Windows Firewall team to Microsoft VS 2005 Team: We hate you !!



  • Apparently, the Windows Firewall team and the Visual Studio 2005 Team are not on very good terms at all !!

    Windows Firewall blocks VS 2005



  • Except that Windows Firewall defaults to block unless specified to do otherwise, so it's not a WTF at all...  If all MS products always allowed all MS products full access we'd have anti-trust issues.



  • sheeshers, you don't get to rate your own topic as 5/5 stars.  That's a violation of intergalactic law.



  • [quote user="ZeroSum"]Except that Windows Firewall defaults to block unless specified to do otherwise, so it's not a WTF at all...  If all MS products always allowed all MS products full access we'd have anti-trust issues.
    [/quote]


    Except that any program run with Administrator or better rights (anything you run if you're logged in as an admin) can tell the Windows firewall how to treat it, automatically, behind the scenes, no user interaction required.



  • Well, isn't that the whole point of the Administrator group/account (full access)?  A program running as root can do "rm -rf /", but nobody makes a big deal of that.  The only problem is that (until Vista) user accounts were members of the Administrator group by default.  Unfortunately most people are just not computer savvy enough to even understand this, much less deal with it every day.



  • [quote user="tdk001"]

    [quote user="ZeroSum"]Except that Windows Firewall defaults to block unless specified to do otherwise, so it's not a WTF at all...  If all MS products always allowed all MS products full access we'd have anti-trust issues.
    [/quote]


    Except that any program run with Administrator or better rights (anything you run if you're logged in as an admin) can tell the Windows firewall how to treat it, automatically, behind the scenes, no user interaction required.

    [/quote]<font size="+1">W</font>ow!  That sounds like another nifty vector to lose control to malware.  Thanks, Microsoft.

     



  • [quote user="triso"][quote user="tdk001"]

    [quote user="ZeroSum"]Except that Windows Firewall defaults to block unless specified to do otherwise, so it's not a WTF at all...  If all MS products always allowed all MS products full access we'd have anti-trust issues.
    [/quote]


    Except that any program run with Administrator or better rights (anything you run if you're logged in as an admin) can tell the Windows firewall how to treat it, automatically, behind the scenes, no user interaction required.

    [/quote]<font size="+1">W</font>ow!  That sounds like another nifty vector to lose control to malware.  Thanks, Microsoft.

     

    [/quote]

    The alternative is what, exactly? An admin account that can't actually administrate things? Microsoft is exceedingly selective about what areas it makes LOCALSYSTEM-only, and administrator can even take ownership of those.

    If your system is 0wn3d, it's 0wn3d. No software on the system can argue against a kernel root.



  • [quote user="sheeshers"]

    Apparently, the Windows Firewall team and the Visual Studio 2005 Team are not on very good terms at all !!

    Windows Firewall blocks VS 2005

    [/quote]

    Even mspaint.exe has come with png support since 2001. What's your excuse, five and a half years later? 



  • Judging from the fuzziness of the screenshot, I'm guessing it's a .jpg that's been converted to a .bmp.  That's a WTF in itself...



  • [quote user="codeman38"]Judging from the fuzziness of the screenshot, I'm guessing it's a .jpg that's been converted to a .bmp.  That's a WTF in itself...
    [/quote]

    I'm guessing the poster found this on another website, saved it from IE(which has a habit of converting jpeg's to bmp's when your saving from websites), and then posting it here, and possibly involved a camera, a printer and a wooden table somewhere in there.



  • @ZeroSum said:

    Except that Windows Firewall defaults to block
    unless specified to do otherwise, so it's not a WTF at all...  If all
    MS products always allowed all MS products full access we'd have
    anti-trust issues.

    Actually the Firewall will allow many MS programs by default... at least, the OneCare version does.  However it also has non-MS programs such as Firefox in the whitelist, so it wouldn't be an anti-trust issue anyways... and even if not, it still wouldn't be one, because it's not like "OMFG THIS PROGRAM IS EVIL BLOCK IT AND USE MS PRODUCTS".  Most users probably understand they can click "Allow" to dismiss the dialog and use their program.

    @triso said:

    <font size="+1">W</font>ow!  That sounds like another nifty vector to lose control to malware.  Thanks, Microsoft.

    You do realize that if malware is running as administrator, it's probably already too late.  It can kill any anti-malware app it finds, or manipulate them to silently allow malware traffic.  Users shouldn't be running as administrator anyway... MS has to take blame for requiring this over the past 12 years, but they can't take blame if you let malware take control of your PC, and then it merely exercises that control.



  • More /. style FUD.

    Move on, nothing to see here.

    "OMG M$ sucks!" (Mostly because I am too dumb to use it!)

    Why can't we tar and feather these people like in the good old days?



  • @Hitsuji said:

    I'm guessing the poster found this on another website, saved it from IE(which has a habit of converting jpeg's to bmp's when your saving from websites), and then posting it here, and possibly involved a camera, a printer and a wooden table somewhere in there.

    IE does this when the cache is full. Another symptom of the cache being full is that View->Source no longer works.

    The XP firewall will also prompt to unblock IE at times.



  • @benryves said:

    @Hitsuji said:

    I'm guessing the poster found this on another website, saved it from IE(which has a habit of converting jpeg's to bmp's when your saving from websites), and then posting it here, and possibly involved a camera, a printer and a wooden table somewhere in there.

    IE does this when the cache is full. Another symptom of the cache being full is that View->Source no longer works.

    The XP firewall will also prompt to unblock IE at times.

    So IE slowly breaks down when your cache is full, instead of giving a warning? That's a WTF in it self, as most users won't understand what is going on. As far as I know other browsers like Firefox don't have this problem. 



  • That's nothing! M$ apps like fdisk also warn you not to use them! LOLOLOLOLZ!!!!!11

    Even M$ don't trust their own apps not to do bad things so they tell you not to use them!!!111oneone

     OMG M$ $ux!

     

     

    sheesh.... 



  • @The MAZZTer said:

    You do realize that if malware is running as administrator, it's probably already too late.  It can kill any anti-malware app it finds, or manipulate them to silently allow malware traffic.  Users shouldn't be running as administrator anyway... MS has to take blame for requiring this over the past 12 years, but they can't take blame if you let malware take control of your PC, and then it merely exercises that control.

    The right way for a savvy user to browse the Internet would be to have an admin user and a restricted user - do installs, config and the like from the admin account, and browse the Web from the restricted account... But that's also a perfect way to waste time.


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