DIGG WTF



  • I have recently discovered DIGG (yep I'm fast as hell) so I wanted to register in there. But in some reason, it wouldn't let me to register with my mail that begins with d_ark and it is in o2.pl domain. I have sent an email with explanation of the problem and here it is:





    >I would like to know in what way these terms are violated. As I said before: I dont like to be forced to do something that I dont want to. I have checked Terms Of >Service and I dont see anything that wouldnt allow me to use my email to register with it. I will not accept simple explanation, I want to know exact reason, why my >domain is blocked and cannot be used.



    Digg Feedback wrote:

    > Please trying using a different email address. The one you're trying to use is blocked for serious violations of digg Terms Of Use.

    >

    > Thank you,

    >

    > -The Digg Support Team.

    >

    >

    >

    > dArk wrote:

    >> It is that mail that I am writing from ;)

    >>

    >>

    >> Digg Feedback wrote:

    >>> What is the email domain you're trying to register with?

    >>>

    >>> -The Digg Support Team.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> dArk wrote:

    >>>> Hello.

    >>>> I have problem with registering to your service. It seems that your website refuse to accept my email. I end up with message saying 'This email cannot be used'. Could you give me an explanation, why this is happening. I dont like to be forced to do things that I dont want to do (like registering new mail). I hope that you will look into my problem.

    >>>>

    >>>> Sincerely,

    >>>> Dawid Kiwacki

    >>>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>

    >>

    >

    >

     
    No responce since the last mail. I would like to ask: WTF is going on?

    PS Sorry for my bad engrish :P



  • Probably they want [a-zA-Z0-9]+@.... type email. It's really bad.

    MSN does the same, so I can't use my name+ending_which_will_be_used_to_filter_out_spam@gmail.com to register on messenger :/



  • It sounds to me like they have had a number of nasty abuses from other users of the o2.pl domain so have banned all o2.pl addresses.



  • [quote user="viraptor"]

    Probably they want [a-zA-Z0-9]+@.... type email. It's really bad.

    MSN does the same, so I can't use my name+ending_which_will_be_used_to_filter_out_spam@gmail.com to register on messenger :/

    [/quote]

    I should probably know this already, but exactly what kind of name+ending email addresses can you use?  Is that a gmail specific feature, or something that can be used more generally?  Thanks in advance.

     



  • I dont believe that they would block the whole domain.



  • @schmads said:

    [quote user="viraptor"]

    Probably they want [a-zA-Z0-9]+@.... type email. It's really bad.

    MSN does the same, so I can't use my name+ending_which_will_be_used_to_filter_out_spam@gmail.com to register on messenger :/

    I should probably know this already, but exactly what kind of name+ending email addresses can you use?  Is that a gmail specific feature, or something that can be used more generally?  Thanks in advance.

     

    [/quote]xyz+address@domain.com should be delivered to address@domain.com. It's not GMail-specific.



  • [quote user="schmads"]

    what kind of name+ending email addresses can you use?

    [/quote]

    It's gmail-only feature, but I think they'll make some sendmail / postfix plugins soon.

    name+whatever@gmail.com == name@gmail.com
    na.me@gmail.com == name@gmail.com

    You can put the dot anywhere in login, and effect's the same.

    So what I do, is register on every page with viraptor+www.their.domain.com@gmail.com and if they start sending spam, I just apply auto-delete filter on them.

    PS - first reply is right - "+" is standard, "." is gmail specific. 



  • I can see them blocking a whole domain, if it was a big source of violations, most likely

    3.9 with the intention of artificially inflating or altering the 'digg
    count', blog count, comments, or any other Digg service, including by
    way of creating separate user accounts for the purpose of artificially
    altering Digg's services; giving or receiving money or other
    remuneration in exchange for votes; or participating in any other
    organized effort that in any way artificially alters the results of
    Digg's services.

    I've known places that disallow emails from any webmail providers they know of, in a bid to thwart multiple accounts, spam, etc. even though doing so shuts out a huge number of likely legitimate users.

    Digg will piss off fewer people through blocking troublesome domains than if allowing them results in messed up ratings. 



  • Geez. Then it would be nice if they would explain me, why this domain is blocked, rather than saying something about TOS violations, Im not an idiot, that will accept any crap that they will tell me.



  • [quote user="dArkPL"]Geez. Then it would be nice if they would explain me, why this domain is blocked, rather than saying something about TOS violations, Im not an idiot, that will accept any crap that they will tell me.
    [/quote]

    They DID explain to you why it was blocked - because of TOS violations from that domain. Just because you demand to know more doesn't mean they have to tell you - for all they know, you're one of the violators, and you did come off as very rude. If someone wrote to me like that, I'd simply hit delete and be glad they didn't join my site. Digg has enough users without you...



  • If some company would treat users like that, I would never use their services...

    And show me, where I've been rude in my correspondence with Digg Support. 



  • It's all over the email.  You gave a smartass answer when they asked what domain you were registering with.  There's no reason to think you'd continue to use the same email.  It's equally as likely you'd switch to a well-known webmail provider to ensure your email got through to support.

    Additionally, you demanded information from them.  Information they don't have to tell you.  You then you gave something of a vague threat when you said you absolutely will not accept their answer.  Seriously, who do you think you are?  Digg owes you nothing of an answer.  Digg could allude to your mother smelling of elderberries if they so desired.  It's a private service, one they can choose any reason they want for denying registration.

    However, you might not see it that way due to cultural differences .. (you alluded to not being a native English speaker). 



  • Hmm, you seem to be right, so I think the case is closed, although Im not fully convinced that I was rude.

    Seems that we do things different in Poland ;) 



  • [quote user="dArkPL"]

    If some company would treat users like that, I would never use their services...

    [/quote]

    Luckily for them, they have more users. Seriously, it's not going to kill digg if you complain. It's not going to kill them if that domain can't register, obviously the benefits of blocking that domain outweigh the loss of users. 

    [quote user="dArkPL"]

    And show me, where I've been rude in my correspondence with Digg Support. 

    [/quote]

     Demanding: "I will not accept simple explanation, I want to know exact reason, why my >domain is blocked and cannot be used."

    "I dont like to be forced to do things that I dont want to do " - well, duh, who does?

     

    The real wtf (OMG HAHA!) is Digg Support's grammar. "Please trying" ... you have an excuse, but Digg is an English site.



  • Both the poster and Digg have been conflating "address" and "domain".  It would be perfectly reasonable to ask Digg whether they had blocked the entire o2.pl domain or just his email address.

     



  • I'd guess that O2 made it too easy for some people to automatically create lots of email accounts and abuse them in ways digg didn't appreciate, so they really decided to block the whole domain.



  • I think they had blocked entire domain, because mails sent to go2.pl and tlen.pl should normally be delivered to o2.pl. I have tried to register with those domains too, without succes. What I'm gonna do now, is registering a new mail in o2.pl but without any special chars. We'll see about it.

    EDIT. Yup, the entire domain (o2.pl go2.pl tlen.pl) is blocked. 



  • Using many e-mail accounts is a fact of internet life. I've seen plenty
    that won't accept "free" addresses such as yahoo.com or hotmail.com
    simply because they are too easy to spam from. I personally have at
    least 10 e-mail accounts. 2 of them I use most frequently, though.
    However, mine aren't due to denials - they are simply for filing and
    risk (ie: use a separate address for compulsive registration sites that
    is different from my standard communications ones). I can't believe
    you're using one e-mail address for everything anyways. Just go grab a
    gmail.com or other free e-mail and use it. It's not that much of a
    hassle having that many addresses. I use Thunderbird for management and
    keep them all separate. I pop through the whole list in less than 15
    minutes because only my 2 communications ones really require attention.
    The only time I have to tend to the others is to click a confirmation
    link or delete junk mail and newsletters.



  • Maybe they blocked the whole .pl FLD? ;)



  • Who would hate Perl that much?



  • [quote user="smintheus"]Who would hate Perl that much?[/quote]

    Anyone who's ever had to maintain it?



  • [quote user="Jefffurry"]

    [quote user="smintheus"]Who would hate Perl that much?[/quote]

    Anyone who's ever had to maintain it?

    [/quote] Or even understand half of it.

     

    [quote user="dArkPL"]I reject reality and create my own[/quote]

    <offtopic> Do you like MythBusters too?



  • There are plenty of Digg WTFs.  Random HTML entities that show up in posts, the auto linking script that tends to grab extra characters and add them to the URL, and my favorite, the bug a while ago (hopefully fixed now) where posting a comment with a lot of line breaks would make all the comments for that story unviewable.  How does that even happen?



  • Mythbusters are the best show in Discovery Channel nowadays. And How Its Made.



  • [quote user="viraptor"][quote user="schmads"]

    what kind of name+ending email addresses can you use?

    [/quote]

    It's gmail-only feature, but I think they'll make some sendmail / postfix plugins soon.

    PS - first reply is right - "+" is standard, "." is gmail specific. 

    [/quote]

    Address
    extensions have been a standard postfix feature for years (and I'd
    assume sendmail, though I don't know for certain), so no plugin is
    required. Postfix allows one extension character (defaults to "+" but
    you can change it), and the option can be disabled so not all postfix
    servers will support it. You'd have to check your email provider to see.

     


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