Mrguyorama defends Gibberish


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    Windows installers/updaters have never acknowledged the availability of dual boot...

    it's almost like they don't want you using their software for anything other than their OS....



  • @accalia said:

    it's almost like they don't want you using their software for anything other than their OS....

    That's fair. But...What about using my hardware for something else?


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    they don't want you to do that either, but they don't yet have much of a legal leg to stand on for that.


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    @boomzilla said:

    What about using my hardware for something else?

    Let's get a Ouija board and see what this guy has to say about that...



  • @accalia said:

    Windows installers/updaters have never acknowledged the availability of dual boot...

    That's not true. That's new with Vista, I believe. Probably part of the push to get rid of BIOS.

    Windows 2000's boot loader would happily load whatever OS you had on the disk, and it was easy to configure too. I know, because I had a Windows 2000 box that had a Linux and BeOS, and I used the Microsoft boot loader, and it worked fine.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    That's not true. That's new with Vista, I believe. Probably part of the push to get rid of BIOS.

    you never tried to install XP on a machine that already dual booted windows/linux.

    XP would blindly overwrite your bootloader with its own on install, meaning you either had to make sure you installed XP first or had a bootdisk to force a boot to the linux side to restore your linux bootloader that knew about both windows and linux.

    I cant speak for w2k, but i assume it operates the same way, in that it is capable of launching other OSes but on install it would only have windows configured, regardless of what else was installed.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    That's not true. That's new with Vista, I believe. Probably part of the push to get rid of BIOS.

    I call bullshit on that one.

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    Windows 2000's boot loader would happily load whatever OS you had on the disk, and it was easy to configure too. I know, because I had a Windows 2000 box that had a Linux and BeOS, and I used the Microsoft boot loader, and it worked fine.

    Maybe Windows 2000, but I know for certain that XP did not play well with Linux. I constantly had issues with dual-booting Linux.


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    @Polygeekery said:

    I constantly had issues with dual-booting Linux.

    ah, yes i forgot about that.... yeah every service pack or update that updated the XP bootloader would also nuke your bootloader....


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    @accalia said:

    yeah every service pack or update that updated the XP bootloader would also nuke your bootloader....

    Not to mention that Windows Defender or whatever it was called would sometimes flag it as a virus.

    Now, for blakey to come and call bullshit on that due to the fact that I cannot find an obscure bit of information from 15 years ago.


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    @Polygeekery said:

    Not to mention that Windows Defender or whatever it was called would sometimes flag it as a virus.

    I never had that issue as i stopped dual booting by W8

    i did have issues with Microsoft Security Essentials complaining about the grub bootloader though. :trolleybus:


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    @accalia said:

    i did have issues with Microsoft Security Essentials complaining about the grub bootloader though.

    That's the one. They change the name so often that I cannot keep them all straight.


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    @Polygeekery said:

    They change the name so often that I cannot keep them all straight.

    i only recall the one change, and that was when it went from an additional download to a builtin.



  • @accalia said:

    you never tried to install XP on a machine that already dual booted windows/linux.

    No I didn't, but that's not the point.

    The point is: what you said is a lie. Hopefully from ignorance and not malice.



  • @Polygeekery said:

    ention that Windows Def

    Look, none of this XP bullshit matters. Accalia used the word "always". Do you people not know what the word "always" means?


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    @blakeyrat said:

    Accalia used the word "always".

    No she didn't. She used the word "never". Let me quote it again for your reference.

    @accalia said:

    Windows installers/updaters have never acknowledged the availability of dual boot...

    it's almost like they don't want you using their software for anything other than their OS....

    No "always".


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    @blakeyrat said:

    The point is: what you said is a lie.

    and i suppose the fact that Windopws XP, Vista and Windows7 were constantly complaining about using a non MS bootloader (Grub) and/or blindly overwriting the non MS bootloader without warning means that windows is perfectly happy with dual/multiboot systems?



  • @accalia said:

    and i suppose the fact that Windopws XP, Vista and Windows7 were constantly complaining about using a non MS bootloader (Grub) and/or blindly overwriting the non MS bootloader without warning means that windows is perfectly happy with dual/multiboot systems?

    The statement you are making now is not the statement I am calling a lie.



  • Thanks, pedantic dickweed, but you know what I meant. She used a word that meant "for all time", regardless of what that exact word was, that's why the statement was a lie.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    Thanks, pedantic dickweed

    You are welcome.

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    but you know what I meant.

    I take your words literally, and without interpretation, because that is how you roll.

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    She used a word that meant "for all time", regardless of what that exact word was,

    Fair enough, but I allow for interpretation with other people, because that is how we humans work and communicate.

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    that's why the statement was a lie.

    Not by my classification. At worst, she spoke too absolutely. In reality though, most people would realize that she did not mean "since the Big Bang and until the heat death of the universe".



  • @Polygeekery said:

    Not by my classification. At worst, she spoke too absolutely. In reality though, most people would realize that she did not mean "since the Big Bang and until the heat death of the universe".

    It's not like she's talking about oxygen. Microsoft has only existed for a very short amount of time (less than the lifetime of most(?) of the posters here), and Windows for even shorter. And fully half its history was before Windows XP. Surely it's not that hard to keep track of when the word "always" applies.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    The statement you are making now is not the statement I am calling a lie.

    fine then! i will admit that it is possible that windows 2k was happy to dualboot and that it is possible that its installer was sufficiently happy with dual boot systems to autoconfigure the windows bootloader correctly when other operating systems were already installed. that is wqithing the realm of possiblity.

    thank you for your needless pedantry about a minor point of my statement, truely i am enlightened from my ignorance!

    now will you please stop calling me a lair for being unaware of a fact that was, in my personal opinion, irelevant to my point which was about windows installers not trusting, liking, or using non windows bootloaders without giving you the option of configuring the system to retain the non-windows bootloader.

    Thanks.



  • I'll think about it. I like the word "liar".

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    @blakeyrat said:

    I like the word "liar".

    i'll make note of that the next time i am in possession of knowledge that i can use to twist your statements to the point where i can apply that word to you. Actually, i won't because i try very hard not to be a flaming asshole and like to think that i actually manage a fair degree of success on that score.

    I don't like that word and would really appreciate it if you would stop using that word constantly when anyone who was actually parsing the statement in context would have understood my intent.

    Yes, my feathers are rustled! thanks for noticing!



  • @accalia said:

    I don't like that word and would really appreciate it if you would stop using that word constantly when anyone who was actually parsing the statement in context would have understood my intent.

    What context did I miss, exactly, that made the word "never" mean something other than "never"?

    Maybe if you explain that, I won't make the same "mistake" in the future. Am I supposed to telepathically know what versions of Windows you've used and what you haven't?

    If you want me to not miss the context, you're going to have to tell me what the context I missed was. Because I missed it. (If it even exists; which personally I believe it does not. But hey: open mind.)


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    @accalia said:

    Yes, my feathers are rustled!

    I believe you were looking for the word "ruffled". Are your jimmies rustled? :stuck_out_tongue:


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    Blakey, you know what, fuck off...

    You called me a liar for using an absolute that was at best misguided through ignorance. You could have simply informed me that windows 2k did not behave the way i described using my absolute and given me a chance to integrate that information or expand upon my point.

    Instead you chose to attack me by calling me a liar and forcing me to defend my position, a position that while not absolutely true has merit with more recent windows versions.

    This cannot lead to productive conversation as is and i firmly believe that you will neither back down from your position nor acknowledge that i could possibly take offence at your words. As such i bid you good day and will quit this discussion forthwith as you have put me in a position where i have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

    good day!



  • @blakeyrat said:

    What context did I miss, exactly, that made the word "never" mean something other than "never"?

    Humanity. And the ways we communicate with each other.

    I'm also putting off upgrading to 10 because I'm sure it will barf all over my boot loader like it did when I upgraded from 8 to 8.1, BTW.



  • Why of all the people in the universe would Accalia care what I think of her, that's the most amazing thing about this entire conversation to me.

    Oh well.

    Status: going to work. Departing exactly as late as our all-hands meeting yesterday afternoon ran late. Yes, I'm way behind on my work, but fuck them! They don't respect my time, I don't respect theirs.



  • Never been here before & I find accalia + blakey drama :popcorn:


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    @boomzilla said:

    I'm also putting off upgrading to 10 because I'm sure it will barf all over my boot loader like it did when I upgraded from 8 to 8.1, BTW.

    I can't upgrade yet, because they do not support an in-place free upgrade for 8.1 Enterprise, and for some goddamned reason 10 has not shown up in the Volume Licensing Service Center. Maybe they only do that after it has moved on from the Discorelease stage?


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    @blakeyrat said:

    Why of all the people in the universe would Accalia care what I think of her

    i don't care what you think of me.

    I care when you slander me and my reputation needlessly by calling me a liar when based on the knowledge i had available to access me at the time and in casual conversation i used an absolute, to whit the word never, to describe a behavior of your favorite operating system.

    You had many ways to handle my misinformation, you chose to slander me by calling me a liar, assuming i had access to all the information in your head when i did not. That is what i care about.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Why of all the people in the universe would Accalia care what I think of her, that's the most amazing thing about this entire conversation to me.

    Some people aren't as socially dysfunctional as you are.




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  • @Polygeekery said:

    Maybe they only do that after it has moved on from the Discorelease stage?

    Makes sense. Let the plebes work out the bugs in the crypto-beta version so they can release something good for the category of customers who pays the bills.


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    you're welcome..... :imp:
    /me looks for other nightmare inducing do not want meme pictures



  • Can I also point out how ridiculously hard it is to configure the Windows bootloader without third-party tools?

    Imagine how great Microsoft products could be if they weren't so strongly committed to their vendor lock-in.



  • @accalia said:

    to whit the word never, to describe a behavior of your favorite operating system.

    Liar.
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    Windows installers/updaters have never acknowledged the availability of dual boot...

    Windows doesn't refer to a singular operating system, but actually refers to several different operating systems, in different families in fact, released by the Microsoft Corporation, as well as an application that would run on top of a completely separate Operating System. It wasn't until Windows 95 that it could reasonably be called an operating system at all.


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    @accalia said:

    good day!

    I like to imagine you smoking a pipe, a la Bilbo Baggins talking to Gandalf, as you say that.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    Departing exactly as late as our all-hands meeting yesterday afternoon ran late.

    What if you run into extra traffic on the way to work? You should depart on time, and then wait in your car in the parking lot until you've "made up" the lost time.


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    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Shipping between arch-enemies.

    Accayrat? blakeylia? Eeww. Worst. Shipping. Ever.


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    @accalia said:

    I care when you slander me and my reputation needlessly by calling me a liar

    You, ah, you don't think there's actually a single person on this forum who would believe you're a liar just because notorious redefiner of words @Blakeyrat called you one, do you?


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    @FrostCat said:

    I like to imagine you smoking a pipe, a la Bilbo Baggins talking to Gandalf, as you say that.

    Really? I see this:



  • That's what I find so funny. Who cares what I think? I don't even care what I think.


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    @Polygeekery said:

    @FrostCat said:
    I like to imagine you smoking a pipe, a la Bilbo Baggins talking to Gandalf, as you say that.

    Really? I see this:

    Ooh, that works too. now give him a pipe....


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    @FrostCat said:

    Ooh, that works too. now give him a pipe....

    With some of Gandalf's magic herb in it.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Who cares what I think? I don't even care what I think.

    Many aren't sure that you even do think.



  • @Polygeekery said:

    for some goddamned reason 10 has not shown up in the Volume Licensing Service Center

    I didn't believe that, so I checked. It's there.

    Oh, were you expecting it to sort after 7 and 8? Silly you. VLSC is a POS.



  • @accalia said:

    I care when you slander me and my reputation needlessly by calling me a liar

    This is a written conversation, so technically that would be libel, not slander.


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