Something happened




  • sockdevs

    :wtf:

    that's special



  • Well wasn't that what you ran the setup for? What exactly is your problem?



  • I like how there's no adjective at all. Something good? Something bad? Who knows.



  • I can't even get that far. Microsoft and VMware are pointing fingers at each other over the VMware SGVA driver.



  • Microsoft's installer department has Stephen King fans it seems


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Not-new-enough version of VMWare? When Win8 came out, wasn't there an issue where the then-extant versions of VirtualBox (IIRC) wouldn't work with the Win8 betas, and they had to put out a new VB?



  • Most current. And the Win10 beta ran just fine.



  • There have been several reports of this on incompatible systems, and a few that benefited from a full wipe instead of an upgrade, but neither of those sound like your case.



  • Who is Microsoft to decide for you what is good, and what is bad? Morality is relative.



  • Yesterday, when I thought I could get away with preloading before the mass download began, I tried installing build 10076 or whatever on my desktop, and after installing, it got to a screen with only a spinner on it, which moved slightly every 10 minutes for about half an hour. Hoping ~200 builds make all the difference, there.



  • @Magus said:

    and a few that benefited from a full wipe instead of an upgrade

    Is that even possible yet, officially?

    Weird, my "get Windows 10" icon just seems to have vanished right now. Not that I was intending to upgrade yet.



  • Yes it is. You can create an install medium or just upgrade in place. The servers are getting hammered though so it was quite slow.



  • Once again, P2P could have saved the day, if only people remembered it existed.



  • BUT PIRACY!!!!1!1!!one



  • I remember reading that they were going to include a mechanism for early adopters (of each update) to deliver updates to other users via P2P.



  • It was in the betas.



  • I downloaded the ISO this morning because I knew this was coming. Good thing I did.



  • The option is there, but turned off by default for machines not on your LAN. My fast track machine downloads the updates, and my slow tracks get it from that one.



  • I suspect the worry is that some of your peers will distribute hacked versions. Not piracy of an operating system they're not charging for.



  • Is it not normal for a p2p system to run copious amounts of hashes to ensure that you get the correct files?



  • They would be pretty messy otherwise :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:



  • @Kian said:

    Not piracy of an operating system they're not charging for.

    They only don't charge for upgrades.



  • I don't know enough about the different P2P systems out there to know how safe they are. Are they secured against intentional modification of the contents, or do they just run consistency checks to discard packets that were naturally corrupted?

    @Magus said:

    They only don't charge for upgrades.
    Aren't they offering it to people on pirated versions of Win7 and 8 too?



  • They haven't been totally clear on that. I don't get how it works. I know they don't mind people in the insider fast ring using it for free, since they're guinea pigs.



  • They use secure cryptographic hashes, because these kind of problems have been considered.

    @Kian said:

    Aren't they offering it to people on pirated versions of Win7 and 8 too?

    AIUI, you can upgrade them, but that doesn't make it legal.

    I still don't know how the licensing works, honestly. Can you "go back" to your previous OS? If you ever want to reinstall, would you have to install the previous OS and upgrade?



  • The outcome seemed to be that if you were prepared to keep testing it you could use it for for free for the duration, but as soon as you wanted to move to the stable version you need to have a valid license (or downgrade to a version you own).

    Originally it was suggested that pirates would get a free upgrade, and then that anyone who tested it would get a permanent key, but those were later denied.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Can you "go back" to your previous OS?

    It definitely makes a backup when you upgrade, so you can apparently revert.

    @coldandtired said:

    The outcome seemed to be that if you were prepared to keep testing it you could use it for for free for the duration, but as soon as you wanted to move to the stable version you need to have a valid license (or downgrade to a version you own).

    This is pretty much it. Insider builds are always genuine, and last a limited time. If you keep testing it for them, you stay genuine.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Is that even possible yet, officially?

    Yeah, just use the little wizard thing to build an ISO and cram it on a USB memory stick.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @dcon said:

    It was in the betas.

    It's in the release, too.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I just got the OP's "Something Happened" window on my work PC. On IE, though, so I can't just paste a screenshot (does anyone know if that's an IE limitation or Discourse? I'd guess IE).

    Thanks, Microsoft.

    ETA: It might be the case that this happens because you're not an administrator when you run the upgrade.



  • Speaking of free upgrades, does anyone know what the situation is with existing Windows keys? I've got some 7 and 8 keys (as well as a truckload for Vista and XP) from MSDNAA (in addition to what I have currently installed), and it'd be nice if I could use them for Windows 10 installs in the future.



  • 7 and 8 get the upgrade free for the next year, so you can definitely use them. Anything earlier? No luck.



  • I know the vista and xp keys are useless now; that's not what I'm concerned with. What I want to know is, how does the mechanism for upgrading the license actually work? If it only works by upgrade, does that mean I won't be able to reinstall Windows 10 after the first year without buying a new license? Will my "upgraded" Windows 7 key work for reinstalling 10 at a later time? Will I get a brand new 10 key after upgrading my existing system?



  • From what I can tell, your 7 key gets upgraded, and can continue to be used. You seem to be able to do that even from a fresh install, but I haven't tried that because I didn't have any 7 machines.



  • I have no idea. I asked when they made the announcement two months ago and nobody had any idea. Surely someone must know by now?

    But I think the "upgrade" is per device. So if you have an old computer that will have to be upgraded soon, like me, though luck, you can't transfer your W10 license.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Magus said:

    From what I can tell, your 7 key gets upgraded, and can continue to be used. You seem to be able to do that even from a fresh install, but I haven't tried that because I didn't have any 7 machines.

    When you do the download now, you can make an ISO. You should be able to use that later, if you've already upgraded your key.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    I like how there's no adjective at all. Something good? Something bad? Who knows.

    It's funny because it means that something you wanted to happen didn't.



  • Well, I downloaded the media creation tool, and it seems your screen still manages to be more informative than mine:



  • I absolutely for the life of me have not been able to understand this whole "free upgrade" stuff, so I'm just going to pull a key off of Dreamspark and do it the old fashioned way



  • What's not to understand?



  • Do I lose the ability to register a Windows 7 install using the upgraded key? Or can I never downgrade? Windows 7 is my preferred right now, and I likely won't upgrade to 10 until my next major computer purchase.

    This is of course, because I stupidly forgot to set some space aside on my harddrive for it.



    • Have Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 installed. Genuine copies will remain genuine, non-genuine copies will remain non-genuine.
    • Make sure it's not Enterprise.
    • Before July 29, 2016, upgrade to Windows 10 from within your existing OS.

    There's not even room for Underpants Gnomes in there, jeez.



  • Okay, that much I understand, what I want to know is, if I go through this magical process, can I still use that same CD key to reinstall windows 7 if I want to downgrade?



  • You have downgrade rights for 1 month, just like with previous Windows versions. I wouldn't be surprised if that were extended to 6 months or more.



  • Have a like :thumbsup:

    Still going to get a Dreamspark key though, no reason not to



  • True, your plan is good. I was just sayin'.



  • Is it weird I directly thought of the IT Crowd episode called "Something happened"?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5FJMO_tjoc



  • @martijntje said:

    Is it weird

    Yes.



  • I had a closer look at the FAQ this morning when I was queueing the iso to download while I was at work:

    [quote=faq]Can I reinstall Windows 10 on my computer after upgrading?
    Yes. Once you’ve upgraded to Windows 10 using the free upgrade offer, you will be able to reinstall, including a clean install, on the same device. You won’t need a product key for re-activations on the same hardware. If you make a meaningful change to your hardware, you may need to contact customer support to help with activation. You’ll also be able to create your own installation media like a USB drive or DVD, and use that to upgrade your device or reinstall after you’ve upgraded. To learn more, click here.[/quote]

    So what I think this means is that I can't do the thing I wanted, which is to convert my existing keys to Windows 10 ones by upgrading a bunch of VMs. However, I think this also means that I can have an evergreen Windows 10 VM install that'll never need a key at all, in addition to the copy I install on my actual PC.

    Maybe I'll be able to do some kind of Ship of Theseus thing and upgrade gradually enough that they won't be "meaningful" changes.


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