What are you talking about? There's PLENTY of resources availble to victims of cyber-threats
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@abarker said:
the other is a physical violation of a person's body.
To be fair, neither a rape threat nor identity theft is that.
Whoops. I think I forgot about a word …
Fixed. :P
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Well when a woman wants to have random sex, she really doesn't need a paid membership.
Depends on the woman …
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Not really.
It depends on what the woman is willing to do.
The same can be said for men too.
It's all a matter of what each person is willing to do, on whether they'll have access to something they want to do.
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That's like saying all the fuss about 9/11 was just to protect the white people.
No. The response to 9/11 was to make a God's-balls sized fuckton of money for the rich, white friends of other rich, white politicians.
One is a cyber-crime that has a high chance of leading to identity theft
Bullshit. The leaked information is being used to embarrass and extort, and some of those people have connections with the FBI, DHS, and all manner of local and federal law enforcement.
The actual response is probably largely due to the scale [number of people affected] of the crime more than anything.
Double-ass bullshit with corn. 40 million users, with a significant amount inactive or fake.
Now let's compare that to two high-profile data breaches of recent:
Home Depot: 109 million. Credit card details stolen
Target: 110 million. Credit card numbers stolen.Across both:
Convictions to date: none* (* a former Home Depot senior IT manager is in prison for being a right shit, but nothing to do with the hack itself.)
Law enforcement hotlines to date: none that I can find.
LE outcries of "this behavior is unacceptable" and chest-beating and full cyber-force task action: none
Opportunity for personal loss the 219 million victims: FUCKING HUGE
Opportunity for identity theft for the 219 million victims: FUCKING HUGENumber of rich, white males with exorbitant power and influence likely to be harmed by those breaches: close enough to zero
(When was the last time you saw your senator shopping for gum at Target? When was the last time you saw the head of a billion dollar munitions contractor firm buying drop sheets from Home Depot?)I honestly can't believe I actually have to make this point. =|
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@Lorne_Kates said:
some of those people
Of which you are certain are all rich white males.
:tin_foil_hat_required:
@Lorne_Kates said:
No. The response to 9/11 was to make a God's-balls sized fuckton of money for the rich, white friends of other rich, white politicians.
Yes, only white cisgendered males benefited.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
(When was the last time you saw your senator shopping for gum at Target? When was the last time you saw the head of a billion dollar munitions contractor firm buying drop sheets from Home Depot?)
You've got to be kidding me.
You're pretty sure they don't make online purchases... aren't you.
Are you the professor of gender studies? Or some professional student of the study?
God, you seem to be more concerned about rich-white males, than the rich-white males are concerned about themselves.
@Lorne_Kates said:
senator = all rich white cisgendered males
@Lorne_Kates said:
white males with exorbitant power
@Lorne_Kates said:
rich, white friends of other rich, white politicians.
@Lorne_Kates said:
rich white men
@Lorne_Kates said:
rich, white dudes
This
gamergaterich, white men stuff is a VIRUS IN YOUR BRAIN
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Not really.
It depends on what the woman is willing to do.
I fail to see how that really contradicts what I said. A woman's willingness to do certain things will affect her perceived attractiveness. However, her ability to find a person willing to to participate in those acts with her may be limited (or even, in some cases, effectively 0) unless she enrolls in an online service to help her find a match that would be beyond her capabilities to locate otherwise.
So, as I said, depends on the woman.
The same can be said for men too.
Oh, fine. Depends on the person.
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But when I searched for police response and rape threats....
##Gamergate was all that showed up.
No repro:
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Google personalizes results to what you're likely to be looking for. It obviously has a much more specific picture of what @xaade means when they say "rape threats".
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Google personalizes results to what you're likely to be looking for. It obviously has a much more specific picture of what @xaade means when they say "rape threats".
I don't know what DuckDuckGo's specific policies are on rape threats, butt sex info, or what I'm sure is going to be yet another Discourse onebox bug when I hit CTRL-V, but:
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You're pretty sure they don't make online purchases... aren't you.
Irrelevant. The hack specifically targeted in-store POS terminals.
Are you the professor of gender studies? Or some professional student of the study?
Yes. I am both of those. The teacher and the student. The alpha and the omega. The Kit AND the Kat.
God, you seem to be more concerned about rich-white males, than the rich-white males are concerned about themselves.
This is funnier than buttsex.
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BONUS WTF!
I was going to post "Target doesn't even offer online purchases". But I have no way of verifying:
http://i.imgur.com/TdmrPjb.png
Glad to see Target's keeping their topest of all notches on their IT staff.
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They're just being proactive. Try hacking their site now, when they won't let you access any pages!
Incidentally, what's with this "Reference #{hex spaghetti with occasional dots}" style error? I got one from a webservice the other day and have no idea what the heck it means. (It didn't repeat when I resubmitted the request.)
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Incidentally, what's with this "Reference #{hex spaghetti with occasional dots}" style error? I got one from a webservice the other day and have no idea what the heck it means. (It didn't repeat when I resubmitted the request.)
it's a unique request ID that they will use to trace the hacking attempt back to you when you call their tech support and supply the "Error reference number" when they ask for it.
Expect a SWAT team to knock politely at your door within 3 to 6 hours after reporting the error.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
No. The response to 9/11 was to make a God's-balls sized fuckton of money for the rich, white friends of other rich, white politicians.
At least this makes as much sense as your OP.
@Lorne_Kates said:
When was the last time you saw your senator shopping for gum at Target?
As often as I've witnessed death / rape threats at Target, I think.
@Lorne_Kates said:
I honestly can't believe I actually have to make this point. =|
It was a pretty ridiculous point.
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The US Supreme Court decided a case about social media threats on Jue 1 2015:
Supreme Court throws out conviction for Facebook threats
The Supreme Court on Monday threw out the conviction of a Pennsylvania man prosecuted for making threats on Facebook, but dodged the free-speech issues that had made the case intriguing to First Am…
Some quotes from that article:
Seven justices on the high court agreed that it was not necessary to reach First Amendment issues in reversing Elonis' conviction.
So not a close one.
Steven Shapiro, national legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the decision "recognizes that the law has for centuries required the government to prove criminal intent before putting someone in jail."
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Justice Clarence Thomas dissented, saying he would have found Elonis' posts to be "true threats" under the objective standard accepted by the vast majority of appeals courts prior to Monday's ruling.
In fact, the decision to overturn was really 8-1. Alito didn't fully agree and filed a concurring / dissenting opinion.
ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which SCALIA,
KENNEDY, GINSBURG, BREYER, SOTOMAYOR, and KAGAN, JJ., joined.
ALITO, J., filed an opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part.
THOMAS, J., filed a dissenting opinion.I'm not sure how that all fits into the rich pale penis person narrative thingy.
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I don't see how linking to documents stating facts fits into a flame war.
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rich pale penis person narrative thingy.
@accalia, would you oblige with a Do Not Want meme?
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two for the price of one!
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Have a do-no-want-badger meme.
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why did i get an @mention notification for that?
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Target will pay hack victims $10 million
Target has agreed to pay $10 million as part of a settlement of a class-action lawsuit filed in the wake of a 2013 data breach that affected up to 110 million customers.
Ok, failing to understand what the problem is here?
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Ok, failing to understand what the problem is here?
Target has agreed to pay $10 million as part of a settlement of a class-action lawsuit filed in the wake of a 2013 data breach that affected up to 110 million customers.
$10 million / 110 million = $0.09 per person. No person will actually see that, since it goes to lawyers instead.
And a lawsuit != criminal investigation. So I don't know what your point is?
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2 arrested in connection with Target hack
Police say the pair, stopped at the U.S.-Mexico border, were carrying 90 fraudulent credit and debit cards.
On Monday, Target spokeswoman Molly Snyder said the investigation is "active and ongoing" and referred questions about the McAllen arrests to local law enforcement.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
And a lawsuit != criminal investigation. So I don't know what your point is?
You basically won't be happy unless everyone wealthier than you is castrated, will you?
You and @flabdablet should start a club.
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Some quotes from that article:
I can do that too!
Chief Justice John Roberts said it was not enough for prosecutors to show that the comments of Anthony Elonis about killing his ex-wife and harming others would make a reasonable person feel threatened. But the high court sent the case back to the lower court without clarifying exactly what the standard of proof should be.
I'm not sure how that all fits into the rich pale penis person narrative thingy.
I was going to ask you the same thing.
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You basically won't be happy unless everyone wealthier than you is castrated, will you?
Not as funny as butt sex, but close.
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nah. @DKF initially mentioned me, but edited it out afterwards.
He just didn't post that reply in thread. for rasins of his own. ;-)
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I was going to ask you the same thing.
Excellent! My answer is that it's evidence against.
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Excellent! My answer is that it's evidence against.
I disagree.
Let's compare these cases, and try to figure out why the AM hack is getting the police resource it is, when others aren't.
For the record, I'm including as resources: number of LE agents and agencies on the case, dedicated hotline phone numbers, and LE admonishment ("this behavior is unacceptable" type speeches from high-ranking officials), press releases, etc.
Claimed (in this thread), AM should get the resources because of the number of victims involved
Home Depot and Target both had more victims by an order of magnitude. Did not get any police resources. No arrests. Therefore, it can't be the scale of it.Claimed (in this thread), AM leaked details can lead to identity theft.
Home Depot and Target both lost personally identifiable information. Worse, they lost ACTUAL credit card numbers, rather than redacted transaction records. No additional resources, no arrests. Therefore, it can't be the information that was leaked.Claimed (in this thread, elsewhere) AM victims are being targeted with threats
As the article pointed out, Supreme Court says action should only be taken when there is real, reasonable intent of harm. A man threatening to murder his ex-wife repeatedly-- even after a restraining order taken out on him (reasonable notice to say "stop fucking doing that"), and being convicted of assault-- is not reasonable or credible. Someone making idle threats against a politician, credible (see any case of uttering death threats against president, congressman, etc).
So where do the AM threats come into this? It's extortion threats, more than physical harm. But it's a mass email from some hackers with a database on information, and the threat is to "release" already public data. So is there actually any credible threat? Would anyone reasonably assume that those making the threat intend to follow through, or can actually cause any real harm beyond what has already been done?I would say no. So it can't be the credibility of threat that makes the AM case special.
So the AM case isn't special (as compared to similar or worse hacks) because of the scale of the hack, or the contents of the hack, or the use of the information from the hack. The threats made aren't credible, as defined by the supreme court.
So why is it being treated differently from other hacks,or other cases of online harassment/threats? What other differences are there between the cases?
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You basically won't be happy unless everyone wealthier than you is castrated, will you?
I'm guessing he'll be satisfied with just taking away all of their money.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
So why is it being treated differently from other hacks
Because it involves the sex lives of people, and includes the email addresses of famous people.
@Lorne_Kates said:
or other cases of online harassment/threats?
Because it isn't one of them.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
So why is it being treated differently from other hacks,or other cases of online harassment/threats?
I already said that I thought they probably were getting a lot of calls about it, so they wanted to have an alternate line of communication.
@Lorne_Kates said:
Home Depot and Target both had more victims by an order of magnitude. Did not get any police resources. No arrests. Therefore, it can't be the scale of it.
Home Depot, four days into a massive and highly complex cyber investigation led by the FBI and security giants like Symantec...
U.S. Justice Dept Joins The Target Credit Card Data Breach Investigation | TechCrunch
The investigation behind Target's data breach, which affected 40 million customers and is one of the largest hacking incidents in retail history, has intensified. The U.S. Justice Department has joined the investigation, which already includes the FBI and the Secret Service, which usually oversees...
I know that it all comes down to "rich men threatened = lots of police resources" and everyone else can go pound sand, but you need more than emotional outbursts and tin foil hattery to convince me.
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I already said that I thought they probably were getting a lot of calls about it, so they wanted to have an alternate line of communication.
I should add that I don't think that what the Toronto police department does or does not do is a great proxy for law enforcement resources devoted to any particular thing.
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Home Depot, four days into a massive and highly complex cyber investigation led by the FBI and security giants like Symantec...
Citation needed. Searched Google for "home depot hack fbi". I haven't found any details of the investigation. No press released from FBI, or inter-departmental (local police) work, or public speeches admonishing the hackers.
U.S. Justice Dept Joins The Target Credit Card Data Breach Investigation
Drill down to the actual speech given by AG Eric Holder on January 29th (~1.5 months after the breach was made public). This is a speech given while testifying to the US Senate Committee on the Judiciary-- not a public speech or press release.
"I can confirm the Department is investigating the breach involving the U.S. retailer, Target. And we are committed to working to find not only the perpetrators of these sorts of data breaches – but also any individuals and groups who exploit that data via credit card fraud."Telling words "investigating" (how), and "these sorts" (not this one, per say). This isn't a massive, inter-departmental investigation with a dedicated hotline and passionate speeches by LE high-rankers. This is a "oh, by the way"-- two lines in a 9 paragraph speech given on a different matter.
Because it involves the sex lives of people, and includes the email addresses of famous people.
Sex lives: Which aren't a matter for the police. I thought using AM wasn't a crime, nor was cheating. That is a difference, for sure, but not convinced it's relevant. Keep in mind that there are plenty of cases of people's sex lives being involved-- revenge porn, rape threats, harassing ex's, etc. Heck, there's even threatening to out gay folk that aren't taken seriously or are dismissed as a "personal matter".
and includes the email addresses of famous people.
Ah, now there's a significant difference. Those emails are already leaked, so it must be to punish those who leaked it, rather than protecting the addresses themselves.
Remind me-- the AM service-- it cost money, right? And since it's core business model is "extract as much money from idiots as possible", famous people would have more money, wouldn't them? Maybe enough to put them in a different social class than those without money?
And remind me again-- what gender was at least 85% of AM's customers?
or other cases of online harassment/threats?
Because it isn't one of them.
I disagree, and so does the team investigating. One of the reasons given for their response:
http://www.thestar.com/business/2015/08/24/ashley-madison-hack-may-be-linked-to-suicides-police-say.html
@Toronto police Staff Supt. Bryce Evans said:“The ripple effect of the Impact Team’s actions has and will continue to have long-term social and economic impacts and they have already sparked spinoffs of crimes and further victimization.”
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I should add that I don't think that what the Toronto police department does or does not do is a great proxy for law enforcement resources devoted to any particular thing.
I would normally agree, except the Toronto police seem to have taken the lead in this, in terms of co-ordination of effort, resources available (including public hotlines that have been internationally published), and media relation efforts:
@Staff Supt. Bryce Evans , again said:
5 questions for Toronto police about the Ashley Madison hack | CBC News
The Toronto Police Service is leading the investigation into the Ashley Madison hacking case, which Staff Supt. Bryce Evans called "one of the largest data breaches in the world." CBC News spoke with Evans one on one.
... the Ashley Madison hacking case, which Staff Supt. Bryce Evans called "one of the largest data breaches in the world." ...
Staff Supt. Bryce Evans (BE): Last week, we reached out to our law enforcement partners — the FBI, [U.S. Department of] Homeland Security, RCMP and OPP. And what we asked for was for them to bring the top cyber investigators they have within their certain law enforcement groups to meet with us, which they have. We're continuing our meeting to strategize as new information comes forward in this investigation the best approach.As to why TPS is leading:
@Sargie Bryce-o-matic said:oronto police has a very good unit. We call it C3. Within the last year and a half the chief of police, Mark Saunders, he formed this group and we have experts in this group. But the magnitude of this investigation, we thought it was best that bring on more people to assist.
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BUT RICH PEOPLE HAVE MONEY AND MEN USE DATING SITES ILLUMINATI EVIL MEN BAD BAD!
The rest of us don't see things that way. Sorry?
The fact is, this has the ability to affect people's images, and for many people, that's more important than identity theft. It's crazy, yes. Something like this makes people feel bad on a very personal level, and so it makes great news and gathers more pressure. I guess you can go redesign the human mind if you want to make this change.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Drill down to the actual speech given by AG Eric Holder on January 29th
WTF? Investigations aren't about speeches. He confirmed that they were investigating it.
@Lorne_Kates said:
Searched Google for "home depot hack fbi". I haven't found any details of the investigation.
They don't generally talk about that stuff. Further searching finds that the Secret Service is usually the lead on this sort of thing. But lack of arrests don't mean that there was no investigation.
@Lorne_Kates said:
This isn't a massive, inter-departmental investigation with a dedicated hotline and passionate speeches by LE high-rankers.
It's also easier to go after someone if they are obviously doing something with the data, like extorting people, as opposed to selling CC numbers somewhere. But by all means, keep rationalizing whatever it is you want to believe.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I would normally agree, except the Toronto police seem to have taken the lead in this, in terms of co-ordination of effort, resources available (including public hotlines that have been internationally published), and media relation efforts:
5 questions for Toronto police about the Ashley Madison hack | CBC News
The Toronto Police Service is leading the investigation into the Ashley Madison hacking case, which Staff Supt. Bryce Evans called "one of the largest data breaches in the world." CBC News spoke with Evans one on one.
Fair enough. I notice from that story that the suicides were from people on the list, so that's a reasonable thing to look at. Now, when you can figure out an extortion / blackmail angle on Target or Home Depot, it might be worth looking at more parallels.
I wasn't concerned about Target or Home Depot, since the CC companies have, in my experience, been pretty good at picking up on fraud. I haven't been concerned about the AM stuff because I'm not a cheater and for that matter have never used any online dating service.
OTOH, it seems like the AM is sort of being treated more seriously in some ways than the OPM breach which is potentially many orders of magnitude more serious, even though the data wasn't put out into public.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Claimed (in this thread), AM should get the resources because of the number of victims involvedHome Depot and Target both had more victims by an order of magnitude. Did not get any police resources. No arrests. Therefore, it can't be the scale of it.
Claimed (in this thread), AM leaked details can lead to identity theft.
Home Depot and Target both lost personally identifiable information. Worse, they lost ACTUAL credit card numbers, rather than redacted transaction records. No additional resources, no arrests. Therefore, it can't be the information that was leaked.There were at least two arrests made in connection to the Target data breach:
Mexican duo arrested in Target data breach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DAZSCELBdY&feature=youtube_gdata_player Target shoppers may not be a jet-setting bunch — but at least their credit card numbers are seeing the world. Days...
There were also two arrests made in connection to the Home Depot breach:
http://www.scmagazine.com/police-in-texas-arrested-two-men-find-card-readers/article/377853/
I found each of those with less than a minute of effort. You want to try that again?
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WTF? Investigations aren't about speeches.
Yes, that is my point.
They don't generally talk about that stuff ... Further searching finds that the Secret Service is usually the lead on this sort of thing. He confirmed that they were investigating it.
Again, that's my point. If they generally don't talk about it, what's with the massive media front-end of the AM investigation? The Secret Service is on the AM case (along with FBI, Homeland, federal, provincial/state and local police).
It's also easier to go after someone if they are obviously doing something with the data, like extorting people, as opposed to selling CC numbers somewhere.
If it's easier, then again my question still applies-- why the need for a massive inter-departmental team plus the media front-end?
BUT RICH PEOPLE HAVE MONEY AND MEN USE DATING SITES ILLUMINATI EVIL MEN BAD BAD!
Just as funny as butt sex, but for different reasons.
The rest of us don't see things that way. Sorry?
I'd add in a quote from earlier in the thread about "it can't be about protecting rich, powerful men because no one has explicitly said it is", but I can't be arsed to fight Discourse's idea of paging. My point is: YES, THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT. The fact that some cases get treated different than others, for completely assumed and invisible reasons, is the entire problem.
There isn't a single taxi cab with a "no niggers" sign, and yet...
The fact is, this has the ability to affect people's images, and for many people, that's more important than identity theft.
So, from the thread thusfar, this case is more important because it is about identity theft, and it is more important because it isn't about identity theft.
Yes, indeed, this case can affect people's images. Which people? The ones in the leak, obviously. So who are the "many people" to whom those people's images are more important?
It's crazy, yes. Something like this makes people feel bad on a very personal level, and so it makes great news and gathers more pressure.
Again, yes, indeed, it does gather more media and pressure. So again, who are the "many people" putting this pressure into play?
I guess you can go redesign the human mind if you want to make this change.
That is the point of addressing social issues.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
"it can't be about protecting rich, powerful men because no one has explicitly said it is"
I'm arguing that you're blaming it on them being men and white. I'm saying that it's to do with fame.
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Fair enough. I notice from that story that the suicides were from people on the list, so that's a reasonable thing to look at.
For sure, though even the TPS noted that they had absolutely no way of knowing if the suicides were anything but a coincidence, and wouldn't comment without further investigation. Luckily, news outlets have the word "alleged" and "connected" to weasel with, so that story lives on.
I wasn't concerned about Target or Home Depot, since the CC companies have, in my experience, been pretty good at picking up on fraud.
Me and my several-times cancelled credit card agree with that. (And given how paranoidly cautious I am about my numbers, I just plain don't want to know how lax shit is behind the scenes)
I haven't been concerned about the AM stuff because I'm not a cheater and for that matter have never used any online dating service.
Kinda goes to my point about who the most concerned people are...
(Full disclosure, I met my wife on a dating site long before dating sites were really a "thing", so I'm a fun anecdote).
OTOH, it seems like the AM is sort of being treated more seriously in some ways than the OPM breach which is potentially many orders of magnitude more serious, even though the data wasn't put out into public.
I heard that... hang on (quick skim of latest status). Jesus fucking christ. At what point do you just say "the entire country is identity thefted. Let's just burn down the entire Social Security Number system, salt the earth, and start from scratch"?
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There were at least two arrests made in connection to the Target data breach:
Mexican duo arrested in Target data breach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DAZSCELBdY&feature=youtube_gdata_player Target shoppers may not be a jet-setting bunch — but at least their credit card numbers are seeing the world. Days...
Those two purchased stolen credit card numbers, used those numbers, and were caught. Those numbers came from the Target breach (allegedly). They were not involved in the breach. They just had the dumbshit luck to have bought a CC that was being watched closely because of where it was stolen from.
http://www.scmagazine.com/police-in-texas-arrested-two-men-find-card-readers/article/377853/
The two suspects were found with credit card readers. Every article I found, only from the day of their arrest, says the "may" have possibly been connected to the Home Depot breach. In much the same way that anyone with a pilot's license on September 12th 2001 "may" have been connected to 9/11. It was never confirmed by police or FBI. All allegations of "may" were made up by news agencies. I cannot find any further record of their arrest, trial, conviction, anything. If these two lunkheads were the masterminds behind the Home Depot breach, there would have been follow ups I'd think.
I found each of those with less than a minute of effort. You want to try that again?
lol
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I'm arguing that you're blaming it on them being men and white. I'm saying that it's to do with fame.
What definition of "fame" are you using that somehow makes it distinct from power and wealth? And if it was just fame, then no one would be worried about the powerful/wealthy non-famous people (see all .gov addresses, for example).
Wealth goes hand-in-hand with this, since again, AM's target audience was idiots with money. The more money the better.
Again once again, at least 85% of the victims are male.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
If they generally don't talk about it, what's with the massive media front-end of the AM investigation?
I think the whole AM thing is just a lot more juicy. It captures people's attention in a way that Yet Another Credit Card Breach doesn't.
@Lorne_Kates said:
If it's easier, then again my question still applies-- why the need for a massive inter-departmental team plus the media front-end?
This is a very different situation than those other data breaches.
@Lorne_Kates said:
I heard that... hang on (quick skim of latest status). Jesus fucking christ. At what point do you just say "the entire country is identity thefted.
Like with AM, the identity theft angle is a very minor player. The OPM thing is like AM on steroids from the standpoint of dirty laundry. Both due to the kind of information in there and for whose information is in there. AM has potential adultery. OPM has that, plus drinking, debt, other criminal sorts of activities, drugs, etc.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Again once again, at least 85% of the victims are male.
Yes. So? Why are you so sure that has anything to do with the attention it's getting?
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I think the whole AM thing is just a lot more juicy. It captures people's attention in a way that Yet Another Credit Card Breach doesn't.
Agreed, which is why it would make for a great media circus. And I'd be fine with that, because the media's main goal is to publish clickbait as much as possible.
But why should it being "juicy" be more important to law enforcement?
This is a very different situation than those other data breaches.
Yes, that's my point. But I'll point back again to what the only differences ARE between this and the other data breaches...
Like with AM, the identity theft angle is a very minor player. The OPM thing is like AM on steroids from the standpoint of dirty laundry. Both due to the kind of information in there and for whose information is in there. AM has potential adultery. OPM has that, plus drinking, debt, other criminal sorts of activities, drugs, etc.
If I were to tinfoil this: So maybe AM is being massively hyped because the rich, powerful men involved in OPM want to distract the media from their case, so are throwing slightly less rich, powerful men under the bus with AM
