The unofficial poIling thread



  • Write polls! Vote in polls! Or don't! I'm a QR code, not a cop.

    Which OS would you use for...

    Desktop/Office

    [poll name="desktop/office"]

    • Windows
    • Macintosh
    • Debian
    • Red Hat
    • FreeBSD
    • NetBSD
    • OpenBSD
    • Plan9
      [/poll]

    Entertainment

    [poll name="entertainment"]

    • Windows
    • Macintosh
    • Debian
    • Red Hat
    • FreeBSD
    • NetBSD
    • OpenBSD
    • Plan9
      [/poll]

    Programming

    [poll name="programming"]

    • Windows
    • Macintosh
    • Debian
    • Red Hat
    • FreeBSD
    • NetBSD
    • OpenBSD
    • Plan9
      [/poll]

    Server

    [poll name="server"]

    • Windows
    • Macintosh
    • Debian
    • Red Hat
    • FreeBSD
    • NetBSD
    • OpenBSD
    • Plan9
      [/poll]

    Netbook

    [poll name="netbook"]

    • Windows
    • Macintosh
    • Debian
    • Red Hat
    • ChromeOS
    • FreeBSD
    • NetBSD
    • OpenBSD
    • Plan9
      [/poll]

    Phone

    [poll name="phone"]

    • Windows Phone
    • iOS
    • Android
    • Firefox OS
    • Symbian
    • Blackberry
    • Firefox
    • Tizen
      [/poll]


  • I only voted to see what would break. I'm still waiting.



  • Polls need to be open so we can see who voted for Mac.

    Name and Shame! Name and Shame!



  • Why is there no ChromeOS option for some of them? I'd use it at the office if I wasn't working as a programmer.


  • :belt_onion:

    I use Fedora for desktop/development, in the lack of a better option had to choose Red Hat.


  • :belt_onion:

    Would like to see if anyone selects Plan9 that would be :wtf: :)



  • I'm dissapoint: none of the polls contained an E_OS_NOT_FOUND option



  • Or Tizen ... but then we just have to call our @NeighborhoodButcher to correct that



  • There's also no Gentoo option. Because I forgot.

    Luckily, this is the unofficial poIling thread, so you can post your own poIls or whatever.

    [poll]

    • poIling
    • polling
      [/poll]


  • Polls should contain at least one E_ condition
    [poll]

    • E_YES
    • E_NO
      [/poll]


  • [poll]

    • E_E_NOT_FOUND
    • <script>

    [/poll]


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    E_SAILFISH_OS_NOT_FOUND
    descriptive text


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    E_CARING_NOT_FOUND

    I am now describing this post very verbosely. This post contains a joke. The joke is not funny as it is, but not using all caps would make it even worse than it is.

    I want to thank my mom, my manager, and especially Discourse for reminding me to stay civilized and never use all caps on the Internet, even when using all caps is not used to indicate a raised tone of voice.



  • @ben_lubar said:

    There's also no Gentoo option.

    Pity, I was looking for that. (Yes, that's what I run on my main desktop/office/programming machine.)



  • [poll name="Work"]

    • VMS (DEC not IBM)
    • A fantasy OS born of an unholy union between Unix and VMS
    • :manhole:
      [/poll]


  • What OS can be more entertaining than Plan 9?



  • I went with Debian for "Server" cos there was no Ubuntu - close enough, I guess.

    I'm astonished at the mass favouring of Android over ios for cell phones though - I guess that reflects the general (with all kindness intended) geekiness of most folks on here.
    Certainly in my building (which is probably ~5% software devs), Apple is far and away the anointed cell phone king.



  • I kinda wanted to but I didn't want to put the effort into making an entire ecosystem by myself.



  • I don't know any developers/engineers with an iphone. I don't know any non-developers/engineers without an iphone.



  • Test post, please ignore

    [poll name="Test"]

    • I like online polls
    • Hurr durr I'ma sheep
      [/poll]


  • [poll]

    • 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0
    • 10.0.0.0/8
      [/poll]

  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @cvi said:

    Pity, I was looking for that. (Yes, that's what I run on my main desktop/office/programming machine.)

    The Distros for Weirdos thread is :arrows:. Just kidding. Slackware isn't listed as an option either.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    E_NEEDS_MORE_OPTION

    You should've had one more polling option, so you could say "polling, polling, polling/keep those logs rolling"



  • I'm starting to migrate all my primary dev environments from Ubuntu to PC-BSD because Lennart, but my new laptop is still running VirtualBox on Win8.1, and I always need to have numerous VMs so I can ensure my code is actually portable.

    So I voted FreeBSD mostly.



  • @tar said:

    I'm starting to migrate all my primary dev environments from Ubuntu to PC-BSD because Lennart

    Has the systemd Borg given you any specific cause for grief, or is this just on general principles?



  • @skotl said:

    pple is far and away the anointed cell phone king.

    In the US.
    Last I checked android had like 74% marketshare globally.(of smartphones)



  • @flabdablet said:

    @tar said:
    I'm starting to migrate all my primary dev environments from Ubuntu to PC-BSD because Lennart

    Has the systemd Borg given you any specific cause for grief, or is this just on general principles?

    I suppose it could be considered principle... In all likeliness. It's really just an exercise in keeping my options open. I'll probably wait until 16.04 is available before I even testdrive a systemd system, and as long as it isn't utterly horrendous, I expect I'll still be willing to make use of it.
    But, uh, FreeBSD is a real Unix, dont'cha know? Having all your local config under /usr/local/etc/ kinda is a bit more logical than cramming everything all up into /etc. Also getting a KDE desktop at native resolution up on a VM was actually easier with PC-BSD than with it was with Ubuntu...



  • How good is *BSD hardware support these days? I think the main reason I'm sticking with Linux is that so much stuff just works out of the box. That, and Debian's package management and its huge and competently-curated package collection.



  • ERR_ARCH_NOT_FOUND <fuck you



  • Too much discussion, not enough polls!

    [poll type="multiple"]

    • RuneScape
    • World of Warcraft
    • Star Wars: The Old Republic
    • The Elder Scrolls Online
    • Guild Wars 2
    • VirtualPizz.biz
    • TERA
    • Rift
    • I pronounce MMORPG as if it were an acronym
      [/poll]


  • @flabdablet said:

    How good is *BSD hardware support these days?

    Yeah, probably not as good as Linux overall. I can only really speak for FreeBSD 9, which I got running on an old MacBook (couldn't get 10 to stick for some reason), and I did need to do some rc.rconf fiddling but I got most things working well enough, including screen brightness and ACPI (by default it wanted to run the cpu fan continuously at full speed at all times). I just got a moderately decent new laptop which I'm considering dewindowcizing (*cough* https://t3k4.com/th/19/putting-a-BSD-on-a-shiny-new-laptop#1 *cough*). I guess I should actually see what works if I boot from a pendrive...

    There's information out there such as https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.1R/hardware.html and https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops,and various subreddits devoted to each particular BSD. I think as a rule of thumb, the more "generic" your hardware is, the more likely you are to be successful.

    Filed under: The site is in read only mode. Interactions are disabled.



  • @flabdablet said:

    BSD hardware

    @tar said:

    not as good as Linux

    My brain connected these concepts.



  • @tar said:

    Also getting a KDE desktop at native resolution up on a VM was actually easier with PC-BSD than with it was with Ubuntu...

    Uh...what did you do that was difficult? I installed Kubuntu 14.04 and, um, BAM! FYI: using VMWare.



  • @boomzilla said:

    Uh...what did you do that was difficult?

    VirtualBox. I had to mount some kind of special virtual CD and run a "driver extensions" program from the console...

    Which isn't "difficult" per se, but compared to PC-BSD where I had to do nothing, all desktop resolutions already work...



  • @tar said:

    VirtualBox.

    I have neveremphasized text had a good VirtualBox experience. Most attempts did not even result in a bootable VM. Others degraded to that very quickly.

    @tar said:

    Which isn't "difficult" per se, but compared to PC-BSD where I had to do nothing, all desktop resolutions already work...

    Well, in VMWare you usually have to install their "tools" to get nice stuff like auto-resizing the window / desktop and mouse integration. That used to be kind of a pain sometimes, but I think it's gotten more automatic / less hassle, at least for supported guest OSes.



  • I haven't used VMWare since about 2003, but I read somewhere that if you want to run VM's with access to the host machines graphics hardware/drivers, you have to use VirtualBox, so seeing as one of my proposed use cases is testing portability of OpenGL code, I assumed that I'd have to use it. I know I did run into problems with virt-manager before I switched.
    I guess the host OS you're using could have some influence on the stability of the guests as well (my new VMs are only a few days old, but FWIW I haven't seen any issues with running Win8.1 under VBox on Ubuntu 14.04, not that I use that VM particularly often).

    Now I think about it, I think I did actually pay for a VMWare license at some point. I wonder if it's still valid...



  • @tar said:

    I haven't used VMWare since about 2003, but I read somewhere that if you want to run VM's with access to the host machines graphics hardware/drivers, you have to use VirtualBox, so seeing as one of my proposed use cases is testing portability of OpenGL code, I assumed that I'd have to use it. I know I did run into problems with virt-manager before I switched.

    I think that definitely used to be true. I know there's a check box now in the display settings for "accelerate 3D graphics" or something. I don't really care about that, so I'm not really sure how true that still is.

    @tar said:

    I guess the host OS you're using could have some influence on the stability of the guests as well (my new VMs are only a few days old, but FWIW I haven't seen any issues with running Win8.1 under VBox on Ubuntu 14.04, not that I use that VM particularly often).

    It's generally been running some sort of Linux guest on some sort of Linux host.



  • Please select all options that apply to your genitals

    [poll type="multiple"]

    • Statistically significant
    • Average-sized
    • Open-source
    • Proprietary
    • Vista-ready
    • FILE_NOT_FOUND
      [/poll]


  • Which character should I get world completion on next?

    [poll]


    • [/poll]
      Already done:

  • :belt_onion:

    Those percents should be aligned to the bottom, not to be mistaken by progress bar they are closest to.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I probably shouldn't ask but what does world completion consist of?



  • World completion requires completing all the following maps:

    Map completion is the act of visiting all points of interest, vistas, waypoints and completing all renown hearts and hero challenges within a given zone.

    Also, because Discourse won't let me edit posts with polls in them, and I done goof'd on the links,


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Ah, ok, so it's similar to the explorer achievement in WoW.




  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Sounds like it. I'm on mobile though, at the moment, or I would have provided WoWhead links. Each zone has a "found all PoI" achievement, then each continent had one for getting all the zones in that continent, and then there is "The Explorer"for getting all the continents. (Also, Fuck you, Swype, for twice putting in an apostrophe.)

    In WoW, you can use the title The Explorer after your name, after being the last achievement.

    Does GW2 have titles?



  • @FrostCat said:

    found all PoI

    In GW2, you also have to do the quests and some of the jumping puzzles.

    @FrostCat said:

    Does GW2 have titles?

    Yes. The title for world completion is "Been There, Done That" below your name. But even if you don't use the title, each character you get world completion on has a gold star next to their name permanently.



  • Dude, you have a charr and you don't play him? WTF is wrong with you.



  • Elder Scrolls Online has those too, two levels' worth: one for finding all points of interest in an area, and another for marking them all (except group dungeons I think) as "complete". Then there's another one for marking all the group dungeons as "complete", and (I believe) a third one for marking all the dolmens as "complete". "Complete" generally means you visited it, then killed whatever boss monster spawns there. Generally. Some quest areas don't have boss monsters. Some points of interest are just literally points of interest, and they are instantly complete as soon as you find them.

    They all unlock armor dye colors. I think the group dungeon one has a title associated with it also.



  • WoW has exploration, quest completion (main storylines), and random objectives as separate achievements. And treasures, but you only need 500 treasures at the highest tier while there are 600-700 or so.

    On the latest expansion, exploration + quests + treasures gives you flying.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ben_lubar said:

    In GW2, you also have to do the quests and some of the jumping puzzles.

    WoW has a different set of achievements for quests: http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=7520/the-loremaster


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