Game Controlers



  • @TimeBandit said:

    This only show your brother is better than you at aiming.

    Ok?

    I suck at video games, anybody who's watched my YouTube channels knows that.


  • Considered Harmful

    So it doesn't show anything that actually indicates anything about trackballs. Which are fine.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    That's odd. I thought USB3 was 100% backwards compatible for most stuff, only stuff that actually made-use of the high-speed (like USB3 hubs and portable HDs) needed the weird-o plugs on the "B" end.

    It's not the USB 3.0 port and it's not the PS3 Dual Shock 3 controller.

    It's almost certainly Windows, that's to blame. Specifically: something that Microsoft themselves changed in Windows 8.1 with regards to enhanced power management on USB devices.

    The DS3 controller needs to be in the charge state to register as connected via the wired connection, or otherwise it will try to connect via Bluetooth (which obviously will fail), but Microsoft's enhanced power management prevents (some models of) the controller from going into the charge state upon connection: a condition affecting multiple Sony peripherals.

    You can get updated driver files for affected Sony devices from Windows Update, but the DS3 controller is not listed, because (iirc) Sony officially doesn't support using it on Windows to begin with. So you have to manually hack the registry (or create your own updated INF files and reinstall the driver you're using...)

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/usbcoreblog/archive/2013/11/08/help-after-installing-windows-8-1-my-usb-device-doesn-t-charge-or-it-disconnects-and-reconnects-frequently.aspx



  • @Gribnit said:

    I have nothing but respect for the trackball and it is indeed, in some ways, higher performing than the mouse - especially in a "track this randomly moving dot" sort of way.

    I'd love to try a trackball, but they seem to suffer from the same problem mice have, but more so — ergonomic and ambidextrous seem to be non-overlapping sets. There are ambidextrous trackballs that claim to be ergonomic, but they don't appear to actually support the hand/wrist at a correct angle, and typical computer stores have a much smaller selection of trackballs to try to find a comfortable one.

    I suck at "track this randomly moving dot." I can aim reasonably well in a stealth attack on a stationary sentry, but trying to protect an ally who's being chased by enemies, I wind up killing my own guy almost as often as the enemies do.



  • @swayde said:

    Currently my unemployment benefits are roughly 650 usd per week,

    That's 16.25 an hour.
    I mean, it would suck if you had the expenses of a person who was earning 100k a year, but you're earning double than a burger flipper.

    @swayde said:

    The one i'm paying 50% income tax and 25% salex tax for

    @swayde said:

    which isn't fantastic

    That's what's bad about welfare systems. They are entitlements, and not charity. It's easy to bitch about an entitlement "not being enough". Takes humility to accept help from charity. And you're more likely to use it responsibly too.


    But hey, you guys are the enlightened ones, so you tell me.

    @blakeyrat said:

    you'll never see again as it goes to drug-taking losers.

    This is the one black horse among all blakey's other opinions

    It's ironically funny.

    It's all tied together blakey, one is leading to the other.



  • @Ragnax said:

    The DS3 controller needs to be in the charge state to register as connected via the wired connection

    @Ragnax said:

    It's almost certainly Windows, that's to blame

    Funny how that is window's fault.

    It's most certainly Sony's fault that a controller designed to be used primarily with their console, doesn't operate in a manner similar to pc controllers, because when it falls back on Bluetooth, it's bluetooth assumes a playstation console device is the connecting system.

    That's not window's fault.



  • @xaade said:

    This is the one black horse among all blakey's other opinions

    ???

    What does that mean? Did you mean "black swan?"

    Also you're ignoring the possibility that it's not a belief, it's simply a joke.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Also you're ignoring the possibility that it's ... simply a joke.

    You discovered jokes?



  • @xaade said:

    It's most certainly Sony's fault that a controller designed to be used primarily with their console, doesn't operate in a manner similar to pc controllers, because when it falls back on Bluetooth, it's bluetooth assumes a playstation console device is the connecting system.

    It would be Microsoft's fault to make non-standardized addition to USB that shit up the functioning of otherwise compliant devices by messing with the charging state, don't you think?

    Well; that's apparantly what 'enhanced power management' is; non-standard. And there are quite a few legacy USB devices that are incompatible with it as well.



  • Then both are at fault.

    Because DS3, if it wants to be compatible with PC, shouldn't default in PS3 as a bluetooth device.

    But of course, Sony doesn't give a shit if DS3 works on PC.

    So there you have it.

    Neither side gives a shit.

    And thus, fault doesn't matter.



  • @xaade said:

    You discovered jokes?

    Sure, long ago. It's just that his sense of humor is not necessarily the same as other people's. Of course, being Blakey, he refuses to admit the possibility that anyone might have a legitimate disagreement; anybody who doesn't find his jokes funny has no sense of humor.



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    Of course, being Blakey, he refuses to admit the possibility that anyone might have a legitimate disagreement; anybody who doesn't find his jokes funny has no sense of humor.

    That's the biggest joke of all.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @HardwareGeek said:

    I'm not quite sure what you're saying, but I assure you nobody wants to see me engaged in Rule 34-ish activities.

    The second half of that sentence indicates you are sure what I was saying. I'm not saying there's any particular market for porn involving you, but Rule 34 says "there's porn of it" for any given value of "it".


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @xaade said:

    You discovered jokes?

    Quite some time ago.

    Well, he thinks they're jokes. Because he doesn't understand human humor.



  • @FrostCat said:

    he doesn't understand human humor.

    FTFY



  • @FrostCat said:

    I'm not saying there's any particular market

    But if there is no market, nobody will pay, and it's not really a job.



  • For connecting weird controllers to a PC and having them work when the developers of some game are idiots, I can only suggest Keypadder. I haven't used it in a while, and you really ought to pay the guy to use it, but it works really well.

    For buying controllers that aren't 100% awful, I echo 360 for most cases. However, if you aren't playing games that require a 3D camera, I can only suggest this:

    They have the best D-pad I've seen in years. If you don't know why that's important, you don't know anything about gaming anyway, so you will therefore not be worth replying to if you make this obvious.



  • @xaade said:

    Then both are at fault.

    Because DS3, if it wants to be compatible with PC, shouldn't default in PS3 as a bluetooth device.

    But of course, Sony doesn't give a shit if DS3 works on PC.

    So there you have it.

    Neither side gives a shit.

    And thus, fault doesn't matter.

    The hardware was designed by Sony and Sony elected to not write drivers for Windows. Where is Microsoft's fault for DS3's lack of WIndows compatibility?



  • @abarker said:

    Where is Microsoft's fault

    I guess (allegedly) in the post @xaade was replying to; it's certainly not in that post. I don't remember what that post said, and don't care enough to find out. I'm about to quit messing about here and play a game, anyway.



  • @Magus said:

    They have the best D-pad I've seen in years. If you don't know why that's important, you don't know anything about gaming anyway, so you will therefore not be worth replying to if you make this obvious.

    Oh SNAP!



  • @Magus said:

    They have the best D-pad I've seen in years.

    I haven't managed to be successful playing a 2d game with a joystick.


  • kills Dumbledore

    @Magus said:

    They have the best D-pad I've seen in years

    My one complaint with the 360 controller is the shitty D pad. It loves detecting diagonals when you're trying to do a simple up/down/left/right press



  • @Jaloopa said:

    My one complaint with the 360 controller is the shitty D pad. It loves detecting diagonals when you're trying to do a simple up/down/left/right press

    This. Can't play fighting games properly on one of those. I have one and like it, but it isn't good at everything.



  • The silver 360 controller with the transforming d-pad is a bit better, and the Xbone d-pad is way better.



  • Thanks, but no cigar. It does not seem to change anything...
    It still works on my win 8.1 machine, even in usb 3 ports...



  • @Ragnax said:

    It's almost certainly Windows, that's to blame.

    @Ragnax said:

    Sony officially doesn't support using it on Windows to begin with.

    Okay, yeah, the first must be true, given the second.



  • @Magus said:

    Okay, yeah, the first must be true, given the second.

    The problem started when Microsoft changed the way power over USB works with enhanced power management, which the PS3 controller cannot accept at a hardware level. (It needs to get fed power over USB to switch into signal-over-USB mode, or it'll keep trying to communicate via Bluetooth.)

    That means Windows is to blame, as in; is the cause of the problem, where there were none before.

    While Microsoft had atleast the foresight to include a per-device switch for the behavior, they've been their typical dingus self in screwing it up by making it opt-out rather than opt-in. The fact that it's opt-out means that you now need updated device drivers to include the opt-out instruction.

    In this particular case, it's hard to get hold of a driver that does so, because the vendor itself doesn't officially support use of the controller on Windows. You have to use third-party drivers, some of which are of extremely dubious quality (:: cough :: MotionInJoy :: cough ::) and/or have been discontinued.

    Get it now?



  • @Ragnax said:

    The problem started when Microsoft changed the way power over USB works with enhanced power management, which the PS3 controller cannot accept at a hardware level.

    Is it also Microsoft's fault in OSX? I've had the DS3 work over USB a couple times, but most of the time it just sits there blinking like an idiot. Luckily, once you've got it working over bluetooth, it Just Works ™


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Mine's always worked over USB on Windows. Can't remember which driver it uses now though, I did change it at one point.



  • @Ragnax said:

    That means Windows is to blame, as in; is the cause of the problem, where there were none before.

    It's only in win 10 it's a problem. I've confirmed it works under 8.1. It doesn't even work under 10 with the ini changes, or the registry hacks. Nor when connected trough usb hubs. When it's on 8.1 there are 0 problems.

    Oh well, my 360 controllers got delivered today, and they work flawlessly. The ps3 controller is going in the drawer...


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