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  • Microsoft build a Linux distro and use it to power Azure's networking

    In other news, @blakeyrat commit seppuku. News at 11



  • Why would I care?



  • It says "commit", not "commits".



  • @TimeBandit said:

    @blakeyrat commit seppuku.

    To be fair, if anything, it would be those (at microsoft) responsible for this to be "encouraged" to commit seppuku



  • Of all the complaints you can make about this persona, have you ever seen it be a grammar nazi?



  • Because you have stated multiple times that Linux is complete crap, and everything OpenSource is a piece of shit.

    Windows gives such good performance, why didn't they use that ?
    After all, they have access to the source, they could tweak it for that.

    How can MS decide to use that piece of shit ?



  • I see whose voice you're speaking with here.. however, still, have you got mouthwash strong enough?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    have you ever seen it be a grammar nazi?

    Yes, you often read things way too literally instead of interpreting typos at a reasonable reading level.



  • @Gribnit said:

    have you got mouthwash strong enough?

    Yes


  • kills Dumbledore

    @boomzilla said:

    Yes, you often read things way too literally instead of interpreting typos at a reasonable reading level.

    Gibberish!



  • @TimeBandit said:

    Because you have stated multiple times that Linux is complete crap, and everything OpenSource is a piece of shit.

    Windows gives such good performance, why didn't they use that ?
    After all, they have access to the source, they could tweak it for that.

    How can MS decide to use that piece of shit ?

    You dragging up this bullshit again. Can we all agree Linux has a place but that place isn't the desktop market. Opensource is a valuable part of the market but not a silver bullet. Now lets draw a line under this and move the fuck on.



  • @DogsB said:

    Can we all agree Linux has a place

    No, blakeyrat would disagree
    @DogsB said:
    but that place isn't the desktop market.

    Why ? There is a lot of people (including me) using it on the desktop.
    @DogsB said:
    Opensource is a valuable part of the market but not a silver bullet.

    I agree, but there is at least one person here who would disagree



  • @TimeBandit said:

    No, blakeyrat would disagree

    Well, that's his opinion, and I'm sure he has stuff to back it up, and while I personally don't like linux, its ideology or its architecture, it still is better at fitting niche roles than a windows server. Microsoft is trying to fix this by creating new versions of server, for example for very tiny systems.

    @TimeBandit said:

    Why ? There is a lot of people (including me) using it on the desktop

    John Q. Public will never embrace it, no matter how free it is, because to them, windows is free as well, meanwhile linux looks different and different is bad



  • @TimeBandit said:

    No, blakeyrat would disagree

    @TimeBandit said:

    I agree, but there is at least one person here who would disagree

    Jesus, what's up with you and Blakey? You two have some shameful college history?

    @mrguyorama said:

    John Q. Public will never embrace it, no matter how free it is, because to them, windows is free as well, meanwhile linux looks different and different is bad

    Or because little Johnny wants nothing to do with magic black windows with text. Johnny wants to use his GUI tools from start to finish, and if there's any problem with the computer he'll just download a magic tool that he can install and make all his problems go away.

    And on Linux, GUI is absolutely a second-class citizen, and fixing anything involves a series of ritual incantations to the sound of dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdb and a virgin sacrifice.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    Or because little Johnny

    Are you kidding? Every little johnny wants to be a script kiddie. Being able to "ls -l" makes him so much better than his friends.

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    And on Linux, GUI is absolutely a second-class citizen, and fixing anything involves a series of ritual incantations to the sound of dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdb and a virgin sacrifice.

    This, I hate this. I once ran an ubuntu virtual machine as an os dev environment for a class, I spent vastly more time fixing stupid problems that cropped up seemingly at random than doing work with it.



  • @TimeBandit said:

    but that place isn't the desktop market.

    Why ? There is a lot of people (including me) using it on the desktop.

    You and your "lot" of people are barely 5% of the market if that.
    According to this https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 you're practically a fucking rounding error.

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Jesus, what's up with you and Blakey? You two have some shameful college history?
    narcissist codependent marriage comes to mind.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    Or because little Johnny wants nothing to do with magic black windows with text. Johnny wants to use his GUI tools from start to finish, and if there's any problem with the computer he'll just download a magic tool that he can install and make all his problems go away.

    I see you didn't use Linux in the last 10 years.
    Case in point : Disable Caps Lock (because who the fuck use this key, except by accident)
    Windows :

    • List item
    • Open regedit (as administrator)
    • Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout
    • Right click on "Scancode Map" -> Edit
    • paste this hexadecimal value : 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,00,00,3a,00,00,00,00,00
    • Save
    • Reboot (of course)

    Linux (at least with KDE) :

    • Click on K menu -> Settings -> System Settings -> Input Devices
    • Click "Advanced" tab
    • Expand "Caps Lock key behavior"
    • Select what behavior you want
    • Click Apply (no reboot needed)

    Screenshot :

    I guess you are right : Linux is too difficult



  • @TimeBandit said:

    Case in point : Disable Caps Lock (because who the fuck use this key, except by accident)

    I DO MOTHERFUCKER. I imagine blakey does, too, but who knows with that guy?



  • @TimeBandit said:

    Case in point : Disable Caps Lock (because who the fuck use this key would want to do that, except by accident)

    post can't be FUCK YOU DICKSAUSE



  • @TimeBandit said:

    Disable Caps Lock (because who the fuck use this key, except by accident)Windows :

    List item
    Open regedit (as administrator)
    Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout
    Right click on "Scancode Map" -> Edit
    paste this hexadecimal value : 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,00,00,3a,00,00,00,00,00
    Save
    Reboot (of course)

    Or...

    You could just click the slider.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    You could just click the slider.

    And that's new from which version of Windows ?

    About fuckin time !



  • @TimeBandit said:

    And that's new from which version of Windows ?

    Oh, no apologies for the blatant lies? Fuck you.

    @TimeBandit said:

    About fuckin time !

    It looked different in various Windows versions, but that control panel's always been there. I know I used it in XP.



  • @TimeBandit said:

    Case in point

    Which "lot" of people do you reckon is smaller -- those who use Linux on the desktop or those who care about disabling Caps Lock in Windows?



  • @TimeBandit said:

    Case in point : Disable Caps Lock (because who the fuck use this key, except by accident)

    Oh, congratulations, you found an obscure setting that KDE exposes and Windows doesn't.

    How about something more useful - say, restarting a network interface because the card shat itself and you're on a desktop, so no Fn combo for you?

    Windows: Start button, start typing "View network connections" (or just find it traditionally), right-click the desired interface, disable, right-click, enable.

    Linux... apparently has a gajillion of methods, most of which also crash your window manager.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    It looked different in various Windows versions, but that control panel's always been there. I know I used it in XP.

    Must be your MS keyboard driver.
    Unless you have proof, FUCK YOU ! (see, no Caps Lock needed)



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    WindowsLinux: Start button, start typing "View network connections" (or just find it traditionally), right-click the desired interface, disable, right-click, enable.

    Pretty much that.

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Linux... apparently has a gajillion of methods, most of which also crash your window manager.

    Not my window manager. undefined



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    Linux... apparently has a gajillion of methods, most of which also crash your window manager

    Like I said, you didn't use Linux in the last 10 years.
    See boomzilla's answer


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    Careful bz, your personas are leaking


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    Update borked my system bad enough to need a reformat and reinstall. Windows hasn't managed to fuck up that badly (yet...)



  • Well, that's what I found on Ask Ubuntu. Which was my first Google hit.

    Of course, I could scour further and probably find the setting somewhere on the fifth page of Google results... but by John Q. Public's logic, you've already lost.



  • @sloosecannon said:

    Careful bz, your personas are leaking

    undefined Someone throw me a towel, quick!

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Well, that's what I found on Ask Ubuntu. Which was my first Google hit.

    CLI answers are great for web forums because they're succinct and for stuff like that typically don't depend on which desktop / window manager / etc you're using. I've used most of those, too, and they've never crashed my WM. One time Windows ate my dog, though. YMMV



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    Well, that's what I found on Ask Ubuntu. Which was my first Google hit.

    Of course, I could scour further and probably find the setting somewhere on the fifth page of Google results... but by John Q. Public's logic, you've already lost.

    Don't lie. There's is only one page of google results and everything beyond that is irrelvant.



  • For reference:

    Feel free to ask if that seems too complicated or something. There are wireless networks listed down below, but I don't want you scoundrels knowing my SSID.



  • @boomzilla said:

    knowing my SSID

    "You kids get off my LAN"



  • @boomzilla said:

    For reference:

    Then why the fuck is there only one, and not very highly voted, answer that maybe very vaguely suggests that, and a myriad of arcane terminal commands?

    Do Linux users just hate everybody? I mean, that must be the reason. There's no way the noob would remember which magic string did what, but they would remember and understand "click on the Network Manager icon and click Disconnect".

    In fact, almost all the answers suggest ifconfig eth0 down/up is the only way that would work.



  • It also list your VPNs, right there in the same interface.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    Then why the fuck is there only one, and not very highly voted, answer that maybe very vaguely suggests that, and a myriad of arcane terminal commands?

    Maybe for similar reasons to why other StackExchange stuff sucks? I've never been registered there so I couldn't say.

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Do Linux users just hate everybody? I mean, that must be the reason. There's no way the noob would remember which magic string did what, but they would remember and understand "click on the Network Manager icon and click Disconnect".

    I can't say what those guys were thinking. Probably trolling you.

    Oh, looks like there was a bug that would kill unity (linked by one of those answers):

    I just hate other people, not myself, so I use KDE.

    @TimeBandit said:

    It also list your VPNs, right there in the same interface.

    Not my VPNs, but then I'm using a Juniper POS, so...



  • Because Linux is about choices.
    There is a lot of different Window Manager. You choose the one you like.
    You can even install multiple WM and choose the one you want on login.

    Unlike Windows where Metro/Modern is shoved down your throat.



  • @TimeBandit said:

    It also list your VPNs, right there in the same interface.
    Of no fucking use to 90% of the desktop userbase.

    @TimeBandit said:

    Because Linux is about choices.There is a lot of different Window Manager. You choose the one you like.You can even install multiple WM and choose the one you want on login.

    Unlike Windows where Metro/Modern is shoved down your throat.

    More realistically linux is pissing contest between mulitple window managers which are all shit compared to Windows and Apple

    Also that Metro arguement is a falicy. There are plenty window managers to choice from. Linux users are all about choice aren't they?



  • @TimeBandit said:

    There is a lot of different Window Manager. You choose the one you like.

    Which means that if you chose wrong, 90% of the things on the Internet are not applicable to your setup.

    @TimeBandit said:

    Unlike Windows where Metro/Modern is shoved down your throat.

    Um, no. You boot to desktop, you can use the desktop exactly like in Windows 7, and there are even tools to bring the Start menu back if you're a luddite.

    Have you people never fucking used Windows 8.1?

    Am I the only one? I must be, because all that talk about Microsoft forcing Metro down users' throats is just as far from reality as it could be. I see the Metro interface for like, three minutes in a day in total, because all my things are either on the desktop or I can just Win/Ctrl+Esc and type what I want.



  • @DogsB said:

    More realistically linux is pissing contest between mulitple window managers which are all shit compared to Windows and Apple

    You got that backwards, I think.

    @DogsB said:

    Also that Metro arguement is a falicy.

    Yeah, but what about:

    @DogsB said:

    Of no fucking use to 90% of the desktop userbase.



  • @DogsB said:

    Of no fucking use to 90% of the desktop userbase.

    It only slightly change that interface IF you add a VPN, so 90% of the desktop userbase won't be bothered by it.



  • @boomzilla said:

    More realistically linux is pissing contest between mulitple window managers which are all shit compared to Windows and Apple

    You got that backwards, I think.

    You're right. Apple and Windows is a pissing contest. Linux window managers are more a case of "I hate this software for some abriturary reason I'm going to fork and create my own window manager with hookers. And blackjack."
    Breaking up a community in the process and both of them are still equally shit. Who the fuck spends time admiring their window manager.

    I'll concede the rest of your point.

    @TimeBandit said:

    It only slightly change that interface IF you add a VPN, so 90% of the desktop userbase won't be bothered by it.



  • @DogsB said:

    @DogsB said:

    Of no fucking use to 90% of the desktop userbase.

    😉



  • @DogsB said:

    Breaking up a community in the process and both of them are still equally shit. Who the fuck spends time admiring their window manager.

    Honestly, I haven't had to use a Mac in a long long time. I'm annoyed by Windows every time I use it, and then I admire KWin once I'm back in baby's arms.

    Patsy Cline - Back In Baby's Arms – 02:05
    — REBEL SONGBIRD



  • @TimeBandit said:

    @DogsB said:

    @DogsB said:

    Of no fucking use to 90% of the desktop userbase.

    😉

    @TimeBandit said:
    It also list your VPNs, right there in the same interface.
    🙂


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Then why the fuck is there only one, and not very highly voted, answer that maybe very vaguely suggests that, and a myriad of arcane terminal commands?

    It's stackexchange. Easy answers that sound good and fit the hivemind get all the upvotes. Well-researched answers that provide the best solution only get upvotes from the few who have also done the research. Karmawhoring is easier and more rewarding than doing actual research.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    Do Linux users just hate everybody?

    No, just us Windows users who refuse to convert.
    Bonus for this forum: AND I program in C++!



  • @blakeyrat said:

    It looked different in various Windows versions, but that control panel's always been there. I know I used it in XP.

    You mean the Microsoft keyboard control panel? Please point me to where I can find it in Microsoft Windows with a standard USB keyboard because I shouldn't need to buy specialized hardware to access this functionality.



  • You can use this quote to answer him :
    @blakeyrat said:

    Oh, no apologies for the blatant lies? Fuck you.


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