Recruiters and Recruitment WTFs and annoyances



  • 13:58: Phone call from London number I let go to voicemail
    13:59: Email:
    "I called earlier today, ... exciting job opportunity... excellent salary ... up to £30,000"

    "Excellent Salary ... up to £30,000"


    "Excellent ... £30,000"

    Considering I am on what I would consider a middling salary for a mid level developer in this area I fancy laughing in this guys face, but his face isn't here, and I am not going to write him an email just to say "I earn more than this already and intend to fight for a salary bump in the next 3 months" I decided to laugh at him here.

    This thread exists to bitch about recruiters sending you emails over a year after you removed your details from the internet and job boards and the like, with jobs that are irrelevant and/or ridiculous. Ranging from "£16,000 salary, 2 years experience minimum in each of C#, Java, C, Python and SQL Server DBA" to "Fantastic local opportunity 600 miles away!" to anything else recruiters spout.



  • I get lots of emails telling me I can make $50,000 a month by doing Internet surveys. Unfortunately I'm not a single mom so I think they missed their target demographic.


  • SockDev

    @algorythmics said:

    "Excellent Salary ... up to £30,000"

    I'm on £32,000. I wouldn't call it excellent, but it's more than I was on before, and it's comfortable at least 😄



  • @mott555 said:

    I'm not a single mom

    even if you came up with a few neat/weird tricks no one would give a shit.



  • @RaceProUK said:

    I'm on £32,000.

    Buh? After translating that to USD that sounds really low, what all other things do you get from being in the UK that makes up for that.


  • kills Dumbledore

    @locallunatic said:

    what all other things do you get from being in the UK that makes up for that.

    free health care for one



  • @Jaloopa said:

    free health care for one

    Even with my personally inflated health care costs (diabetic) that does not make up for how low that salary is.



  • our housing is a lot less most of the time. Rents here (in the north at least) tend to be £400-£700 ($600 - $1000) per month for flats/appartments or houses up to 3 or 4 bedrooms in quite good condition. On the other hand our other bills and electricals tend to be a lot higher due to the whole psychology of $1 = £1.


  • SockDev

    @locallunatic said:

    Buh? After translating that to USD that sounds really low, what all other things do you get from being in the UK that makes up for that.

    By UK standards, it's not low. Unless you're in London (I'm in Manchester; it's a lot cheaper 🙂 ).


  • kills Dumbledore

    £30k would be a fairly good wage for someone not long out of Uni, first or second proper programming job. That's in the South East, at least, where wages are inflated compared to other places due to the London connection.


  • SockDev

    @Jaloopa said:

    £30k would be a fairly good wage for someone not long out of Uni, first or second proper programming job. That's in the South East, at least, where wages are inflated compared to other places due to the London connection.

    In the North, a more typical figure would be £18-£22k, maybe £25k if you're really good.



  • Id be happy to pursue it in those circumstances, having had my first software job pay only £17000, and as with every recruiter ever I have been contacted on a basic CVBay google "[c#]" search and then phoned up without actually looking at my CV. There are plenty better recruiter WTFs and I expect to be posting some more soon, but this was the first one that came through, and I found the whole "earlier today = 1 minute ago" thing pretty funny, more than the salary offer, which is a fine offer for people with less experience.

    I just wanted a place to bitch about it, and there wasn't one, so I made one.



  • @Jaloopa said:

    free health care for one

    I'll buy that if the £32,000 is post all tax.

    That said, there's a lot of wiggle room for "mid-level" and regional differences in cost of living.



  • @RaceProUK said:

    In the North, a more typical figure would be £18-£22k, maybe £25k if you're really good.

    This, I went from £17k as my first job 3 months after Uni, to £24k as my second a year later (hurrah for employers fighting over me and bidding wars!) to where I am now 3 years later (a few bumps in between and one further job change) at a good chunk over £30k. I think in the north you would have to work pretty hard to go faster than I have up the pay scale, but I have seen it done.



  • @Jaloopa said:

    free health care for one

    Free health care that I pay National Insurance for?

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  • Sadly it is gross - pre tax salary.

    I think we end up paying a lot less out to the government and other expenses than you guys do, (but I'm not sure of that), but I am pretty sure that housing is the big difference in cost between us, as odd as that sounds what with our media going crazy over house prices and rents and the like



  • My base salary is a little over £33k (I think) - total taxable pay in a year is way over that, not including other benefits I get.

    I've always worked on the rule that if the salary in thousands of pounds is more than years I've been alive, then I'm doing well.



  • @algorythmics said:

    Sadly it is gross - pre tax salary.

    Yes, I was quite aware of that. Which takes the piss out (did I do that right) of the "free" claim.



  • You did, and it does, but lets not fight about healthcare models here! recruiters are the enemy!

    About 30% of my salary gets taken away in the form of student loan repayments, national insurance contributions, and tax, and the rest is all mine, what's it like in the states? I've always wondered because besides housing I could never figure out why the difference for software guys was so high, except possibly the silly cone valley demand having a universal effect on US developer income?


  • kills Dumbledore

    Back on topic:

    When I was job hunting a few years back, I had a recruiter tell me that there were no roles in the whole UK (I'm paraphrasing, but not exaggerating that much), and that I should definitely take the roles he was offering in Germany if I ever wanted to earn a half decent salary.

    At the time I didn't have a passport, and my German knowledge reached its peak when I passed my GCSE at 16


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