Filofax thinks I'm french? Also shitty Android <-> Exchange integration


  • mod

    Looking over filofax organizers, on their USA website, their product suggestions suddenly sourced from their French website:

    Clicking the first one takes me to http://www.filofax.fr/metropol-zipped-portfolio-827130.html , yet I was browsing at http://www.filofaxusa.com/daisies-organiser-0225-poc-167po.html#year=2015&color=Multi



  • I can see the :wtf: here; you should have been redirected to the 1980's.



  • You want a PalmPilot™ with that???



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    Looking over filofax organizers,

    ... why?


  • mod

    Wanted to see what was out there. I'm looking at the wallet-sized ones, to keep in my purse.



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    to keep in my purse.

    Right next to your phone?



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    I'm looking at the wallet-sized ones, to keep in my purse.

    ... for the purposes of...?

    Do you just need ballast? Because you could rinse off some gravel for cheaper.


  • mod

    Yeah, lately I spend a lot of time in crap internet areas so I wanted a paper backup :)

    Probably a notepad will do me, but I figured I'd see what's out there



  • Ah I see the problem.

    My phone has this thing called "storage". It can remember and present previously-entered information even when there's no Internet connection. It's a miracle of technology.


  • mod

    You've never done the multiple-minute phone dance of "okay hang on... new appointment... shit wrong day, I wanted one on the day I was viewing, not today... okay, enter name of place....this location, the location where I'm standing. Right now. Literally-- fuck it, I'll put the location later. Okay, make it two hours, not one. Save... what do you mean error while saving, wtf?" while a receptionist gives you pitying looks?



  • Not really, but I don't see how a piece of paper would make that process easier. It'd just be "wrong page" instead of "wrong day".

    And if you get error while saving, buy a less shitty phone.



  • Just a few days ago amazon.com tried to redirect me to their Italian website, despite me being nowhere near Italy, not having anything in my computer set to Italian, and never having bought anything there.

    And when IE8 launched, the website you had to use to add search engines (i.e. where people went to replace the stupid Live Search with Google) always showed in French. Despite not having anything in my computer set to French etc. That one might have been intentional... :tinfoil:.



  • In her defense, writing notes on paper is generally still more practical than writing them on a phone.

    @blakeyrat said:

    My phone has this thing called "storage". It can remember and present previously-entered information even when there's no Internet connection. It's a miracle of technology.

    "That's too confusing for common users, we should get rid of it" - Google



  • @anonymous234 said:

    In her defense, writing notes on paper is generally still more practical than writing them on a phone.

    So narrate them to Cortana. Sure you look like a moron, but it works.



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    multiple-minute phone

    What ? no!
    I can't see how you'd get that to last several minutes. If it does you're using a shitty app. I really like business calendar (2 i think). I liked it enough that i actually bought it.



  • 2 phones?

    You could synch them with IR - just for that 80's look and feel :)



  • @blakeyrat said:

    So narrate them to Cortana. Sure you look like a moron, but it works.

    I thought we were working under the assumption that net access was spotty? Arbitrary Voice recognition data doesn't exactly fit on your phone..

    * preemptive ftfy



  • Again, she might want to buy a PalmPilot™. Those had an IR port.


  • mod

    Today I discovered that even though my doctor's appointment saved, it tried to do so on my Exchange calendar, which it shouldn't be doing and can't actually write to. The appointment isn't on my Google calendar where appointments go, nor is it visible from Outlook because it didn't upload correctly, so basically it only exists on my phone. The damn thing won't let me move it to the other calendar, either, so I have to recreate it.

    Clearly, smartphones are reliable as shit and there's never a valid use case for using paper.

    ETA:

    Okay, wtf? It's the same day as a meeting it might make me late for, which my calendar didn't feel like showing me. I click on the day, and now that meeting shows up, but my appointment does not. But then I click it again, and both show up. I click it again, and my appointment shows up but not the meeting. What in the actual fuck is happening?!

    Oh, and to top it all off, things that are actually on my work calendar show up twice, for god knows what reason. When I first add my work calendar, it pulls down every appointment that exists, but no matter how often I sync, it won't bring down any appointment made after that point or remove meetings that are cancelled. Nor does it have an error; it just doesn't update. Silently. So I have to re-add the calendar every week or so just to get an updated look that's almost, but not quite, accurate. I'm not certain we're actually allowed to connect our smartphones to the exchange server, it's one of those things everyone does but is technically probably against policy, so I can't go to the helpdesk and ask about it. But somehow everyone else's phone works but not mine. Maybe because I don't sync emails?


  • sockdevs

    and this is why paper > cellphone/electronics for keeping calendars


  • mod

    The best answer seems to be to make the appointment from a PC, where I can be sure it's saving where I wanted it to be, but which I can't do while standing at the doctor's office. I was thinking about getting a wallet-sized filofax, replacing my wallet with it (they have card slots and billfolds in them at that size), and keeping a To-Do list and some blank lined pages where I could jot down appointment information to enter when I'm back at my desk.


  • sockdevs

    i'd recommend it. That certainly worked well for me until i wore my el-cheapo one out. now i have an el-cheapo trifold that i stick some post its in and call it close enough.... they don't make filofaxes small enough to replace a trifold though so unless i start carrying a purse again i don't think i'm going to be switching back.



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    Maybe because I don't sync emails?

    Create an account in Android and point it to exchange. This will create both mail & calendar syncing. If it works just disable the mail. Or like I did, disable all notifications and set a low retention. That way if I need my work mail I can get it but I hardly use it.


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    @Luhmann said:

    Create an account in Android and point it to exchange. This will create both mail & calendar syncing. If it works just disable the mail.

    That's literally exactly what I did to get to this state :/

    I'm beginning to suspect that if you don't sync mails, it will never update your calendar, because calendar updates are intrinsically paired with emails in Exchange. Which would mean people could contact me about work stuff at home on a push, rather than my current system where if I'm expecting an email I pull via the web client. Which would mean more stress and working from home. I maybe can set it up to sync emails but

    @Luhmann said:

    disable all notifications and set a low retention

    but still, it's not a good solution IMO



  • @accalia said:

    start carrying a purse again

    something like ...
    [spoiler]

    [/spoiler]



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    but still, it's not a good solution IMO

    hmm you could be onto something ... but I guess that's what you get for doing it wrong :blush:


  • sockdevs

    @Luhmann said:

    @accalia said:
    start carrying a purse again

    something like ...
    [spoiler]

    [/spoiler]

    yip yip kyon gekker!



  • @Eldelshell said:

    You want a PalmPilot™ with that???

    Nah, this obviously calls for a Rolodex.



  • I'm sticking with Yami's phone is broken as shit.



  • I used to have that kind of shit.
    It went away the moment I ditched Exchange.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Discourse thinks that this topic is interesting to me and worth necroing…

    @Yamikuronue said:

    I'm beginning to suspect that if you don't sync mails, it will never update your calendar, because calendar updates are intrinsically paired with emails in Exchange.

    I've found that Exchange works well for mail, so long as you only use it as an IMAP system and leave that calendaring well alone. :confounded: I don't know why most calendaring is such a pile of suck, but it is. The calendaring system that does seem to work well across a range of devices is Google Calendar, and I suspect that's because they both mostly stick fairly close to the standard and provide a service large enough and popular enough that all the calendar client makers actually bother to test with them.


  • mod

    My use case is this:

    1. Everyone at work uses Outlook, which makes sense in a corporate environment, as it's all configured and it just works
    2. Outlook is the official place to schedule meetings, as the conference rooms have calendars there
    3. I do not have a company-issued blackberry
    4. I use Google Calendar to schedule things like vacation, doctors appointments, social events, et cetera
    5. When I need to schedule a follow-up doctor's appointment, I want to avoid missing any meetings at work as well as overlapping social events.

    So I need Exchange calendar on my phone. I most emphatically do not want emails on my phone, because then people can suck me into working after I've gone home. But I had to turn them on and then disable all notifications in order to get calendar updates because syncing with Exchange pulls down no new information; you're intended to get the full state when you connect, then keep it up to date with incremental changes sent via email instead. Which is bullshit.

    Since we last spoke, I haven't had it go out of sync again now that emails are on. I've also got it hooked up with Sunrise Calendar so I can see all my calendars at once. So I think that's this whole mess sorted.


  • area_deu

    @accalia said:

    and this is why paper > cellphone/electronics for keeping calendars

    Until you lose the paper. Or have it in your other purse. Or have to enter a meeting series. Or would like someone who is not standing next to you right now to come along. Or would like to have someone know if you are free on a given day without calling you every single time. Or have to copy all those birthdays and wedding days and anniversaries to next year.

    I gave up paper calendars when the original Palm Pilot came out, and never looked back.
    I started laughing at people trying to keep their paper calendars up-to-date when I upgraded my then-current Palm (III? V? Tungsten? can't remember) to my first smartphone that would sync to my Exchange calendar over the air back in... 2004?

    Also, I use Exchange calendaring extensively without any major problems.


  • sockdevs

    /me waves her cane vigorously at @ChrisH

    You young whippersnapper and your technology! Paper was good for my nan! and for her nan before her! and by gumbo it's good enough for me! now get of my lawn!


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @accalia said:

    Paper was good for my nan NaN!

    FTFY…



  • @ChrisH said:

    Also, I use Exchange calendaring extensively without any major problems.

    This.

    Also I don't see the need for paper calendars anymore.



  • I like paper for birthdays. I've got a calendar next to the toilet purely for that.

    I do not need to copy anything to next year either.


  • area_deu

    @PleegWat said:

    I like paper for birthdays. I've got a calendar next to the toilet purely for that.

    What if you are on vacation for four weeks?


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    @accalia said:

    Paper was good for my nan!

    That's because it's all she had! If you cast a resurrection spell on her and showed her electronic calendaring, she'd take that cane from your hands, smack you over the head with it, and tell you to throw your wooden shoes away, and not into machinery, either!

    I mean, assuming she didn't get all high-and-mighty about being resurrected and started yelling at you about witchcraft.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    Shots fired.

    FWIW, I use Today Calendar exclusively on android, synched to my Google account. Works fine for me...



  • I do not see the problem?



  • Senokot or Imodium, I forget which does what now. Take both just be be on the safe side.



  • @PleegWat said:

    I've got a calendar next to the toilet purely for that.

    Oh ... I always thought that sort of thing was just a backup plan in case someone ran out of toilet paper


  • area_deu

    Then you must have a much better memory than me. Or far fewer friends and relatives.



  • @ChrisH said:

    Or far fewer friends and relatives you care about.

    FTFY



  • Have you ever tried taking notes on your phone while talking to someone on that same phone?



  • Either use a headset or or switch to the loudspeaker function - my phone has a feature that if you change from holding to your ear to lying it on the table, it does that automatically.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Does it give access to apps while you're using the phone function? (I've never checked whether mine does; after all, my ear isn't very good at typing or swyping. ;))


  • area_deu

    @RandomStranger said:

    Have you ever tried taking notes on your phone while talking to someone on that same phone?

    Yes. That's what tablets are for.



  • Mine does. Every smartphone I've ever owned has.


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