What are you talking about? There's PLENTY of resources availble to victims of cyber-threats



  • I hear this ALL the fucking time. "I received a cyber-threat! No one in law enforcement will help me. No one in LE knows anything about the Internet. They have my home address. They're threatening to rape me and my family then behead me."

    Boo-fucking-hoo, lady. You're so obviously just whining and not getting actual help from the perfectly well equipped law enforcement professionals who specialize in cyber crime! And they're on standby 24/7, working non-stop on these, the most serious of all cyber-crimes:

    Look at that! A dedicated hashtag, AND a dedicated Twitter account AND a dedicated phone number hotline, JUST for this case! There's dozens of officers tirelessly working NON STOP on protecting the true victims of cybercrimes: rich, white dudes paying for sex.

    I mean, if you REALLY feel that your silly little rape and death threats actually take priority over scrambling to protect influential white guys from their own poor choices, then sure, go ahead-- maybe call that number. Or look up your local law enforcement's version of that number (because believe me, every single LE agency in the continent is fucking SNAPPING TO ATTENTION to work on this case). If you ask really nicely, and are a polite woman, maybe they'll reassign an officer from this most important and pressing case to look into that "threat" of yours.



  • @Lorne_Kates said:

    Look at that! A dedicated hashtag,

    Hash tag #AMCaseTPS

    I'm impressed. Just in case you didn't know what a hash tag is...



  • @PJH said:

    I'm impressed. Just in case you didn't know what a hash tag is...

    Maybe I need more coffee, but... wat?



  • @Lorne_Kates said:

    Maybe I need more coffee, but... wat?

    That was kind of my reaction to reading the OP here. I feel like I started reading in the middle of a conversation.



  • @Lorne_Kates said:

    Maybe I need more coffee, but... wat?

    This:

    It's a tweet. Anything prepended with a # is a hashtag. Anything prepended with an @ is a twitter account.

    What's with the redundant redundancy from the Redundant Department of Redundancy Department in that message?


    Edit: It is a tweet isn't it? I was presuming it was...



  • Heh. I didn't know Canadian cops were as bad as US cops.



  • @PJH said:

    What's with the redundant redundancy from the Redundant Department of Redundancy Department in that message?

    I presumed that they were pointing out that the hashtag was supposed to be about that. People put hashtags in for all sorts of reasons.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I wonder which Toronto politician is in the list. I should really download that, it sounds like fascinating statistical and data work.


  • SockDev

    @boomzilla said:

    @PJH said:
    What's with the redundant redundancy from the Redundant Department of Redundancy Department in that message?

    I presumed that they were pointing out that the hashtag was supposed to be about that. People put hashtags in for all sorts of reasons.

    #I #can't #say #I've #ever #noticed #that #before.



  • @boomzilla said:

    I presumed that they were pointing out that the hashtag was supposed to be about that. People put hashtags in for all sorts of reasons.

    I assumed it was the difference between "this post is categorized as XXX", and "when you are categorizing posts related to this, use XXX"



  • @Weng said:

    I wonder which Toronto politician is in the list. I should really download that, it sounds like fascinating statistical and data work.

    Ohhhh... Pleasedon'tbeFordpleasedon'tbeFordpleasedon'tbeFord.

    shudder



  • @boomzilla said:

    I feel like I started reading in the middle of a conversation.

    You did. It's a conversation that's been going on for a while now. Here's how it goes:

    Woman online: {literally anything}
    Online mob: FUCK YOU BITCH I WILL RAPE AND MURDER AND RAPE YOU!
    Online mob: HERE IS YOUR HOME ADDRESS AND PICTURES OF YOUR FRONT PORCH BITCH I AM COMING TO FUCKING MURDER YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WHILE YOU WATCH!

    {Woman goes to police}
    Woman: Someone has made a credible threat against my life, and I am afraid.
    Police: Online? Please, that isn't real life.
    Woman: They have information about where I live and photos. I fear for my safety.
    Police: Have you tried just turning the computer off and ignoring it? It will go away.
    Woman: These threats are showing up non-stop, in my personal email, my professional life, being sent to my friends and family
    Police: We really don't have the resources to follow up on this. No one actually even knows how computers work. We wouldn't even know where to start
    Woman: This behavior isn't acceptable. People are threatening to kill me. That is a crime! A literal, actual crime.
    Police: It's just some boys online. People will be silly online.
    Woman: RAPE AND MURDER THREATS!
    Police: Sorry, i can't do anything until something happens in the real world.
    Woman: You mean when I'm raped and murdered?
    Police: {shrug} Maybe if you didn't provoke them, they wouldn't be so mad.

    {woman leaves police station no better off than she was. Worse in fact, since she knows she has no help or recourse}

    Repeat this every fucking day for any woman who dares to say anything "unacceptable".

    Compare this to the Ashley Madison "hack".

    Hackers: We have data that might embarrass some rich white men. We've sent extortion letters!
    Police: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! Mobilize fucking EVERYTHING! Find these people. Offer half-million dollar rewards! Press conferences, NOW! Top priority. Drop everything else. We can find them. We WILL find them. This is absolutely unacceptable, even though it's all online and hasn't happened "in the real world". Forget death and rape threats. Forget asking them "why was your information on a cheater's website to begin with". This isn't their fault, and they are VICTIMS! VICTIMS!



  • @DCRoss said:

    Ohhhh... Pleasedon'tbeFordpleasedon'tbeFordpleasedon'tbeFord.

    shudder

    If it was, no one would be shocked. And the police wouldn't give half a rat's ass.



  • Ah. Of course, it all depends on your definition of "credible." Stuff like identity theft (which is probably the angle the cops are approaching the AM stuff from) is prevalent enough that it's automatically credible.

    Real question: how many online rape / death threats have actually resulted in something being carried through? The most common thing seems to be SWATTING, which seems to be starting to get the attention of police. IOW, if the actual carrying out of online threats is so low, how do you justify them as actually credible?



  • @boomzilla said:

    IOW, if the actual carrying out of online threats is so low, how do you justify them as actually credible?

    If someone sends you a death threat, then it's uttering death threats. Which is a crime. Therefore it's credible, because a crime has been committed.

    So either:

    1. The person is intended on carrying it out, in which case you stopped a rape and murder
    2. The person is just making the threat, so you can nail them on uttering death threats. You set an example for other people looking to do the same. You make the victim's life better. You teach an anonymous snot that you can't just make death threats and laugh it off. You discourage the behavior.

    Or:

    1. You do nothing, send the victim away and call it a day, otherwise, it'll be hard to track down the person making the threat. You have an open case for an extended period of time. It counts against your department's numbers, and you get yelled at by your supervisor.


  • Online harassment is real and it's illegal. But it also tends to be formless.

    Stealing something from a company is likely more obvious and easy to follow, and there's more money involved, so it isn't surprising it gets more attention.

    Racist sexists can say what they want, but individuals are always going to be passed over in favor of larger entities.



  • @Lorne_Kates said:

    If someone sends you a death threat, then it's uttering death threats. Which is a crime. Therefore it's credible, because a crime has been committed.

    That sounds like legal bullshit to me. I have no idea who these guys are, but I found this definition:

    The term credible threat means a threat that is “ real and immediate, not conjectural or hypothetical.” Kegler v. United States DOJ, 436 F. Supp. 2d 1204, 1212 (D. Wyo. 2006)

    Some other interesting reading from a guy who knows his way around American speech issues:

    Of course, with the Internet, there are also likely to be some serious jurisdictional issues.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    @Lorne_Kates said:

    Woman online: {literally anything}
    Online mob: FUCK YOU BITCH I WILL RAPE AND MURDER AND RAPE YOU!

    Careful, the gamergate apologists will hijack the entire thread into a discussion of ethics in games journalism 🚎



  • Oh look, it's the hyperbigot back again to protect the masses from wrongthink!



  • @boomzilla said:

    Ah. Of course, it all depends on your definition of "credible." Stuff like identity theft (which is probably the angle the cops are approaching the AM stuff from) is prevalent enough that it's automatically credible.

    Death threats are criminal harassment regardless of what communication technology was used to deliver them.


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