Good bye Silverlight Road



  • Another nail on its coffin:

    Support for ActiveX has been discontinued in Microsoft Edge, and that includes removing support for Silverlight

    On one part I'm happy to see the last remaining strains of proprietary crap on the browser burn in flames, on the other, let's see what MS will pull out to support PlayReady on browsers.

    There's also some Schadenfreude feeling for all those people who thought SilverLight was a good idea and followed MS leash onto it



  • I can only laugh at this bullshit:

    Plug-ins like Silverlight were intended to support interoperable media by providing versions for every browser they supported.

    Right :innocent:


  • sockdevs

    well to be fair that's exactly what silverlight did.

    they provided versions of silverlight for every browser they supported.

    which was basically just IE on wondows.



  • No, the bullshit part is this:

    Plug-ins like Silverlight were intended to support interoperable media

    They were intended to extinguish any competition. The same goes for Flash and Java Applets but at least those work across platforms.


  • sockdevs

    @Eldelshell said:

    They were intended to extinguish any competition.

    and failed.

    @Eldelshell said:

    The same goes for Flash

    still is not x64 compatible

    @Eldelshell said:

    Java Applets

    #DO NOT WANT!

    hashtag-evil



  • @Eldelshell said:

    They were intended to extinguish any competition.

    They hardly even got to "embrace"...

    @Eldelshell said:

    The same goes for Flash and Java Applets but at least those work across platforms.

    Okay, in no universe are those any better.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    Okay, in no universe are those any better.

    I didn't say they were better, I've always despised Flash even when YouTube wasn't even around and it was used to show cute menus. The same goes for Java Applets.



  • @Eldelshell said:

    >providing versions for every browser they supported.

    http://api.ning.com/files/qMuCtUZzsl2fXuaYDYJizX2eSMhNLNJSDYoSaVZ5wsp8E5jshE1*5vbFwq9fKyIXXy5HxM1myZR6bPEGfXQNlptcwE2bveR0/tautologyClub.png

    @Eldelshell said:

    The same goes for Flash and Java Applets

    Technically Java is an open standard, so you could make an implementation all by yourself. Not sure how true this is in practice.



  • @accalia said:

    well to be fair that's exactly what silverlight did.

    they provided versions of silverlight for every browser they supported.

    which was basically just IE on wondows.

    Silverlight worked on every browser I've ever tried1. The only one that was iffy was Safari on Mac OS X, which is weird because that was one of their officially-supported platforms.

    1Citation: I'm a former Silverlight developer2
    2As in I developed products on Silverlight, not that I was a member of the Silveright team


  • sockdevs

    @mott555 said:

    Silverlight worked on every browser I've ever tried1

    -ahem-

    desktop linux

    :-P



  • @Eldelshell said:

    the last remaining strains of proprietary crap on the browser burn in flames

    TIL Flash and Unity aren't proprietary.



  • Well I never tried that one. :stuck_out_tongue:

    We did have a customer who did though. At the time we were using Silverlight 5, and Moonlight was only partially compatible with Silverlight 2. He turned out to be the tinfoil hat type though, who was convinced Microsoft was stealing all his data for the world government and Linux was the only secure system they couldn't track him through. IIRC he was an IT director for a county government.



  • @accalia said:

    still is not x64 compatible

    On Windows? Perhaps... on Linux? Yes, there has been a 64bit Linux Flash plugin for a while now...

    @anonymous234 said:

    Technically Java is an open standard, so you could make an implementation all by yourself. Not sure how true this is in practice.

    The problem with Java Applets is the Applet part -- the JRE by itself is O.K. save for Orrible's release management woes.



  • @Gaska said:

    TIL Flash and Unity aren't proprietary.

    My statement included Flash and Java Applets. What? Sad that another MS technology goes down the drain? Get over it and return your Zune.



  • @accalia said:

    well to be fair that's exactly what silverlight did.

    they provided versions of silverlight for every browser they supported.

    which was basically just IE on wondows.



  • @accalia said:

    @mott555 said:
    Silverlight worked on every browser I've ever tried1

    -ahem-

    desktop linux

    :-P

    Maybe Microsoft should partner up with someone to port Silverlight to Linux. Like, maybe Novell's Mono team. And use a time machine to travel back in time 8 years to do it.

    waits a moment

    OK, now that they've done that, I see that 8 years ago the Mono team, along with Microsoft's help, released Moonlight.

    Granted, it's since been discontinued and replaced with PipeLight, which was apparently developed by Netflix.



  • LOL! I forgot about this:

    The Lync (2013) Lync Conversation Window Extension requires Silverlight in an embedded browser

    Wooops!



  • @mott555 said:

    Silverlight worked on every browser I've ever tried

    Same here!1

    1 I've never tried Silverlight.



  • @Eldelshell said:

    They were intended to extinguish any competition.

    Not sure why 3 browser companies trying to support new HTML standard, is any different from 1 company trying to make their product interoperable by writing different versions for each browser.

    I suppose you would have liked silverlight better had Firefox been responsible for making their own version of Silverlight?

    I mean, does one company hold moral ground over the other?



  • @accalia said:

    desktop linux

    Stop expecting everyone to support the platform you made up.


  • sockdevs

    what? you mean you won't support the supremely secure and ultra stable agsfdfdbkafdhoufdbja piuvtmumcrew qaweaweKN42 platform?



  • @Eldelshell said:

    My statement included Flash and Java Applets.

    Flash isn't completely out of the internets, you know. Also, it looks to me like you're implicitly confirming that Unity is indeed not proprietary.

    @Eldelshell said:

    What? Sad that another MS technology goes down the drain?

    Not at all. I don't even know what SilverLight is!

    @Eldelshell said:

    Get over it and return your Zune.

    I don't know WTF Zune is either. I assume it must be something like PSP. Surprise: I never owned any handheld console! Not even Gameboy!



  • @Gaska said:

    I don't know WTF Zune is either. I assume it must be something like PSP. Surprise: I never owned any handheld console! Not even Gameboy!

    You're close, but it's more like an iPod that comes in poop color.



  • Not if you make specific non-standard interfaces when you own less than the majority share of the market.

    Yeah, that's IE's problem, and I'm pissed at them for it too.

    Guess what, there's mobile apps that only exist in iShit. I just don't use them.
    Company's prerogative to support a platform or not.

    Tools like Unity make it easier, but they don't have to support uPhoneOs22Deluxe.



  • I don't know what iPod is. I assume it's some kind of small-factor iPad. Surprise: I never owned any tablet either!



  • @ben_lubar said:

    comes in poop color.

    Only because if it came out white, MS would get sued.

    Seriously, Apple is not innovative in technology, they're innovative in mind control.


  • sockdevs

    @xaade said:

    Not if you make specific non-standard interfaces when you own less than the majority share of the market.

    that's the beauty of the agsfdfdbkafdhoufdbja piuvtmumcrew qaweaweKN42 platform! it supports all the interfaces with dynamic interface mapping gone are they days of not knowing what interface to use! use any interface you want, you can even switch interfaces half way through a conversation and the agsfdfdbkafdhoufdbja piuvtmumcrew qaweaweKN42 platform will securely, and transparently, adjust in real time for maximum performance!



  • That means it has opinions.

    ...

    Quick, give IT an interface for posting here. I'd like to argue with it.


  • sockdevs

    it already does that too!

    just ask @translator!



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  • Weren't most of the bots sectioned of to specific categories? Or at least the playing with them? An occasional bit is fine, but a bunch of the new posts I've been seeing is just mucking with them outside the bot category.



  • @translator said:

    far! Q

    There's no need for that kind of language here.



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  • @anonymous234 said:

    @Eldelshell said:
    The same goes for Flash and Java Applets

    Technically Java is an open standard, so you could make an implementation all by yourself. Not sure how true this is in practice.

    Microsoft tried to implement the standard and Sun sued them. Sun won1.

    1 Technically, Microsoft settled, IIRC.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ben_lubar said:

    You're close, but it's more like an iPod that comes in poop color.

    This place is going to be a lot quieter once you and @blakeyrat discover girls.



  • @rad131304 said:

    @anonymous234 said:
    @Eldelshell said:
    The same goes for Flash and Java Applets

    Technically Java is an open standard, so you could make an implementation all by yourself. Not sure how true this is in practice.

    Microsoft tried to implement the standard and Sun sued them. Sun won1.

    1 Technically, Microsoft settled, IIRC.

    1. Java wasn't a standard then.
    2. Microsoft's idea of "implementing the standard" was to make sure they added a bunch of things so that code written for Microsoft's JVM wouldn't run on Sun's JVM.


  • @accalia said:

    wondows.

    I can't tell if this is a tyop or intentionally combining wonder and windows.



  • Let me tell you a few stories about applets.

    I've seen some things.



  • @powerlord said:

    @rad131304 said:
    @anonymous234 said:
    @Eldelshell said:
    The same goes for Flash and Java Applets

    Technically Java is an open standard, so you could make an implementation all by yourself. Not sure how true this is in practice.

    Microsoft tried to implement the standard and Sun sued them. Sun won1.

    1 Technically, Microsoft settled, IIRC.

    1. Java wasn't a standard then.
    2. Microsoft's idea of "implementing the standard" was to make sure they added a bunch of things so that code written for Microsoft's JVM wouldn't run on Sun's JVM.

    Fair enough - you've already far surpassed my knowledge on the history.



  • VMware's vSphere client still requires the J# runtime library to function. So Microsoft's Java is still kind of alive-ish...



  • Then get sued by Oracle apparently.



  • @blakeyrat is @accalia confirmed



  • @accalia said:

    ultra stable agsfdfdbkafdhoufdbja piuvtmumcrew qaweaweKN42 platform

    @accalia, you're the last person that should be doing this. It just looks like an undecipherable typo to us, leaving us wondering what you really meant. :P


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @powerlord said:

    Microsoft's idea of "implementing the standard" was to make sure they added a bunch of things so that code written for Microsoft's JVM wouldn't run on Sun's JVM.

    Flat-out utterly wrong.

    Microsoft included a small number, maybe a dozen, functions to a tiny handful of classes, none of which were anything but convenience functions. If you avoided them, anything you wrote would be as portable as Java is capable of being.



  • @Eldelshell said:

    My statement included Flash and Java Applets. What? Sad that another MS technology goes down the drain?

    You said:
    @Eldelshell said:
    On one part I'm happy to see the last remaining strains of proprietary crap on the browser burn in flames

    But as @Gaska pointed out, Flash is far from anything close to dead. I run with something like Flash click-to-play, and I'd say it's almost a daily occurrence for me to have to enable it somewhere. And that's not counting the couple sites that I've whitelisted. I see more Flash sites on some days now than I have Silverlight sites ever.


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @EvanED said:

    Flash is far from anything close to dead.

    As is evidenced by the fucking autoplay advertising videos that I run in to on a daily basis.

    @EvanED said:

    I run with something like Flash click-to-play

    I forgot all about that plug-in. Time to re-install. I originally installed it when Facebook started autoplaying videos. When I left Facebook I uninstalled it.



  • FlashBlock is the one I use, and even better, I never have let flash install for FireFox, I have to explicitly open IE to view flash. Sadly, the company I work for uses flash on their own web site (I blame marketing).



  • @FrostCat said:

    Microsoft included a small number, maybe a dozen, functions to a tiny handful of classes, none of which were anything but convenience functions. If you avoided them, anything you wrote would be as portable as Java is capable of being.

    And if you did use them, your code wouldn't run on Sun's JVM? Like @powerlord said?



  • @EvanED said:

    Flash is far from anything close to dead.

    I'd say flash is about as dead as world of warcraft. People say it's dead every 3 months or so (when the new sub numbers come in). But there's still an astonishing number of users.



  • Right now I wish someone would sue Linux for not having strcpy_s and sprintf_s.


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