$40 for a career
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Coder reflects the aspects of your job related directly to writing code.
The problem is that some people are using the word and aren't using that assumption. As I said, it's not something I've experienced, and apparently neither have you, but there are two others in this thread who have said the opposite.
Never go full blakey.
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Except that there's a qualifier there, so even they are recognizing the word's meaning.
Example
you're just a coder
She didn't say that coder means just writing code, she said the target person was labeled as just a coder.
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Except that there's a qualifier there, so even they are recognizing the word's meaning.
But in other contexts, like speech, you can get that qualifier through expressions and tone of voice without the explicit words. Or generally through other contexts.
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I think we should just use lojban. It's a lot simpler to just say ko'a sampla.
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I think we should just use lojban.
And yet we just keep responding to you with English. That's probably a hint.
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Well, you seem capable of understanding my posts, so we're at least halfway there.
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I understand that,
But that just leads to the same uselessness of words that political correct speech causes.Words like retard and moron had useful meanings at one point.
I suppose... we should just abandon words as they become abused.
But doesn't that make communication really hard ?!
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Well, you seem capable of understanding my posts
Many of them are mostly english and those that aren't you are linking to definitions. Also note that the ones without english aren't getting replies.
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I understand that,But that just leads to the same uselessness of words that political correct speech causes.
It could. I think @Steve_The_Cynic overreacted to your use of "Clean Coder," which could be an example of that. But then I have lots of pet peeves where I yell at people when they do those things.
Many of them are mostly english and those that aren't you are linking to definitions.
I never follow the lobjam links.
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Back in my day, we had the issue where "programmer" meant someone who just took previously designed and pseudo-coded code and put it into the computer.
We had the devil of a time with HR to get them to
understandpay us for what we really did...So... bottom line: "I hear you" ? Or, I just wanted to share that snippet of a story?
But I doubt seriously anybody around here is attaching an insult to the word.
Mostly, you'll know when somebody's trying to be insulting.. ;)
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You can just hover over them for a translation.
That's good to know. I'll be sure to keep my pointer away from any links you post; I wouldn't want to accidentally translate something.
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Hype is the reason we think bad software is good software.
You keep saying "we" when I think you should be saying, "idiots". Isn't it common sense to reject hype? I mean, if the product was genuinely good, it wouldn't need hype to sell.
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Maybe.
But people actually use English
I regret to this day not explicitly listing Lojban in the quixotic ideas thread.
Speaking of which:
Just because people abuse words and form their own meaning of the word coder, doesn't mean you throw away the word.
Otherwise, we're in danger of creating a pattern of word -> derogatory abuse of word -> new word, until we get things that are so politically correct they don't even have a useful description. (I.E. software engineer).
Good luck with that!
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Otherwise, we're in danger of creating a pattern of word -> derogatory abuse of word -> new word, until we get things that are so politically correct they don't even have a useful description. (I.E. software engineer).
In what way is 'software engineer' not descriptive? It's clear it's someone who engineers software.
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@xaade said:
Otherwise, we're in danger of creating a pattern of word -> derogatory abuse of word -> new word, until we get things that are so politically correct they don't even have a useful description. (I.E. software engineer).
In what way is 'software engineer' not descriptive? It's clear it's someone who engineers software.Maybe it's an engineer that's actually software.
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Isn't it common sense to reject hype? I mean, if the product was genuinely good, it wouldn't need hype to sell.
Common sense isn't...also, sometimes a genuinely good product can get drowned by network effects, or simply because nobody in a position of power hears about it -- oftentimes, the hype is directed at decision-makers, who don't deal with the technical arguments regarding products for whatever reason.
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We needed it because people didn't realize that programming requires more than just hacking away without a plan.
Then we got coders because some people like to divide the effort between design roles and coding roles.
Which means technically someone can do nothing but coding, and someone else could never code.But at that point, which is the engineer? The term software engineer is now ambiguous.
And if everyone followed the separate role patterns, we'd no longer have software engineers.
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also, sometimes a genuinely good product can get drowned by network effects, or simply because nobody in a position of power hears about it
Sometimes people even disagree on what a good product is.
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Back in the day, Jasc Paint Shop Pro was my 80/20 rule, but it was more like 90/10. For 10% of the price, I got 90% of the productivity.
Loved that thing. 4.0. Can't even install it anymore... (But I do have an old XP VM when/if I need it again - and for other obsolete/dead programs).
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8.0 still holds well.
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those that aren't you are linking to definitions
I still don't know what those are cause I'm not gonna bother clicking thru.
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This sort of rant has always struck me as over sensitive / insecure.
Over-sensitive/insecure is how I would describe the general demeanor of the 21st century.
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Hell, PSP 7 still works fine. Tried 8 once, but it took a slight delay to load while 7 was instantaneous.
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If you don't do your job in such a way that you could be replaced at any moment, you don't deserve to be called a coder.
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If you don't do your job in such a way that you could be replaced at any moment, you don't deserve to be called a coder.
But, what if you are hit by a bus on your trip home?
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I don't get this analogy. Once you get hit by a bus, you don't really care about what happens to your company anymore.
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Once you get hit by a bus,
You have to wait until you get hit by a bus?
For me, it only takes walking out the front door.
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Well, I personally prefer if there's a place I can go to tomorrow and earn some money in case I don't get bussed.
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I don't get this analogy. Once you get hit by a bus, you don't really care about what happens to your company anymore.
Inside joke. That apparently everyone missed.
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That apparently everyone missed.
Sorry, I was busy backing up my workstation with my version control software. What'd I miss?
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…ah yes, Blakey committing changes as a backup (because he doesn't have a better solution available IIRC)
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Sorry, I was busy backing up my workstation with my version control software. What'd I miss?
There we go. That's more like it.
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Yeah but at that point neither do you care about your unique value as an individual. The point is, while you are alive what are you going to aspire to? What are you selling to your employer—a bunch of immeasurable special-snowflake talk, or your productivity? Because if you're not out there trying to provide more value, more code written, more features developed than any of your competitors, you're basically a communist, imo.
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if you're not out there trying to provide more value, more code written, more features developed than any of your competitors, you're basically a communist, imo.
"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work" is an old Soviet joke, but I can think of many capitalist workplaces in which it applies with equal force. Oppressive structures, where the few in charge of policy make out like bandits while the many only just scrape by, are no less oppressive when organized by corporations for profit than when organized by corrupt states behind a figleaf of ideology.
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Oppressive structures, where the few in charge of policy make out like bandits while the many only just scrape by, are no less oppressive when organized by corporations for profit than when organized by corrupt states behind a figleaf of ideology.
TL;DR, @flabdablet hates rich people.
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No, I despise rich thieves. Perhaps the distinction is too subtle for you, but there it is.
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When working for those people becomes compulsory and not voluntary, you will have a point. Until then...not so much.
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capitalist workplaces...Oppressive structures
https://what.thedailywtf.com/uploads/default/10685/cac3a0e8ed9d147f.png
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Never gets old.
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Again, there's a distinction between capitalism per se on the one hand, and the subset of oppressive workplaces within it on the other, that I am completely unsurprised to find is lost on those doing their best to turn this place into their own comforting little echo chamber.
