Filling Station: Please Discharge all Static Before Entering
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I'm done with this fucking bullshit.
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If you want a write-only medium, may I suggest you open a blog?
If you post dumb shit, people are going to call you on it.
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Also, do you have any idea how alarmist California is? There are custom warnings on everything just to satisfy California laws. Saying California considers something dangerous is pretty meaningless to an American (at least those of us outside California).
The hell you say...
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On UK petrol pumps there is a little lever at the back of the handle, that don't see to do anything when you "fiddle" with it.
If you take a stroll over to the pumps where the HGV's fill up. They have a similar lever and it will "lock" the pump handle down or open.
Now, you cannot use a HGV pump on your diesel car because the nozzle is larger than the recover.
It makes sense that you do not want some idiot to lock open a petrol pump. Whilst they have a "blow back sensor" which cuts the flow when the tank is fill(ish), that ain't gonna work if some idiot drops it on the floor.
Diesel is not as volatile as petrol. It is almost impossible to cause it to ignite.
Petrol OTOH, will ignite when the vapour thing is right, if you look at it sideways.
Now, here's the thing. When you have a million to one chance of something happening and that involves risk of harm to people. It is not insignificant and disproportion effort (including propaganda) will be employed to prevent it
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Now, you cannot use a HGV pump on your diesel car because the nozzle is larger than the recover.
Not necessarily correct. Plenty of them are the normal size.
They do pump considerably faster though making it often result in overfilling when used to fill a car.
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Now, you cannot use a HGV pump on your diesel car because the nozzle is larger than the recover.
Really? Over here, diesel pumps are all the same size, even for HGVs. TIL.
Petrol OTOH, will ignite when the vapour thing is right, if you look at it sideways.
Meh. You are still talking about a 17 million to one shot. I prefer to not stand out in the weather while fuel is pumping, so I lock the handle and then get back in the car. I suppose if I were to constantly shuffle my feet over the carpet and then get out carefully so as to not touch anything that might ground me and then go straight to the pump and grab ahold of the metal filler nozzle right at the fuel tank...then I might have something to worry about.
I am not going to do that though. It is not something we should really concern ourselves about.
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Really? Over here, diesel pumps are all the same size, even for HGVs. TIL.
I've never encountered an HGV pump with a nozzle which was larger than a standard diesel pump. Then again, I also stopped using the HGV pumps a few years back.
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Are US pumps much slower than over here? Or the tanks much bigger?
My car's tank is 57 litres and it takes about 70 seconds to fill it from empty.
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Then again, I also stopped using the HGV pumps a few years back.
That they certainly do over here. One day I stopped in an old work truck with a 40 gallon tank and I had pumped $150 worth of fuel before I realized what had happened.
Are US pumps much slower than over here? Or the tanks much bigger?
Tanks are probably bigger, as we drive much larger vehicles.
My car's tank is 57 litres
I don't speak your booga-booga language, but my vehicle has a 20 gallon tank and it take a few minutes. Never timed it though, but it is too damned long to stand outside when it is >100F or <0F. Right now we are usually around 75-80F and I will stay outside until it is done.
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I know can happen in theory, but not only have I never seen it happen
This is the only vid of it I've ever seen, not particular impressive but quite interesting to see it happen anyway:
All that latch does is hold open the lever for you (which I'm sure people with arthritis really appreciate)
I was actually asked to help by a little old lady the other day as she couldn't hold the lever. Earlier in the year I damaged my hand and thought then it was bloody painful to hold the lever for a minute or two. So I guess it must be a real problem for quite a lot of people.
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This is the only vid of it I've ever seen, not particular impressive but quite interesting to see it happen anyway:
That is essentially what I assumed would happen, and as they talk about in the video that was worst case scenario. She was wearing wool gloves, rubbed them on her jeans, etc., and it was still pretty minimal (but no doubt scary).
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...when it is >100F or <0F...
Ah, the lovely Imperial system, based on the temperature ethyl bromide boils and almond oil freezes!
Filed under: Far too much research for that shitty joke
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Imperial system, based on the temperature ethyl bromide boils and almond oil freezes!
True shit? If so, I can add that to the TIL thread.
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Ethyl Bromide boils at 101F (which is close enough for 4 in the morning), according to this page and the almond oil thing is here.
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When you have a million to one chance of something happening and that involves risk of harm to people.
I think you misread the stats I posted: (1.7e-6)% is more like 1.7 in 100 million.
It is not insignificant and disproportion effort (including propaganda) will be employed to prevent it
Pumps across the US include warnings that you shouldn't re-enter your vehicle once you have started fueling; but if you do, make sure to discharge your static on some metal away from the filling point. Given the level of risk, the warning seems sufficient.
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I don't see why.
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the issue they have in the US, where someone could get back into the car while refuelling, which creates a static charge, then you get a spark and fwoof!
Which leads to the suggestion that is often made, not entirely in jest, that cellphones are safe to use at the gas pump, but people wearing nylon underwear should be required to remove it before pumping gas.
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I don't see why.
Apparently for @RaceProUK hurling abuse left and right is a-okay as long as it's the Good Guys yelling at the Bad Guys. Or maybe it's that time of the month, I'unno.
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What are fuel stations in Poland like, anyways?
Are they also as advanced as those in Andorra, Germany and the USA?
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What are fuel pumps in Poland like, anyways?
Same as the UK, methinks. You need to hold the trigger for the fuel to flow, and it automatically bounces if the nozzle is submerged in fuel.
That said, I've only ever filled gas canisters for a motorbike and lawnmower, and even that not very often. So I don't claim to have much experience with those.
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Our drivers are usually somewhat sensible - and our lobbyists are doing a good job at safeguarding our car-related freedoms.
And I never heard of someone who blew up a fuel station that way.
Filed under: UNLIMITED AUTOBAHN SPEED
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I actually used a station with auto shutoff for the first time this summer, as we had a day trip to Andorra.
In the EU, fuel only flows as long as you're holding the whatchacallit.
Andorra is not part of EU.
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Heavy Goods Vehicle, aka Large Goods Vehicle.
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I could use my dad's Audi!
As long as you shave your hair, wear a tracksuit and blast rap music out of your windows.
Filed under: actually I think techno is more popular now
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Nope. I'm with @RaceProUK on this one. It was on TV, after all.
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Germans storming into Poland? What could possibly go wrong?
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TIL
In my part of 'merica, the big boys seem to (almost) exclusively pull into completely separate gas stations... so I don't think I've seen special pumps for them.
:TheMoreYouKnow.sql:
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I almost wept with joy the first time I drove along the Garwolin bypass.
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morgen ist mein groΓer tag handschellen, seil
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@PleegWat said:
I actually used a station with auto shutoff for the first time this summer, as we had a day trip to Andorra.
In the EU, fuel only flows as long as you're holding the whatchacallit.
Andorra is not part of EU.
Which is why they can have a different system.
Which is also why you can only take 200 cigarettes and 1 litre of spirits per person per trip.
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Which is why they can have a different system.
And Germany? They're as EU as you can get - yet they let you take your hands off.
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Andorra is not part of EU.
Right; she's the mother-in-law from Bewitched. Someone's really confused.
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Heavy Goods Vehicle, aka Large Goods Vehicle.
You mean a ... truck?
Those are both terrible names. Is the vehicle heavy/large? Or the good inside the vehicle? You can't tell!
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@RaceProUK said:
back into the car while refuelling, which creates a static charge, then you get a spark and fwoof
Whaaaat? Is that a thing that actually can happen?I get static shocks all the time exiting/entering my vehicle, I'm sure it wouldn't be good if it happened near an operating fuel nozzle. Though mine's a diesel and static discharges don't have much of an effect on that type of fuel. (In fact, back in my more pyromaniac days growing up on the farm (otherwise known as garbage day to any city-dwellers), I almost always had to start a small gasoline fire and use that to light the bigger diesel fire
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back in my more pyromaniac days growing up on the farm
I find myself wondering if you have any experience with a... oh 5% desiel/95% Amonium Nitrate mixture as part of your "pyromaniac days"
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Unfortunately no. We did livestock, not crops, so we typically didn't have any of the more interesting fertilizers on hand. I only got to play with diesel fuel.
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is this notification for?
Takes me to this post which is linked to this post, neither of which are mine?
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Now where's that Kirk/Discourse meme when you need it?
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This one?
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Sometimes you can. If the goods are light, they use a bigger trailer. Because of regulations and the like the only direction is up.
There actually I a Light Goods Vehicle.
Its all based on the axle weight. LGVs are up to 7 tons and HGV up to 40 tons (old uk weight)
You can get around the weight thing by adding an extra axle - max of three, normally two for the trailer. IIRC.So we don't have "18 wheelers", thus making all our truckers unable to identify themselves with the (perceived) trucking community you have in the States, and look / sound a bit silly trying to emulate it. Although,some get pretty creative. But, fundamentally, you would have to look pretty hard for two points in the UK that are more than a day apart
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@PleegWat said:
Which is why they can have a different system.
And Germany? They're as EU as you can get - yet they let you take your hands off.
Things are always different for you when you're paying. Often de facto if not de jure.
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Yes, there quite of is. Especially during a lorry driver's strike
Oh, btw. A lorry is a generic term for anything that is not a car, van, or bus - a bit like a truck. I seem to have a recollection that a (vehicle) truck has a very specific meaning. I think it is an open backed LGV
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