TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.)
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@Scarlet_Manuka said:
Time until logon dialog: 25 seconds
Lie!
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realise you'd gone out to his place and timed the length of his boot process so that you could make this statement. You really need to make these things more explicit.@Scarlet_Manuka said:
Well, I'm very happy for you that you can afford a system with that sort of performance, but you shouldn't assume that your experience is the benchmark for normal experience.Unless you're claiming that the normal performance of Win7 on spinning metal is <12s to complete usability (and if you are, that's TRWTF),
Actually yes I am. That's about the performance my Windows 7 computer was getting before I added an SSD.No Windows 7 machine I have ever seen boot has booted that quickly. If I remember, I'll get some timings for you from the Win7 machines I can boot without people asking questions, but tbh it's not likely to be much of a priority.
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@Bort said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
I followed this link to this seizure-inducing demo video and was immediately on the floor foaming at the mouth.
All that marquee text aaaAAAAaaaaAAAAaaaaAAAAaaaaAAAAaaaaAAAA!
Everything blinks!
(This Necro sponsored by @boomzilla)
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Do the necro message stopped blaming @fbmac, or it is just hidden from this account now?
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@sockpuppet7 said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
Do the necro message stopped blaming @fbmac, or it is just hidden from this account now?
The joke may have been removed now. Who knows? It might also have a specific minimum timeframe before activation.
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@Tsaukpaetra if I'm reading it right, it only starts at 10 years, so that's it
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@sockpuppet7 said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@Tsaukpaetra if I'm reading it right, it only starts at 10 years, so that's it
It might be also interesting to note that it was introduced in this unassuming commit:
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@CreatedToDislikeThis Why is this PR not merged:
Time to admit once again that @blakeyrat is always right! Open source maintainers SUCK
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@dse said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
this
You know, I've completely forgotten there was a main site since the move... :(
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Was the TempleOS webpage always like this? There're a lot more "special opinions" than I remember...
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@CreatedToDislikeThis I didn't bother scrolling down before.
I wish I hadn't just corrected that omission
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@CreatedToDislikeThis I dunno if the page was defaced or the guy has gone full timecube.
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@fbmac Whatever the reason, I think even the Garage would think "Yeah, I'm not touching that one."
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@RaceProUK said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@fbmac Whatever the reason, I think even the Garage would think "Yeah, I'm not touching that one."
What do you mean? It's comedy gold! I don't know too many standup comedians that could be this good!
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I've seen the page before, and it was certainly nothing like it is now. I think he just went bat-shit insane, as even before it was clear he was a bit touched in the head.
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@Erufael said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
I've seen the page before, and it was certainly nothing like it is now.
^This.
I think he just went bat-shit insane, as even before it was clear he was a bit touched in the head.
I'm inclined to believe that he only watched Fox News for the past six years and incorporated all batshit insane tea party conspiracy theories into his "religion".
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@dse said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
Why is this PR not merged:
I believe it still needs some testing before it's ready for prime time.
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/20080/new-articles-category
But I think it's close now.
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@asdf No, the guy literally has schizophrenia but refuses to belive that and instead claims its god giving him visions, but at least some time back he admitted he just swallows some of the pills from the doctors so they and his parents shut up about it. There is an indepth interview with him somewhere where he describes his descent into madness and how god gave him visions and saved him. Ever since he thinks that gods speaks to us through paterns in random noise, which started with him opening the bible at random pages and allways having the right answer to his problems, but he got more sophisticated and developed a program that turns grade A random white noise from some university server into random words through which he belives god communicates with him. He has allways had good and bad times, but he has allways been ranting about "niggers" and the CIA and stuff like that, so I wouldn't put it beyond him to forget to take some meds or simply advancing far enaugh into mental illness to need a stronger dosis and making that page himself.
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@Maciejasjmj The conceptual binding is -- or at least, as far as I've ever known it -- "one window = one program (or process)" though. Having an image in your file doesn't make it another process. Of course, this is debatable nowadays since you have things like Chrome opening a process for each tab.
The easiest way I can think of to do this off the top of my head is to use markup language in your source file for the images and comments, then have an IDE that renders it, much like a browser. This theoretical commenting markup language would also be good for displaying other graphical elements that might not be tied to a static image file, like flowchart graphics without needing to draw the thing up in paint first. Just enter your flowchart nodes and their connections in markup. Of course this would make source files a lot more heavy weight, but the information is definitely worth it when it's a source file that's touched by dozens of different people. On reflection, seems a bit dumb that we have something nearing this sort of capability on stupid comment forums about software, but not anything close to it in actual, professional-grade software.@Quwertzuiopp It's difficult to determine if he's even racist because, just from viewing comments he's written on his own Youtube videos, he devolves into a totally nonsensical stream of consciousness when he flips into "crazy mode." If you've ever read the works of Francis E. Dec, Esq, the most infamous American schizophrenic, you'll know what I am talking about. He frequently uses excessive strings of adjectives and descriptors -- "Worldwide Communist Insane Gangster Computer God," to use one of Mr. Dec's examples, sometimes used in different orders or in different combinations while describing the same thing. He seems to think that the CIA is responsible for almost everything, and that God will come down to earth one day and allow him to take over all of mass media and spread His glorious message by giving him ownership of Intel. Or something. I got a very Dec vibe while reading his posts if he veered away from simple questions about the OS or his programming methods.
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@CrazyEyes said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
On reflection, seems a bit dumb that we have something nearing this sort of capability on stupid comment forums about software, but not anything close to it in actual, professional-grade software.
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@Maciejasjmj I meant in professional-grade development of software. As in, in the source files.
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@CrazyEyes said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@Maciejasjmj I meant in professional-grade development of software. As in, in the source files.
Don't remember if VB was OLE-capable...
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@Maciejasjmj said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@CrazyEyes said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@Maciejasjmj I meant in professional-grade development of software. As in, in the source files.
Don't remember if VB was OLE-capable...
It could instantiate com+ and ActiveX stuff
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@Maciejasjmj said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
Or, you know, because if you put multimedia in your shell, you end up with, uh... a windowing system. Sans windows.
Yes, nothing wrong with that. The GUI/CLI dichotomy is just a made up thing, like everything in computing.
The basic fallacy that the Linux people (or "1982 knee-jerkers" in blakeyrat parlance) make is assuming that "text is simple, images are hard". Thus, this means GUI stuff is more prone to failure.
But images are not hard. An image can just be a 2D array of RGB values. What confuses people is there are many protocols dedicated to graphics some of them really complex (OpenGL, OpenVG, X11, etc). But if you just pick a simple one and stick with it, there won't be any problems.
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@anonymous234 said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
But images are not hard.
Depends on what you mean. Displaying a static opaque RGB image without transformations, once, isn't too complicated (nowadays; it used to be a lot more complex back when you had to work with low pixel depth displays) but handling all the other details to do the job properly adds quite a bit more complexity.
Before anyone says otherwise, text can also be pretty complicated, especially when dealing with non-ASCII and variable-width fonts.
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@dkf said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
but handling all the other details to do the job properly adds quite a bit more complexity
The point is you don't need any other details. Linux processes could just return a bitmap (or a simple vector format) and it would be shown on screen. There, your interface magically leaped 30 years forward with like 50 lines of code.
Edit: OK, there's another part. Writing the output to a file. If commands can output text or binary data, then combining outputs from multiple commands (which should be possible) would require
gasp
combining text and binary data in one file!And this would require a container format of some sort, which the Linux people are ideologically opposed to.
(Oh no we're reinventing Powershell)
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@CrazyEyes said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
It's difficult to determine if he's even racist because, just from viewing comments he's written on his own Youtube videos, he devolves into a totally nonsensical stream of consciousness when he flips into "crazy mode."
Yeah I know, that was what I was alluding to. That is typical in schizophrenia so much that it is used as an early warning sign. If you have concerns about your relatives in relation to schizophrenia, therapists will often ask you to provide a sample of text they recently wrote because their writing starts to devolve into a jumpy stream of consciousness way before they go completely bonkers. They often don't really mean it (or can't really mean it anymore), its more akin to what people think of when they hear turret than actual turret.
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@anonymous234 said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
The basic fallacy that the Linux people (or "1982 knee-jerkers" in blakeyrat parlance) make is assuming that "text is simple, images are hard". Thus, this means GUI stuff is more prone to failure.
I can use CLI through SSH.
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@fbmac said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@anonymous234 said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
The basic fallacy that the Linux people (or "1982 knee-jerkers" in blakeyrat parlance) make is assuming that "text is simple, images are hard". Thus, this means GUI stuff is more prone to failure.
I can use CLI through SSH.
I can use X through SSH.
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@dkf said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
Before anyone says otherwise, text can also be pretty complicated, especially when dealing with non-ASCII and variable-width fonts.
Handling text doesn't get less complicated when you have to render it yourself.
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@anonymous234 said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
And this would require a container format of some sort, which the Linux people are ideologically opposed to.
Quick, nobody tell @anonymous234 about tar!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
I can use X through SSH.
And tunneling VNC through SSH is also trivial.
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@asdf said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@Tsaukpaetra said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
I can use X through SSH.
And tunneling VNC through SSH is also trivial.
I can tunnel a video chat program through SSH. That doesn't mean video chat programs are as easy to make as text chat programs.
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@ben_lubar said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
That doesn't mean video chat programs are as easy to make as text chat programs.
Shoulder aliens at 7:40 in the morning? Bloody hell!
I didn't say anything like that, I just debunked @fbmac's argument for text interfaces.
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@asdf said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@ben_lubar said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
That doesn't mean video chat programs are as easy to make as text chat programs.
Shoulder aliens at 7:40 in the morning? Bloody hell!
I didn't say anything like that, I just debunked @fbmac's argument for text interfaces.
Any argument that states GUIs are easier to make than text-based interfaces is incorrect because GUIs contain text and other things, whereas text-based interfaces only contain text.
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@ben_lubar I was simply stating that you can use both kinds of applications via SSH, easily. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
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@asdf said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@ben_lubar I was simply stating that you can use both kinds of applications via SSH, easily. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
Click the "in reply to" link a few times. You'll eventually find the post I'm replying to.
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@ben_lubar I know what @anonymous234 wrote and I don't agree. I simply wanted to add to the discussion, since @fbmac made an argument that doesn't hold.
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@asdf said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@ben_lubar I know what @anonymous234 wrote and I don't agree. I simply wanted to add to the discussion, since @fbmac made an argument that doesn't hold.
@asdf I know what @anonymous234 wrote and I don't agree. I simply wanted to add to the discussion, since @fbmac made an argument that doesn't hold.
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@ben_lubar I think I accidentally started a discussion with @ben_lubot.
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@asdf both X over SSH and VNC suck donkey balls
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@fbmac X over SSH is fine as long as you have sub-millisecond latency or very simple UIs. It breaks down quickly if latency or bandwith limitations become relevant.
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@PleegWat said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
sub-millisecond latency
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@RaceProUK That server was in our local server room, ~10 meters away.
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@PleegWat said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@fbmac X over SSH is fine as long as you have sub-millisecond latency or very simple UIs. It breaks down quickly if latency or bandwith limitations become relevant.
And that doesn't matter while discussing the usefulness of the CLI.
Even on Windows I use the prompt a lot.
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@fbmac said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
And that doesn't matter while discussing the usefulness of the CLI.
Did anyone in this thread argue that a CLI is completely useless?
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@asdf said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@fbmac said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
And that doesn't matter while discussing the usefulness of the CLI.
Did anyone in this thread argue that a CLI is completely useless?
Yes
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@fbmac said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@asdf said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@fbmac said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
And that doesn't matter while discussing the usefulness of the CLI.
Did anyone in this thread argue that a CLI is completely useless?
Yes
But blakeyrat left! Did he leave an alt or something?
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@anonymous234 said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
The basic fallacy that the Linux people (or "1982 knee-jerkers" in blakeyrat parlance) make is assuming that "text is simple, images are hard".
Thing Worth Doing Requires Effort. News at 11!
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@ben_lubar said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
Any argument that states GUIs are easier to make than text-based interfaces is incorrect because GUIs contain text and other things, whereas text-based interfaces only contain text.
Brainfuck contains only 8 instructions, therefore it's easier to build stuff with it than C or Java.
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@anonymous234 said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
@ben_lubar said in TempleOS and HolyC (Again. I think there's already a thread. Oh well.):
Any argument that states GUIs are easier to make than text-based interfaces is incorrect because GUIs contain text and other things, whereas text-based interfaces only contain text.
Brainfuck contains only 8 instructions, therefore it's easier to build stuff with it than C or Java.
Your argument is only relevant if you're talking about writing a Brainfuck/C/Java interpreter.