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  • Scientist says researchers in immigrant-friendly nations can't use his software

    [quote=Gangolf Jobb]I am no longer willing to support with my work the political system in Europe and Germany, of which the science system is part. There is no genuine democracy, and I disagree with almost all of the policies. In particular, I disagree with immigration policy. Immigration to my country harms me, it harms my family, it harms my people. Whoever invites or welcomes immigrants to Europe and Germany is my enemy. Immigration is the huge corporations' interest, not peoples' interest. I am not against helping refugees, but they would have to be kept strictly separated from us Europeans, for some limited time only until they return home, and not being integrated here as cheap workers and additional consumers. Immigration unnecessarily defers the collapse of capitalism, its final crisis. The earlier the system crashes, the more damage can be avoided. Possibly a civil war in Europe. Not to mention the loss of our European genetic and cultural heritage.[/quote]

    It's political incorrectness gone mad!

    Via metafilter


  • sockdevs

    He's a xenophobic fuckwit; screw him



  • why didn't he just publish it under gnu!



  • Because he's a Marxist?

    [quote=Gangolf Jobb]This is all in accordance with the license agreement stated in the TREEFINDER manual since the earliest versions, which reserves me the right to change the license agreement at any time. I can do this because Treefinder is my own property.[/quote]

    Or perhaps not.



  • @flabdablet said:

    Because he's a Marxist?

    [quote=Gangolf Jobb]This is all in accordance with the license agreement stated in the TREEFINDER manual since the earliest versions, which reserves me the right to change the license agreement at any time. I can do this because Treefinder is my own property.

    Or perhaps not.
    [/quote]
    This post prompted me to think of a poster I saw in Oxford (England) some years back.

    It was advertising an event in London, and the theme can be summed up as:

    "Come to the Marxism Today[sic] event! Call the credit card hotline today!"

    :no_mouth:


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    @flabdablet said:

    Europe and Germany

    @flabdablet said:

    Europe and Germany

    Europe and Germany? Last time I checked Germany was in Europe (geographically) and a member of EU. What the...

    Oh damn it, it escaped again! Ok, I'll get the sausages and beer as bait, someone bring a net...



  • I wonder how it would go down in court if people used it anyway, since the latest version of his software is from 2011. Its license says:

    This license agreement is valid until the next software release. Afterwards, the license of the
    latest TREEFINDER version applies.

    http://www.treefinder.de/tf-march2011-manual.pdf (Page 80)


  • sockdevs

    @Onyx said:

    Germany was in Europe (geographically)

    Almost exactly in the centre in fact

    @Onyx said:

    and a member of EU

    A founding member, no less


  • area_deu

    @RaceProUK said:

    Almost exactly in the centre in fact

    NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY!



  • It sure is the gravitational center considering the european power spread.


  • sockdevs

    @aliceif said:

    @RaceProUK said:
    Almost exactly in the centre in fact

    NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY!

    Close enough :P

    Anyway, it is the centre of the EU:



  • So this guy you disagree with, but that "hilarious" racist video of migrants goes directly in Funny Stuff?

    Make up your damned mind.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    that "hilarious" racist video of migrants

    ?



  • ?????????????????????????

    Thanks for the useful and informative post. Here's one back at you.

    I love getting notifications for "?".



  • I have no idea wtf you are talking about. I don't recall posting anything about migrants in Funny Stuff. Was I drunk? Are you?



  • Never mind, I just found it. :wtf:


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand



  • Is no one going to comment on the name?

    ...

    Gandalf Jobs - the wizard of computer industry assholery!



  • Guys, we NEED his software. Can we please murder and burn all the immigrants so we can get software back? Otherwise all we have left is Discourse and, well...



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    That was Gąska

    Except I'm very happy so many immigrants came to Germany. Not only for geopolitical reasons, but also for comedic effect of keeping non-Germans in former(?) concentration camps.



  • @flabdablet said:

    It's political incorrectness gone mad!

    He's not that bad. He's got the line down regarding Americans:

    Starting from 1st February 2015, I do no longer permit the usage of my TREEFINDER software in the USA. For all other countries, the old license agreement remains valid.

    This is in accordance with the license agreement stated in the TREEFINDER manual since the earliest versions, which reserves me the right to change the license agreement at any time.

    My reasons:

    (1) I want to protest against American imperialism, which I regard as the cause of most of all evil in the world: wars, tyranny, poverty, migration.

    (2) I want to protest against EU tyranny, which is mostly the result of US imperialism.

    (3) I want to demonstrate my sovereignty, something I would welcome to see much more often in science and politics.

    In particular, I dislike that the USA and the EU aggressively promote a way of life that conflicts with my own way of life. I dislike the flood of immigrants they caused to come here - come here to replace unprofitable Europeans like me.

    After so many years of hard work on TREEFINDER, I have still not been paid any reward.

    I want to stress that this license change is not against my colleagues in the USA, but against a small rich elite there that misuses the country's power to rule the world.

    The USA is our worst enemy. I have collected many links to background information, including some in English language, here.

    But then:

    ...with web skillz like that, we should all want to be his enemy. Did I mention his site is securely mediated?


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    @boomzilla said:

    (3) I want to demonstrate my sovereignty, something I would welcome to see much more often in science and politics.

    Yup, great scientist there. Fuck advancing the sum total of human knowledge, I have a political statement to make!



  • @Onyx said:

    Fuck advancing the sum total of human knowledge, I have a political statement to make!

    Mumble mumble, Jüdische Physik mumble..



  • Science and politics are always connected. See: GMO, global warming, crude oil reserves, whether homosexuality is a disease, in medieval times - Earth's shape and position in the universe, and so on and so on.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    I wonder how he would feel to learn that his use of his tin-foil-hat violates the license agreement of the USTFHCTB


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    @Gaska said:

    in medieval times - Earth's shape

    Nope, no one had a problem with the shape. Position, yes, but the "belief in flat Earth in middle ages" thing is a myth.



  • It's just thirty short years until tin foil hat becomes public domain.



  • @Onyx said:

    Nope, no one had a problem with the shape.

    History teachers disagree with you. Again, politics.



  • Portable Tent Platform
    A less scientific invention. But helps to avoid paying money to rich land owners when traveling.



  • @boomzilla said:

    http://www.treefinder.de/ideas.html#7

    Portable Tent Platform
    A less scientific invention. But helps to avoid paying money to rich land owners when traveling.

    Status: rethinking my views on camping.



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    @Gaska said:

    History teachers disagree with you. Again, politics.

    If the teachers are wrong, that's on them. How about actual historians?



  • I'm a fan of open(-ish?) borders, but when you have a welfare state you have some serious reasons not to want them.

    @fbmac said:

    Immigration laws sound very unfair to me. eu and us have all this wealth from doing a huge part of intelectual work that benefits the entire globe, but would these countries function by itself? How much would an Android cost without cheap workers outside their borders? And having some privilege just for birthing in the right place is not very different from royalty. We have some kind of nobility and plebs people division here, not much different from a medieval monarchy.

    This sounds no less crazy to me than the scientist, though.



  • @Onyx said:

    If the teachers are wrong, that's on them. How about actual historians?

    Actual historians are just as politicized as wannabes. And even if they aren't, their sources are. Ever heard the saying "history is written by the victors"?



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  • @fbmac said:

    I am more directed towards people that complains about "immigrants destroying their countries", the entitlement is strong in these people.

    What's the entitlement? Why is someone entitled to go to another country? In other contexts, that gets called out as colonialism or cultural imperialism.



  • I'm all for opening borders for people who respect law. And I'm all for closing the borders for those who don't.



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    @Gaska said:

    Actual historians are just as politicized as wannabes. And even if they aren't, their sources are. Ever heard the saying "history is written by the victors"?

    Ah, tinfoil hat territory, gotcha.

    You do realize ancient Greeks thought the Earth was a sphere, and had damn near precise calculations of its circumference? And you do realize that Columbus didn't have a problem getting funding because everyone thought he'll fall of the edge, but because he had his own calculations that said that the circumference is much smaller by which account he expected to be able to reach India? He was wrong, but hitting upon the Americas saved his and his crew from dying at sea, because there's no way in hell they'd get to India otherwise.

    The issue at the time was geocentism vs. heliocentrism, not whether the Earth is round or not. You know, the thing that produced this madness in order to try and explain retrograde movement of the other planets in the Solar system?



  • There's a big difference between competing to make shoes and living next door and by the way I'm now paying for a lot of your expenses. Which is what tends to happen with massive migrations of poor and uneducated people and modern welfare states.



  • @Onyx said:

    Ah, tinfoil hat territory, gotcha.

    He's totally right about historians, though.



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    @boomzilla said:

    He's totally right about historians, though.

    On account of international politics? Highly likely. But on matters like this? What the hell would be the point even?



  • @fbmac said:

    Not mine, and I have no plans of moving anywhere

    That's OK. There are plenty more from where you aren't coming from.



  • @Onyx said:

    @boomzilla said:
    He's totally right about historians, though.

    On account of international politics? Highly likely. But on matters like this? What the hell would be the point even?

    In general. Biases big and small. I don't even know WTF you guys are arguing about but that seemed like a good point at which to jump in!


  • BINNED

    @boomzilla said:

    I don't even know WTF you guys are arguing about

    I corrected someone, seems they took it to heart. That's it, really.



  • But it's mostly politics appropriating some scientific issue.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    But it's mostly politics appropriating some scientific issue.

    A lot of people also assume that science should drive policy, ignoring all of the other factors that are important. And sometimes they mistake that for politicization.



  • The problem with society is we're in an inconsistent state. We claim we care about people, but we only REALLY care about the people near us, i.e. in our own country.

    When someone in your city is starving and can't find a job, we all agree (except some Americans I guess) that the government should provide some food and shelter to them, and there would probably be a shitstorm if we just let them die out. When someone in Africa is dying, we say "poor guy", and maybe donate a dollar to some NGO to feel better.

    So when a bunch of Middle Eastern people knock at your door, politicians can't just say "sorry I'd rather let you die out there", because we're all pretending that's not true, even though for the most part it is.



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