Lunix users can't even BE khajiit WTF



  • @TimeBandit said:

    This is not so true

    Continuing the discussion from Any program that can open a 1.87 GB XML document?:

    @TimeBandit said:

    This is not so true

    Note there are no Elder Scrolls games on that list. Wheras Xbox has 4, Playstation has 3, and Windows has like 7, and even Mac has one.

    Without Elder Scrolls games, there's no point. And I mean, "no point to living". Might as well seppuku right there.


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    You can run Arena in DosBox.



  • Since DOS is not Linux, I'm not sure why you bothered to post that. But yes, 1 Elder Scrolls game available in DOS. Maybe 2, I'm not sure if Daggerfall is Windows-native or DOS-in-Windows.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    I'm not sure if Daggerfall is Windows-native or DOS-in-Windows

    DOS

    All the newer ones work just fine in Wine. The only thing that I tried and doesn't is the Morrowind Overhaul mod.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Without Elder Scrolls games, there's no point. And I mean, "no point to living". Might as well seppuku right there.

    At least now we know why you keep using Windows


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    @blakey's fairly correct though - even now, Linux game support is pretty sucky. Granted this is more the fault of other parties than Linux devs, but Windows is the "king" of gaming still. Which is one of the reasons I generally stick with it at home...



  • @sloosecannon said:

    Granted this is more the fault of other parties than Linux devs,

    Bullshit.

    Linux is fucking hard to write games in. Drivers are worse and less stable than Windows. There's no DirectX-like API that nails the gaming use-case with a laser-focus, and instead they have to deal with the OpenGL crap.

    (Don't get me wrong-- OpenGL works pretty well, but it was originally designed for CAD, games were an afterthought. And their development process of allowing vendor-specific extensions to introduce new features is a compatibility nightmare for game developers-- you either stick to 5-year-old technology, or you write the same code 3 times to satisfy 3 different vendors' extensions.)

    The development tools suck. I remember a blog post Jonathan Blow made about porting Braid to Linux, where he was talking about how Linux has no development environments where you can debug into a GPU shader, Linux has no low-latency sound libraries, he couldn't reasonably capture the mouse data in a way his game needs, etc, etc.

    @sloosecannon said:

    but Windows is the "king" of gaming still. Which is one of the reasons I generally stick with it at home...

    The thing is you're wrong here. If you mean AAA gaming specifically, at this current moment I'd say Playstation 4 is the "king", with Windows being the "queen" and Xbox One being like a squire or something, I dunno, this metaphor sucks. If you mean mobile gaming, Android's the king and iOS is the queen.

    OS X is the guy at the castle who dredges out the shit from the moat, and Linux is his peon. That's how bad Linux is.



  • @TimeBandit said:

    Without Elder Scrolls games, there's no point. And I mean, "no point to living". Might as well seppuku right there.

    At least now we know why you keep using Windows

    Maybe also because the os doesn't skull fuck you every ten minutes with inane shit, shit guis and fucking god awful applications that are only intuitive to someone who has been lobotomized. You know what the best thing about windows is. I rarely fucking see it. I spend my time actually working or gaming instead of fuckingw with the os. The rare time you have a problem you google it and follow the nice pictures and gui to fix your problem.

    Linux, which fucking flavor, which version have you, is skullfucker 9.2324+ installed but not 9.2327+ on the c branch because it was accidentally patched out of that while fixing crippling security hole 9 of 50 billion the fucking reason you updated to it. There may be three ways to help you but it really looks like it might require you to dump the vm. Oh you installed to harddisk. Well be careful the bootloader doesn't fuck your windows installation while you're reinstalling. Have fucking fun getting your settings right again because dchp enabled by default is too fucking hard.

    Fuck right off. I'll put up with this shit at work because they're dumb enough to pay me for this garbage instead of spending my time going through the fucking backlog. In my free time I'll stick to something more enjoyable like drowning myself in vat of boiling chlorine.

    Command line isn't bad though.



  • @DogsB said:

    Well be careful the bootloader doesn't fuck your windows installation while you're reinstalling.

    Only Windows fucks the bootloader every time you re-install it since it believes it is the only OS that exist.
    @DogsB said:
    Have fucking fun getting your settings right again because dchp enabled by default is too fucking hard.

    You must suck at installing an OS since EVERY Linux distro is dhcp enabled by default.



  • @TimeBandit said:

    DogsB:
    Have fucking fun getting your settings right again because dchp enabled by default is too fucking hard.

    You must suck at installing an OS since EVERY Linux distro is dhcp enabled by default.

    (Bonus reply: Diksuck still didn't fix multiple inline quotes?)

    I suspect that DogsB meant that it's a pain that DHCP is always enabled by default and you don't get the option in (most) setup to to specify a static address.
    Now, to be fair, my muscle-memory does know how to do that now but I did have to re-google it the first 30 times.



  • @skotl said:

    I suspect that DogsB meant that it's a pain that DHCP is always enabled by default and you don't get the option in (most) setup to to specify a static address.

    From memory, Debian let you do it at install time.
    Once installed, if you have KDE it's dead simple.



  • Ubuntu doesn't, not even for a LAMP install, which has always seemed a WTF to me...



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Drivers are worse and less stable than Windows.

    Linux devs don't make drivers (anymore).

    @blakeyrat said:

    There's no DirectX-like API that nails the gaming use-case with a laser-focus, and instead they have to deal with the OpenGL crap.

    Linux devs don't make drivers (anymore), so graphics APIs are not their responsibility.

    @blakeyrat said:

    The development tools suck.

    Linux devs don't make development tools either.

    Remember that Linux devs make only the Linux kernel. The rest of stuff is made by the rest of people.



  • @Gaska said:

    Linux devs don't make drivers (anymore).

    Right; but they also don't make a solid foundation anybody ELSE can use to make drivers. So users are just fucked.

    @Gaska said:

    so graphics APIs are not their responsibility.

    How about "giving a shit that their OS sucks ass", is that their responsibility?

    Look, if they care about the quality of the OS, it kind of is their responsibility. Whether or not they think it is.

    @Gaska said:

    Linux devs don't make development tools either.

    Oh you're doing the slippery slimy Linux thing where you change the definition of the word "Linux" to make your point. How disgusting of you.

    Fuck off. You know what I meant.

    @Gaska said:

    The rest of stuff is made by the rest of people.

    They should be less shit at it.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Right; but they also don't make a solid foundation anybody ELSE can use to make drivers.

    Actually, they do.

    @blakeyrat said:

    How about "giving a shit that their OS sucks ass", is that their responsibility?

    They don't make OS - they make kernel. If you want to blame someone for that whole OS sucks, blame Canonical, or someone else who provide whole OS.

    @blakeyrat said:

    Oh you're doing the slippery slimy Linux thing where you change the definition of the word "Linux" to make your point.

    There are just two definitions - Linux the kernel, and Linux the whole ecosystem. Since "devs" is ill-defined in the latter context, the only way to understand "Linux devs" is Linux kernel devs. If you mean the OS, you must name a concrete distribution, or no one will understand you.

    @blakeyrat said:

    They [the rest of people that make the rest of stuff] should be less shit at it.

    Agreed. In particular, NVidia and AMD should because they make the most damage to Linux gaming by providing buggy drivers.



  • @Gaska said:

    Actually, they do.

    Liar.

    @Gaska said:

    They don't make OS - they make kernel. If you want to blame someone for that whole OS sucks, blame Canonical, or someone else who provide whole OS.

    You know what I meant, you fuck.

    @Gaska said:

    There are just two definitions - Linux the kernel, and Linux the whole ecosystem. Since "devs" is ill-defined in the latter context, the only way to understand "Linux devs" is Linux kernel devs. If you mean the OS, you must name a concrete distribution, or no one will understand you.

    Weasel words! WEASEL WORDS!

    Gaska: I AM NOT AS STUPID AS YOU THINK I AM. Fuck off.

    @Gaska said:

    Agreed. In particular, NVidia and AMD should because they make the most damage to Linux gaming by providing buggy drivers.

    There's no stable foundation for them to build on.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Liar.

    Explain.

    @blakeyrat said:

    You know what I meant, you fuck.

    No I fucking don't, and I just told you why.

    @blakeyrat said:

    Gaska: I AM NOT AS STUPID AS YOU THINK I AM.

    Then why every time I give you the benefit of doubt, you just make yourself look more and more stupid with each post?

    @blakeyrat said:

    There's no stable foundation for them to build on.

    Windows isn't any better in this regard. Unless you when you say "stable foundation", you don't mean stable foundation but something else (just like with Linux).



  • @Gaska said:

    Explain.

    Linux developers call the very notion of a stable driver interface "nonsense".

    Bonus quote:

    (remember we are talking about GPL released drivers here, if your code doesn't fall under this category, good luck, you are on your own here, you leech .)

    @Gaska said:

    No I fucking don't, and I just told you why.

    You purposefully misinterpreted what I typed to score forumpointzzz. It was obvious I was using the word "Linux" to mean a "Linux-based OS" or whatever term you prefer.

    The Linux community does this on purpose, you know. Use the same word in 46 different ways and you can never lose a debate. Because if someone says "Linux doesn't have X" you can just use a different definition of the word "Linux" and suddenly it does have X and you score all the forumpointzzz.

    Except you don't here, because we're not that fucking stupid.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    There's no stable foundation for them to build on.

    Liar



  • @Gaska said:

    Windows isn't any better in this regard. Unless you when you say "stable foundation", you don't mean stable foundation but something else (just like with Linux).

    I have the source code for my venerable 100Mbit Ethernet card's driver, thanks to the vendor including some GPL code. It was last updated in 2002. It has Linux autoconf/automake and a Windows Visual C++ 6 project file. Built cleanly and worked great for Knoppix 2.2 and Windows XP.

    Windows 10: Install the Windows 10 DDK. Fire up Visual Studio 2015, upgrade and load the project, hit "Build", right-click the driver INF and hit "Install". Curse at having forgotten to sign it, test-sign it, install it again. Done, works great.

    Linux: Install the kernel headers package for my current kernel. ./configure.sh, mostly works, a few overrides I need to enable. make... thousands of errors. Thousands. Totally screwed.


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