How to troll leftists - level hard



  • TL;DR: gay rights activists criticize gay parade going through mostly-muslim territories because it's so racist.



  • LOL. Shoot the messenger!

    Cognitive dissonance is fun from the outside.



  • If you're organizing a gay pride just to piss off other people, you're abusing it pretty hard. It should be called hate pride. But hey, nobody has to join. And when they claim that they speak for gay people, just laugh in their face and tell them they're... um, not gay?

    I will read "Trolls got stones thrown at them" and not "Gays got stones thrown at them".



  • @gleemonk said:

    If you're organizing a gay pride just to piss off other people, you're abusing it pretty hard.

    No one means to piss off anyone. Just like that penguin guy didn't mean to make fun of his school principal. They just want to fight for gay rights, just like that guy wants to fight for penguin rights.

    And even if they do mean malice, the opponents' reasoning why this parade is bullshit is totally backwards.



  • @gleemonk said:

    If you're organizing a gay pride just to piss off other people, you're abusing it pretty hard.

    Which people are they really trying to piss off? Isn't one of the traditional points of pride parades to piss off certain people ("We're here, we're queer, get used to it!")?

    I would honestly be surprised if anyone shows up, because even if they're too civilized to criticize Muslims for being violent against people who do haram things, they probably aren't stupid enough not to realize it. You're just not supposed to admit that you noticed how barbarous those guys are, because that's racist.


  • BINNED

    Islam is not a race, perhaps someone likes to conflate the two and idiots buy it.



  • I'm sure you've committed some sort of microaggression here, but I'm not sure which one exactly or at whom it would be directed.



  • @boomzilla said:

    I'm sure you've committed some sort of microaggression here, but I'm not sure which

    That's racist.


  • BINNED

    For them not to be racist, perhaps they should have planned the march to go through that neighborhood, then have them all walk off of a tall building, or a broken bridge conveniently half-constructed for this purpose in that area. This is what happens when a march to fix a true phobia, clashes with a made-up phobia. Next is to get the right of women to vote away, if they happen to pass by such neighborhood more that twice a month, what else ...

    If anything the gay prides MUST go through religious neighborhoods, specially Muslim neighborhoods because Muslim countries are where LGBT suffer the most. But it is not convenient, and these useful idiots want to have everyone love them.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @boomzilla said:

    Cognitive dissonance is fun from the outside.

    Yeah, notice here in the US nobody but Steven Crowder is going into Muslim bakeries asking for a gay wedding cake. Apparently it's only bad to refuse to do that if you're not Muslim.



  • @Gaska said:

    No one means to piss off anyone. Just like that penguin guy didn't mean to make fun of his school principal.

    ?

    @Gaska said:

    They just want to fight for gay rights, [...].

    I don't believe them.

    @Gaska said:

    And even if they do mean malice, the opponents' reasoning why this parade is bullshit is totally backwards.

    Yes, they don't handle trolls well. Popcorn is warranted.

    @boomzilla said:

    Isn't one of the traditional points of pride parades to piss off certain people ("We're here, we're queer, get used to it!")?

    Yes. But here we see pride not to be a muslim. Fuck those guys. They're not trying to bring people together.

    @boomzilla said:

    [realize] Muslims [are] being violent against people who do haram things

    How could this not be understood as racist? You would have to, at the very least, qualify with "some of the" or "extremist" to even be admitted to the discussion. I understand what you are trying to say, and I agree to a large extent. I just don't see how we should let assholes take advantage of the situation to present themselves as fighters for [insert oppressed minority] when all they want is to pick a fight.

    @dse said:

    Islam is not a race

    Yes, not all the people looking like a typical muslim are muslims. Guess what racists do best? Conflate.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @boomzilla said:

    I'm sure you've committed some sort of microaggression here, but I'm not sure which one exactly or at whom it would be directed.

    It's committed against everyone who acts as if disagreement with Islam is racism, of course, because you're preventing them from shutting down discussion.



  • @dse said:

    For them not to be racist,

    So pointing out how intolerant Muslims are makes them racist?



  • @gleemonk said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Isn't one of the traditional points of pride parades to piss off certain people ("We're here, we're queer, get used to it!")?

    Yes. But here we see pride not to be a muslim. Fuck those guys. They're not trying to bring people together.

    Huh?

    @gleemonk said:

    @boomzilla said:
    [realize] Muslims [are] being violent against people who do haram things

    How could this not be understood as racist? You would have to, at the very least, qualify with "some of the" or "extremist" to even be admitted to the discussion. I understand what you are trying to say, and I agree to a large extent. I just don't see how we should let assholes take advantage of the situation to present themselves as fighters for [insert oppressed minority] when all they want is to pick a fight.

    Oh, fuck off with that qualifying bullshit. The cries of racism are by the people offended that anyone noticed [that it's dangerous to be gay in a European Muslim neighborhood]. This is as ludicrous as people getting offended when someone suggest women use common sense and learn to defend themselves.



  • @boomzilla said:

    it's dangerous to be gay in a European Muslim neighborhood

    Valid point.

    @gleemonk said:

    You would have to, at the very least, qualify with "some of the" or "extremist" to even be admitted to the discussion.

    Also valid point.

    The problem is, even if in your 1000-people neighbourhood there are 999 Nobel Peace Prize Muslim candidates and 1 guy who's gonna blow your parade up with a glob of semtex, it's still dangerous.



  • If the protesters were honest, they would have complained about the organizers looking to put parade participants in harms way. But they probably can barely admit that to themselves because it sounds so horribly Islamophobic / racist / whatever, so instead they project their revulsion at their own thoughts onto the organizers.

    If they really believed that it was simply a racist assumption of the organizers that the parade would result in violence, they'd say that and encourage people to join in order to prove the haters wrong. I suspect that even in Sweden there are few people that deluded about multicultural issues.



  • @boomzilla said:

    I suspect that even in Sweden there are few people that deluded about multicultural issues.

    I wouldn't be so sure.



  • Welp...

    • Swedish tradition does not mean that all Swedes are participating. It is certainly more Swedes who participate in the celebration of Ramadan than eating fermented herring in August and definitely more than that in Lillhärdal commemorates prayer Monday. Nevertheless, fermented herring and prayer Monday are Swedish traditions and so should also Ramadan be considered as, he says.


  • Which just shows how meaningless the whole "tradition" thing is 🚎



  • It's quibbling over the meaning of "is." OK, sure, some people in Sweden have a tradition of Ramadan. It's obviously imported and fairly recent. The weasel wording is probably a similar reflection of fear like the the people claiming racism in the OP's article.


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