC posts like 2-3 of these "OMG people traveling to the middle east!" stories a week. Maybe this one was a bad example. Next time I see another, I'll plop it down here too.
    Yeah the BBC should stop the pretense and just start posting articles about reality tv shows and top ten lists about how ISIS is going to turn your children into rasher eating Jewish brides.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @DogsB said:

    rasher eating

    That's one thing that's a bit unlikely. Bacon is resistant to extremist Islam! :smile:



  • Gee I think that might have been the joke. You humorless fuck.

    Oh hey why don't you tell us with a stupid little smiley icon how ISIS feels about Jews while you're at it there, buddy!?!??!?!?!?



  • For the exact same reason the news agencies in the US do it. "Oh noes the terrorists!!1!1!!1"

    Fear sells. And sex. That sells too


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @mrguyorama said:

    Fear sells. And sex. That sells too

    But they don't sell too well in combination (with a few exceptions).



  • @dkf said:

    But they don't sell too well in combination (with a few exceptions).

    Like, uh, THE ENTIRE SLASHER MOVIE GENRE you idiot?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Ok but how come I only see these articles if the people are (supposedly) going to the middle east?

    Because it makes sales.

    There are millions of people each day who drive a car and arrive at their destination safe and sound, whereas it's just few unlucky ones that end up in a tragic accident - yet news report exclusively about the latter. What do you think - is it a conspiracy against truck drivers who are portrayed as serial killers, or something more trivial like pitching sales of the newspaper by getting rid of boring shit?



  • But isn't the BBC funded by moron taxes that no sane person should stand for? Why do they need sales?!

    Also you're not British, get the fuck out of here.


  • sockdevs

    @blakeyrat said:

    Why do they need sales?!

    If they aren't able to compete against the commercial news outlets, then they risk having the license fee reduced, which means less money to do things, which means they can't compete, which means the license fee is reduced... repeat until dead.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    But isn't the BBC funded by moron taxes that no sane person should stand for? Why do they need sales?!

    To make even more money?

    @blakeyrat said:

    Also you're not British, get the fuck out of here.

    I'm more blood-related to British working class than most native citizens, so fuck off.



  • See, I'm not British, but ISN'T THAT A DESIREABLE THING?! Why the fuck is the government funding TV?

    Plus all the best British shows, like Space: 1999 were on independent stations.



  • @Gaska said:

    I'm more blood-related to British working class than most native citizens, so fuck off.

    Native to what? What the fuck are you talking about?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Why the fuck is the government funding TV?

    So they can make money?

    Seriously. Socialism isn't a hard concept to grasp.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Native to what?

    Native to the land.

    @blakeyrat said:

    What the fuck are you talking about?

    About UK. What else could I talk about in a topic about UK?


  • sockdevs

    @blakeyrat said:

    Why the fuck is the government funding TV?

    They're not; not one penny of tax collected by HMRC goes to the BBC. The TV License is a separate thing entirely; the money is collected by the BBC directly.



  • @RaceProUK said:

    The TV License is a separate thing entirely;

    Enforced by force of law...

    OH WAIT THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF "TAX". Of course this is coming from the country of morons who thinks healthcare is "free" if it's tax-funded.

    Either that, or you're saying the BBC is some kind of mafia/protection racket. "Sure would be a shame if something happened to that shiny new television..." Which would be AWESOME, but unfortunately is not true.


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