Sexiïst air conditioning


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    Filed under: [Some like it hot](#tag), [Check your sweater privilege](#tag)


  • Uh, don't 'Murican thermostats have a temperature control on them? If you have an office full of women and they complain it's too cold, just crank the temperature up?


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    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Uh, don't 'Murican thermostats have a temperature control on them? If you have an office full of women and they complain it's too cold, just crank the temperature up?

    The article is from ars UK, though ...



  • In larger office buildings the control is often central and not done by the people on the floor.



  • And any request to change the temperature will be processed in 3 to 5 business days?



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    And any request to change the temperature will be processed in 3 to 5 business days?

    I wouldn't be surprised.

    It's like these buildings that have automated sun screens, but then require people inside to turn on the lights.



  • A woman left our company because the air con was too cold. She sat at her desk wearing a hat and scarf for a few weeks to make a point.

    She wasn't a great loss.



  • @aliceif said:

    The article is from ars UK, though ...

    We have temperature controls in UK offices, though passive aggressiveness shines through here at Vandelay Industries, it's either too hot or too cold in my part of the office with people surreptitiously tweaking it one way or the other over the course of the year.

    Can't wait to see what our new office has in store for us....



  • The thread reminded me to kill the ac above me ... thanks!



  • My employer solved the problem by forbidding AC except for special rooms. Working on a hot summer's day is a joy.





  • Ours have LCD's on them. Only the most stupid of employees would mistake the picture there for a control here.

     

     

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  • @PJH said:

    Only the most stupid of employees

    Sounds like HR needs one ...



  • Sexist? Even the article itself states that the sample is too small and further investigation is necessary.

    Anyway, I approve that this problem is mentioned. Let's hope it will be investigated further.

    OTOH, I wonder how families went along through the centuries. Or, rather since the invention of air-tight windows and thermostates.

    Nevertheless, the article forgets to mention one of the things with greatest impact on room temperature preferences: exercise.



  • @Luhmann said:

    Sounds like HR needs one ...

    Couldn't possibly comment outside of that thread.



  • I'll interpret that as a 'yes' then



  • Many air conditioners really are set too cold though.

    They should be used to reduce the temperature from hot to acceptable, not to recreate winter in summer. The guideline I've heard is no more than 12 °C below the outside temperature.





  • @anonymous234 said:

    Many air conditioners really are set too cold though.

    Two possible reasons come to my mind: "Real men" like low temperatures (even if they personally don't), and, people want the "refreshing" feeling when entering the building - who cares about the long run?



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    If you have an office full of women and they complain it's too cold, just crank the temperature up?

    Better yet, according to something I read a while back: have fake controls that aren’t connected to anything. People who feel cold will turn the thing up a degree or two and feel warmer despite the temperature not actually changing.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Manly air conditioners really are set too cold though.
     



  • @Zecc said:

    anonymous234:
    Manly air conditioners really are set too cold though.

    Not too cold. Just to the temperature manly menTM are defined to prefer.


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    @anonymous234 said:

    recreate winter in summer

    21°C all year every day in your car because gotta use that automatic aircon!



  • It's better if there's some gradation in temperature, so people can pick the place to sit where the conditions suit them.



  • @aliceif said:

    21°C

    I'd hate that. I feel too cold when I'm sitting in air with a temperature between 20°C and 22°C. 24°C are ok, and 18°C are ok, but between ...



  • @cartman82 said:

    people can pick the place

    Provided they're allowed to. Otherwise: Places facing south windows (on the northern hemisphere): interns, places under A/C outlets: females. (Female interns: both.)


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    Do they also get Intel Pentium 4 HT Extreme Edition space heaters?



  • That wouldn't be environment friendly™.

    (BTW, at my time, it was the AMDs that had a reputation for being space heaters.)


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    @Maciejasjmj said:

    And any request to change the temperature will be processed in 3 to 5 business days?

    Think 3–5 months once a committee has been convened to decide what the correct response to the building-user requests for a temperature change are to be.



  • And because it's an international megacorporation, they'll come up with one convenient room temperature for all employees all over the planet.

    (We have contacts to such corporations and trusts - every fart must be approved of in some American or Spanish megacity. And then some "One Size Fits All" is decided.)



  • Air conditioners don't do anything. They're a scam. They just make themselves cold and keep the rest of the room hot.

    Quit Whining And Put On A Goddamn Coat: My Journey - Onion Talks - Ep. 8 – 03:37
    — The Onion


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    @flabdablet said:

    Air conditioners don't do anything. They're a scam.

    You're Doing It Wrong. 😉



  • Sometimes the best thing is to close your fucking mouth and let the person who knows what the fuck he's talking about show you the answer.



  • That sounds very wise (I especially liked the shots of the audience).

    But seriously, THEY'RE ON TO US! We have to come up with something else to oppress them. Goddamn this patriarchy stuff is hard work.



  • @aliceif said:

    21°C all year every day in your car because gotta use that automatic aircon!

    I really wish the thermostat in my car had a "not more than X degrees above/below outside air" setting.

    You get all bundled up for January, then the car turns itself into a sweatbox because the dumb thermostat is set to 70 degrees. Well, yeah, 70 degrees is nice in a building, but I can't really remove my COAT while I'm driving, you idiot engineers at Ford.

    One of the reasons I got the "deluxe" model of the Fusion is my previous cars have always had basically zero electronics, I never had the thermostats before or the nav system or anything with a screen. Anyway, I'm learning that I might have been just as well, or better, off without them.



  • @aliceif said:

    Do they also get Intel Pentium 4 HT Extreme Edition space heaters?
    I did an internship at IBM literally a decade ago. There were three of us working on this project, and they put all three of us into this slightly larger room that used to house computer equipment. And because it used to have computer equipment, it was set up so that the room got a lot of cooling. Of course, once you remove the equipment it was incredibly cold. We would show up wearing jackets, and eventually they gave us a space heater. To run to compensate for the air conditioning.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    I'm learning that I might have been just as well, or better, off without them

    This is exactly why I chose a car with a manual transmission, hand-wound windows and no central locking.



  • Ok, no, that stuff sucks.

    But for example, my collision avoidance alarm thing has about 4-5 false-positives for every potential collision it's alerted me to. People who are already out of my lane of travel and making right turns seem to confuse it pretty often.

    But the bigger complaint is the lack of intelligence. I mean the entire car is computer controlled, but you can't do shit to program it. Like the thermostat thing I mentioned-- the car knows the interior temperature, it has a good estimate of the exterior temperature, but no matter how many "advanced" buttons you hit there's no way to get it to behave the way I want.

    I still think Ford designs their cars in an Arizona desert and when the desert test is good, they just assume it's good for everywhere in the world. "Roads with curves? Haha, those don't exist! Cars getting too hot in winter? How could that happen!"



  • @PWolff said:

    Nevertheless, the article forgets to mention one of the things with greatest impact on room temperature preferences: exercise.

    Can you elaborate on that? In what direction does someone's room temperature preference evolve as they exercise more?


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    @flabdablet said:

    manual transmission

    sure, why not

    @flabdablet said:

    hand-wound windows

    cheapskate

    @flabdablet said:

    central locking

    neanderthal


    My car has a dumb aircon - no displays, just dials. And it works just fine.


  • @OffByOne said:

    In what direction does someone's room temperature preference evolve as they exercise more?

    You need the less external warmth the more your muscles worked the last days.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    You get all bundled up for January, then the car turns itself into a sweatbox because the dumb thermostat is set to 70 degrees.

    So don't set your thermostat for that? That's been my solution to this scourge.



  • @aliceif said:

    My car has a dumb aircon - no displays, just dials. And it works just fine.

    I've always had "manual" A/C. But my Fusion has the "auto" temperature setting. I really like it, because I don't have to futz with the controls any more. It will start with the "Max" setting where it recycles air as a quicker way to get you to the right temp and then automatically adjust as it gets closer.

    My wife still insists on mucking around with fan speeds and shit. Ridiculous. It's not a huge thing, but it's really nice.



  • Interestingly, I actually do work better when I'm slightly cold. Keeps me more alert. There's a room in my company where they keep the lawyers, and its by far the coldest place in the building. Men and women both complain that they need jackets there, but it's really nice for me. I wish I worked in there, except for the whole lawyer thing.



  • @Magus said:

    There's a room in my company where they keep the lawyers, and its by far the coldest place in the building.

    Maybe it's not because of the A/C.



  • @Magus said:

    There's a room in my company where they keep the lawyers, and its by far the coldest place in the building.

    I SEE DEAD PEOPLE


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    @anonymous234 said:

    The guideline I've heard is no more than 12 °C below the outside temperature.

    That wouldn't be very comfortable when the outside temp gets up to 49° C. I wouldn't call 37° C a "comfortable" working temperature. Ever.



  • @PWolff said:

    You need the less external warmth the more your muscles worked the last days.

    Thanks, didn't know that. It explains why my internal thermostat doesn't match that of anyone else 😄


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    @blakeyrat said:

    I still think Ford designs their cars in an Arizona desert and when the desert test is good, they just assume it's good for everywhere in the world. "Roads with curves? Haha, those don't exist! Cars getting too hot in winter? How could that happen!"

    Both those scenarios happen in the Arizona desert. You must be thinking of somewhere else.

    Though usually when we have the hot-car-in-winter problem, it's when you first start your car. 🚎



  • For shorter stays it would be better than the sudden temperature changes though.

    At 49 ºC though you might want to start considering wearing one of these before going outside


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