Too many things!



  • So I haven't been to this forum for a while. After returning I was greeted with the following message showing above the topics list:

    Warning: you have too many tracked new and unread topics, clear some using "Dismiss New" or "Dismiss Posts"

    I have the following questions:

    1. How many is too many?
    2. What is the implication of this? Is my keyboard going to physically assault me any second?
    3. Where can I find "Dismiss New" and/or "Dismiss Posts"?
    4. Why doesn't the message itself answer point #3?
    5. Why doesn't the message simply include a button to dismiss this stuff making points #3 and #4 redundant?


  • The message is going away in the next beta.

    1. 500
    2. The unread+new numbers will always sum to 500
    3. At the bottom of /new and /unread
    4. That's a good question. Also the buttons moved on accident
    5. That's a good question. In the next beta, the system pushes that button for you every 15 minutes to keep you under 80% of 500 instead of nagging you.


  • @riking said:

    That's a good question. In the next beta, the system pushes that button for you every 15 minutes.

    Wait, the server forgets which posts I'm subscribed to? And that's a "feature"?



  • @ben_lubar said:

    Wait, the server forgets which posts I'm subscribed to? And that's a "feature"?

    Well, you clearly aren't looking at them if they're still sitting there.



  • I'm working through it. Also, according to Jeff, none of the users of this forum exist because apparently the "feature" of disabling functionality "only affects like 50 people across all discourse installations".

    Either that or this is literally the only installation of Discourse.



  • Actually no

    The notice showed up for literally everybody at Hello Foros because they get more than 500 new topics a day.



  • For unread it just dismisses the posts, not the topics, right?



  • OK, I think I broke it...



  • What was the difference, again?

    And bloody hell, how do you fuck up this sort of basic functionality. ComicRocket doesn't forget where I was in the comic if I track a lot of them. Netflix doesn't forget which episode I was on if I track too many of them. My fucking Kindle doesn't forget my place in the book if I track too many of them.

    And explaining it as "well you obviously won't read those posts anyway" is a middle finger to the user.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    What was the difference, again?

    Dismissing the topic stops it being tracked. Dismissing the posts stops them showing as unread in the topic list/counter but the topic is still tracked so new posts after that point still show as unread.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    a middle finger to the user.

    The whole software is a middle finger to the user.



  • Oh wow.

    That's... kinda what I thought actually, but those option names are still pure shit. Why would you use the same word on two buttons next to each other to mean two totally different things?



  • I must be new here, but what is the reason for the Kuro-bar in the first place?

    Why is it a bad thing to track this many topics? And why is it not sufficient with the current "sliding window" of considering a topic new only for a specific period of time?

    I am guessing you are enforcing this rule for a technical reason (e.g. capping database usage), but given the amount of discussion it has created (on this forum at least), shirley there must be a beter way?



  • All of the above, plus: Stuff like this should be dependant on duration not quantity.

    Heck! 500 Posts + Topics can be created on a badgood day around here, subject to the quality of (and the reason for) what gets posted.

    If the 500 Posts + Topics is the result of an arbitrary decision made during the requirements capture, then it is a undefined in itself.

    If the 500 Posts + Topics is the result of some limitation in resource because somebody failed to make adequate provision for it in the design phase, then its is a double undefined

    If the 500 Posts + Topics is going to remain, well..... a more emphatic undefined emoji will need to be created.

    Addendum: before anybody even starts thinking about "tracking". As all posts / topics can be tracked, failure to assume all will be is:
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    That's 24 (and arbitrary number or a seriously fucked up answer to everything) serial undefineds squared!

    Remorseful Edit: my eyes.....

    Is it just me, or can I see heart shapes in there? Is this..... love?


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    I complained that my numbers in "New" and "Unread" didn't add up.
    Intermediate solution was the Kuro-bar to tell users to either dismiss their stuff or deal with it
    Since nobody ever listens to a bar, it will now be automated.

    If we don't want automatic dismissing, we can probably ask PJH to just set "topicmaxnewandunread" or whatever to a million and all is well again.

    It's also a bad thing because of the same reason toasters exist if you post too much in a topic / visit a topic thats too old / do anything. Discourse is supposed to be used to do short bursts of discussions. Thats - afaict - Jeffs vision and he sticks with it.

    As stated before there is no known cooties or anything associated with tracking too much stuff. So not sure if there really is a technical reason.

    They also think of removing the option "everything is automatically tracked and stays that way forever" from the settings... go figure

    Filed Under: So there you go


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @riking said:

    That's a good question. In the next beta, the system pushes that button for you every 15 minutes to keep you under 80% of 500 instead of nagging you.

    I sincerely hope that I misunderstood this. If not...you have to be fist fucking me?



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    hy would you use the same word on two buttons next to each other to mean two totally different things?

    Because Jeff and his dislike for software that's easy to understand without taking a fucking course on it. A course that needs resitting every release.



  • You have not misunderstood.


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    Holy sheep shit.



  • This calls for some serious gamification. How quickly do we have to create new topics to keep people constantly over 500 new?


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