Email WTF, Ultimate Edition



  • TL;DR version: the world is a harsh place to live in.

    The Problem: GMail cannot be trusted with your precious emails, or so they say. So much for the other email providers "in the cloud" -- I don't think they won't bend over to a request authoritative enough. Small providers are far too unreliable, even if you pay them. Running your own mail server is expensive: you are going to spend lts of time configuring it properly, your box is gonna spend much more time and power filtering spam than actually sending and delivering your mail, and results won't even come close to GMail's in terms of quality.

    Unless you go full retard paranoid and tune your server so it only accepts messages signed with a PGP key you trust, you are pretty much screwed. With full paranoid mode you are screwed as well, because goodbye order confirmations from online shops and responses to your résumé from companies you wanted to work for.


  • sockdevs

    E-mail is insecure, and always has been. I don't see what's new here?



  • I recently paid namecheap to host two malboxes on my own domain for 2 years. Paid like $20. So far so good, everything work as advertised. I'm slowly moving my shit out of google, starting with the most sensitive stuff first.

    By the time humanity realized email is the new global id card, a lot of people got stuck with their balls in the hands of google or even worse, isp-s. Owning your own identity is definitely worth 10-20 bucks a year, imo.



  • I keep hearing now and then, "I don't use GMail, it's far too insecure/NSA is snooping/their robotz are snooping." What's the alternative, then? Outlook.com? Same shit.



  • I use Google and also Al-Qaeda terrorist anarchy pipe bomb Falun Gong.



  • When I last did it, the CPU was being hogged by spamassassin trying to cope with all the penis enlargement traffic.



  • @wft said:

    When I last did it, the CPU was being hogged by spamassassin trying to cope with all the penis enlargement traffic.

    I don't have size issues, so it shouldn't be a problem.



  • @cartman82 said:

    namecheap to host two malboxes on my own domain for 2 years... Owning your own identity is definitely worth 10-20 bucks a year, imo.

    @wft said:

    "I don't use GMail, it's far too insecure/NSA is snooping/their robotz are snooping." What's the alternative, then? Outlook.com? Same shit.

    Once you have their attention, it won't really matter who you trust to protect your email.


    Oh and by the way.

    Just because your inbox is safe, doesn't mean your emails' senders' outboxes are safe.

    ...
    ...
    ...

    #pwned


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @xaade said:

    Just because your inbox is safe, doesn't mean your emails' senders' outboxes are safe.

    QFT



  • You think you don't have the size problems (evil grin)




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    @cartman82 said:

    I recently paid namecheap to host two malboxes on my own domain for 2 years. Paid like $20. So far so good, everything work as advertised. I'm slowly moving my shit out of google, starting with the most sensitive stuff first.

    By the time humanity realized email is the new global id card, a lot of people got stuck with their balls in the hands of google or even worse, isp-s. Owning your own identity is definitely worth 10-20 bucks a year, imo.

    @xaade said:

    http://i.imgur.com/dyR0V5p.jpg

    These needed to be linked together. For @cartman82's sake.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @wft said:

    When I last did it, the CPU was being hogged by spamassassin trying to cope with all the penis enlargement traffic.

    Next time buy a CPU without self-confidence issues?


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @xaade said:

    Just because your inbox is safe, doesn't mean your emails' senders' outboxes are safe.

    Same with Android apps. It really doesn't matter whether you install apps that upload your whole contact list. It doesn't matter whether you want to tell Facebook your phone number either. Because some friend of yours definitely will.



  • I'd rather have big brother watching me if it means that I get free email hosting, an easy-to-type email address, and really good spam filtering.

    This is basically the trade-off you make by doing anything with a third-party service. You get to not worry about running the service with the caveat that they can look through your data if they suspect something's not quite right.



  • Things were the same with physical mail. Do you want to hand-deliver/sneakernet every message you want to send?

    Also, I don't see how self-hosting protects you, even if you have the box in your house. Can't whatever government agency come to your home and seize your hardware without warning?



  • Well, presumably if you have a house that can't be entered or exited with unbreakable walls, you're safe. But you're also no longer in a house.



  • @wft said:

    What's the alternative, then? Outlook.com?

    For ten bucks a month, I get email and 5 copies of Office. Outlook.com has been good to me for spam, and I really like push mail notifications instead of setting up a polling interval.



  • My only experience with Outlook.com email is my university, which posted every email address that is registered on the domain in plain text on this handy captcha-free page

    Side WTF:



  • @ben_lubar said:

    'd rather have big brother watching me if it means that I get free email hosting, an easy-to-type email address, and really good spam filtering.

    Sure, that's an ideal arrangement for you, but what about those of us who's PCs aren't 90% full of 10-hour Dwarf Fortress videos?



  • @ben_lubar said:

    which posted every email address that is registered on the domain in plain text on this handy captcha-free page

    You go to a school with a "Lubar School of Business"? That's quite a coincidence.



  • It's named after my grandpa's cousin!


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @Bort said:

    Things were the same with physical mail. Do you want to hand-deliver/sneakernet every message you want to send?

    Courier hawks. That's all I'm saying.


    Filed under: Head-mounted lasers available in the premium package



  • A couple of years ago we tried to convince our IT-department that their e-mail service was broken beyond repair and it would be much easier and cheaper for everyone to buy our e-mail service from gmail. We did not even break a sweat swatting all their counter-arguments for why it would be a bad idea, until the head of the IT-department blurted out this gem:

    "Gmail is not capable of handling the volume of e-mail we generate at this university."

    At that point we realised it was a lost cause and just stood up and left.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ben_lubar said:

    It's named after my grandpa's cousin!

    Ah, nepotism.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Mikael_Svahnberg said:

    At that point we realised it was a lost cause and just stood up and left.

    I hope you said "you are an idiot" on the way out.



  • That's some really smart sounding shit there, ben.

    A+



  • Unfortunately, it gave him blubars :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:



  • @FrostCat said:

    I hope you said "you are an idiot" on the way out.

    That was the premise of the whole conversation. Saying it at that point would have had very little effect. During the weeks after that we moved all of our computers off their infrastructure and into our own 'radio luxembourg' instead.



  • @Bort said:

    That's some really smart sounding shit there, ben.

    Is that one of those computer-generated madlibs theses? It sure reads like one...


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Mikael_Svahnberg said:

    Saying it at that point would have had very little effect.

    On the contrary. If you drop http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare on someone, you get a good feeling on your way out the door. :smile:


  • sockdevs

    Yay FlashBlock! :stuck_out_tongue:


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @RaceProUK said:

    Yay FlashBlock

    You don't know what you're missing out on, kid! Literally, unless you disabled your blocker.


  • sockdevs

    I think I can guess what it is :stuck_out_tongue:



  • You are an idiot! Ah ah-ah ah ah-ah....



  • Yep. This one.


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