TIL, about economics (Beware of the whale boats)


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    @xaade said:

    That's because Texas is attracting liberals with its job offerings, which it earned with conservative economics.

    Don't worry, once they destroy the job economy, they'll move out again.


    I may view conservative and liberal social policies as incomplete because they both miss the point. But I definitely favor conservative economics, because it has a track record.

    Liberal economic policy is entirely informed by liberal social policy.

    Conservative economic policy has a track record for allowing obscene levels of corruption.



  • Any economic policy that has been implemented, has that track record.



  • @Fox said:

    Conservative economic policy has a track record for allowing obscene levels of corruption.

    And liberal economic policy has a track record for pointing that out while dusting its own corruption under a rug.

    Trust me, I've lived in Louisiana.

    Conservatives don't have a monopoly on corruption.


    The real situation is that both sides are laughing it all the way to the bank, while the idiots form sides and fight each other.


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    @Gribnit said:

    Any economic policy that has been implemented, has that track record.

    @Fox said:

    Conservative economic policy has a track record for allowing obscene levels of corruption.

    No, I can't think of a single instance in which "regulating irresponsible or immoral economic actions" has allowed obscene levels of corruption. Deregulating everything, on the other hand, always does that.



  • Nope, without regulation, there isn't anything to corrupt.



  • @Fox said:

    Deregulating everything, on the other hand, always does that.

    No the fault is using the idea that we have to regulate, to implement all the wrong regulations, and threaten people with corruption if you are inclined to point that out.


    "Never pass up a bad situation. It is an opportunity to do the wrong thing. When someone points out its wrong, then simply say that something had to be done."


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    @Gribnit said:

    Nope, without regulation, there isn't anything to corrupt.

    "Without laws, everything is legal"

    Total anarchy cannot function in a sufficiently large society.



  • Yeah so I am not sure why you think it's being suggested.


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    @xaade said:

    No the fault is using the idea that we have to regulate, to implement all the wrong regulations, and threaten people with corruption if you are inclined to point that out.

    And we're back to the "problems are a way of life, so don't bother trying to fix them" mindset.


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    @Gribnit said:

    Yeah so I am not sure why you think it's being suggested.

    Conservative economic policy is about as close to anarchy as you can get while still having a government at all.



  • @Fox said:

    Conservative economic policy has a track record for allowing obscene levels of corruption.

    That's just a feature of government. It's not really dependent on the ideology.



  • @Fox said:

    No, I can't think of a single instance in which "regulating irresponsible or immoral economic actions" has allowed obscene levels of corruption. Deregulating everything, on the other hand, always does that.

    Deregulation is the opposite of corruption. If the government isn't doing stuff, then what's to corrupt? It's when the government is doing stuff that you get most of the corruption. Either to do stuff to your competitors or don't do stuff to you or stuff for you.

    You may now commence to straw man what I said for an anti-anarcho-capitalist screed. :hanzo:



  • @Fox said:

    @Gribnit said:
    Yeah so I am not sure why you think it's being suggested.

    Conservative economic policy is about as close to anarchy as you can get while still having a government at all.

    Even if that were true (and it's clearly not), where's the corruption in that sort of situation? Are we redefining words again?


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    @boomzilla said:

    @Fox said:
    No, I can't think of a single instance in which "regulating irresponsible or immoral economic actions" has allowed obscene levels of corruption. Deregulating everything, on the other hand, always does that.

    Deregulation is the opposite of corruption. If the government isn't doing stuff, then what's to corrupt? It's when the government is doing stuff that you get most of the corruption. Either to do stuff to your competitors or don't do stuff to you or stuff for you.

    You may now commence to straw man what I said for an anti-anarcho-capitalist screed. :hanzo:

    The absence of political corruption is not the absence of all corruption. Prying every single cent out of every low-wage worker, forest, hillside, and ocean is hardly a sustainable plan of action, and it's definitely not what I would call good even if it were sustainable.



  • @Fox said:

    Also, I'd rather have a 0.000000001% chance of success than a 0% chance of success.

    Then you don't understand risk.

    @boomzilla said:

    Deregulation is the opposite of corruption. If the government isn't doing stuff, then what's to corrupt?

    "Hey, this one company did something really bad"

    "I agree, it was terrible. Let's make a committee and give them all the power needed to make sure it never happens again."

    1. How often did said bad thing happen? What's the risk level?
    2. What's the risk level of handing over enough power to ONE committee to make sure NO OTHER COMPANY does such a thing.

    Which has more room for corruption?

    A national committee with all powers?
    Or one company?


    The answer is:

    I don't know.

    That's why we do the risk analysis and find out.

    But what I do know is that risk analysis is in the domain of business, and thus politicians do not have the capacity to understand it. They don't operate with an understand of opportunity cost and risk, they only operate under the capacity of law..

    And by definition, law is always blindly doing something to solve the problem.



  • @Fox said:

    The absence of political business corruption is not the absence of all corruption.

    Same is true for the other side.

    If we stopped viewing them as enemies and more as cooperatives, maybe we'd be more likely to find sustainable solutions that prevents corruption from both sides.

    If the founding fathers thought that government was the solution to everything, they would not have made the system with checks and balances in place.



  • @Fox said:

    The absence of political corruption is not the absence of all corruption. Prying every single cent out of every low-wage worker, forest, hillside, and ocean is hardly a sustainable plan of action, and it's definitely not what I would call good even if it were sustainable.

    But where is the corruption?

    cor·rup·tion
    kəˈrəpSH(ə)n/
    noun

    dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.
    "the journalist who wants to expose corruption in high places"
    synonyms: dishonesty, unscrupulousness, double-dealing, fraud, fraudulence, misconduct, crime, criminality, wrongdoing; More

    the process by which something, typically a word or expression, is changed from its original use or meaning to one that is regarded as erroneous or debased.
    synonyms: alteration, bastardization, debasement, adulteration
    "these figures have been subject to corruption"


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    In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is the abuse of bestowed power or position to acquire a personal benefit. Corruption may include many activities including bribery and embezzlement.



  • @Fox said:

    >In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is the abuse of bestowed power or position to acquire a personal benefit. Corruption may include many activities including bribery and embezzlement.

    Yes. Still waiting...


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    @boomzilla said:

    @Fox said:
    >In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is the abuse of bestowed power or position to acquire a personal benefit. Corruption may include many activities including bribery and embezzlement.

    Yes. Still waiting...

    @Fox said:

    Prying every single cent out of every low-wage worker, forest, hillside, and ocean is hardly a sustainable plan of action, and it's definitely not what I would call good even if it were sustainable.

    Right there ^



  • @Fox said:

    @boomzilla said:
    @Fox said:
    >In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is the abuse of bestowed power or position to acquire a personal benefit. Corruption may include many activities including bribery and embezzlement.

    Yes. Still waiting...

    @Fox said:

    Prying every single cent out of every low-wage worker, forest, hillside, and ocean is hardly a sustainable plan of action, and it's definitely not what I would call good even if it were sustainable.

    Right there ^

    :facepalm: What makes any of that corruption? It seems like you've defined the term to be, "Stuff that @fox thinks is bad."


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    @boomzilla said:

    What makes any of that corruption? It seems like you've defined the term to be, "Stuff that @fox thinks is bad."

    @Fox said:
    Prying every single cent out ofAcquiring personal benefit through the abuse of power or position over every low-wage worker, forest, hillside, and ocean is hardly a sustainable plan of action, and it's definitely not what I would call good even if it were sustainable.

    FTFY



  • @Fox said:

    @boomzilla said:
    What makes any of that corruption? It seems like you've defined the term to be, "Stuff that @fox thinks is bad."

    @Fox said:
    Prying every single cent out ofAcquiring personal benefit through the abuse of power or position over every low-wage worker, forest, hillside, and ocean is hardly a sustainable plan of action, and it's definitely not what I would call good even if it were sustainable.

    FTFY

    What's that power that's being abused, now?


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    @boomzilla said:

    What's that power that's being abused, now?

    Employment, land ownership, owning a boat, etc.



  • @Fox said:

    @boomzilla said:
    What's that power that's being abused, now?

    Employment, land ownership, owning a boat, etc.

    :rolleyes: @flabdablet, you might as well resume with the videos.



  • @boomzilla said:

    owning a boat

    But yeah, boat owners are totally wrong to own boats, they're a huge waste of money that could be better spent educating the youth.



  • @Gribnit said:

    boat owners are totally wrong to own boats

    What about amphicars? Or cars being turned into boats?



  • @boomzilla said:

    you might as well resume with the videos.

    Now, now. Don't throw a tantrum.


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    @Gribnit said:

    @boomzilla said:
    owning a boat

    But yeah, boat owners are totally wrong to own boats, they're a huge waste of money that could be better spent educating the youth.

    Owning a boat isn't a problem. Using that boat to abuse the environment, however, is.



  • That is entirely up to the conveyance in question, I suppose. It would be nice to have some sort of triage list to know when to start cutting and welding - but, sadly, that would deprive the conveyance of the right to immediate reengineering.



  • @Fox said:

    Owning a boat isn't a problem. Using that boat to abuse the environment, however, is.

    You've enlarged the concept of corruption to be particularly meaningless. But I'm curious as to how one abuses the environment with a boat? And how "conservative economic policies" allow this sort of thing.


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    @boomzilla said:

    @Fox said:
    Owning a boat isn't a problem. Using that boat to abuse the environment, however, is.

    You've enlarged the concept of corruption to be particularly meaningless. But I'm curious as to how one abuses the environment with a boat? And how "conservative economic policies" allow this sort of thing.



  • Those poor slashed up manatees! And some people fish from boats, or transport yucky things using them.




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    @Gribnit said:

    http://bfy.tw/34XC

    The page you were looking for doesn't exist.
    You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.

    If you are the application owner check the logs for more information.
    

    @Gribnit said:

    http://bfy.tw/10AG

    And?



  • @Fox said:

    @boomzilla said:
    @Fox said:
    Owning a boat isn't a problem. Using that boat to abuse the environment, however, is.

    You've enlarged the concept of corruption to be particularly meaningless. But I'm curious as to how one abuses the environment with a boat? And how "conservative economic policies" allow this sort of thing.

    Hyeah, right. I'm not following a link that looks like that. Look, if you don't want to answer, just say so.



  • Go fuck yourself with your links without context, is what. If you can't take the time - neither should anyone else be expected to.


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    It's a "why are you asking me when you could just google it" button. When someone asks me a question as simple as "What sort of corruption happens when corporations aren't regulated by government", I'm not inclined to bother with any lengthy explanation when the answer is abundantly obvious, especially when the person asking has a history of responding to my lengthy explanations with "nice straw man fallacy" or "that's a non sequitur" without bothering to think about how it actually does make sense and is a valid argument.


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    @Fox said:

    http://bfy.tw/21JQ

    Hey, I have friends who own boats. I never knew that all people who own boats hunt whales. I should go with them next time.



  • That doesn't mean you get to use LMGTFY to preempt assholing with assholing.



  • @Fox said:

    What sort of corruption happens when corporations aren't regulated by government

    Bad things happen. None of them are corruption. It may have been a trick question.


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    When the fuck did I say that all people who own boats abuse their boat ownership for personal gain?



  • Use of a boat for personal gain is supposed to be corruption?

    What do you have against boats and boat owners? Did a boat do something bad to you?


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    @Gribnit said:

    @Fox said:
    What sort of corruption happens when corporations aren't regulated by government

    Bad things happen. None of them are corruption. It may have been a trick question.

    @Gribnit said:

    ABUse of a boat for personal gain is supposed to be corruption?

    In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is the abuse of bestowed power or position to acquire a personal benefit.



  • You didn't, but you do have a pattern of using edge-cases to justify absurd solutions.

    Mr. "I won't mention I'm trans to that guy that murders trans, so I can have the opportunity to fuck him instead."



  • @Fox said:

    In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is the abuse of bestowed power or position to acquire a personal benefit.

    You still haven't supplied your cite source for that definition you've decided everyone accepts. Who gave them the boat? What if they stole the boat?


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    @xaade said:

    You didn't, but you do have a pattern of using edge-cases to justify absurd solutions.

    How the fuck is "banning people from hunting whales" because "people hunt whales" an "edge-case to justify absurd solutions"


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  • @Fox said:

    banning people from hunting whalesstigmatizing boat ownership<!-- I am trans spelling -->

    :moving_goal_post:


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