On Alarms and waking up


  • sockdevs

    Continuing the discussion from The Offical Walruses Don't Use Ducks Thread:

    @aliceif said:

    I woke up slightly before 5, long before my alarm (which is set to 5:45).

    @Onyx said:

    What is this madness you speak of ?!?

    @accalia said:

    What? Waking up before your alarm isn't normal?

    Hell my alarm is only set as a failsafe in case i don't wake up before it.

    @Onyx said:

    My body refuses any considerations of waking up while it's still pitch black outside without additional stimulus.

    I find it's simply a matter of willpower. I will wake up for 0545 so i do. My alarm is set for 0615 as a backup.



  • @accalia said:

    I find it's simply a matter of willpower. I will wake up for 0545 so i do. My alarm is set for 0615 as a backup.

    That's indeed a desirable situation. But you need to force yourself to go to sleep at a reasonable hour instead of procrastinating.

    For people who hate their alarm clocks, try setting your alarm half an hour earlier for a week and then wind it back to normal. You should start waking up on your own and still have alarm as a fallback.


  • sockdevs

    @cartman82 said:

    That's indeed a desirable situation. But you need to force yourself to go to sleep at a reasonable hour instead of procrastinating.

    that's why i have a TTS alarm on my phone for 2200 that says "go the frack to sleep"

    the goal is to never hear that alarm trigger, and have the phone on the bedside table charging.



  • Wasn't it daylight savings change this week? Who had issues with their devices this time?


  • sockdevs

    Not anyone i know....

    >_>

    <_<

    :fa_shifty_look:



  • My willpower disappears completely in the evening. I haven't gone to bed early in years.



  • @accalia said:

    So the US just had daylight savings time adjust thingie (moving to GMT-4 from GMT-5 for the summer) and i notice the post times are off... by an hour.... as if discourse hasn't caught up

    Don't worry, the old CS forum was the same. Especially worse for the southern hemisphere, since its concept of time zone were offset from its own timezone so there would be a potential two hour swing during autumn/spring.


  • sockdevs

    actually if you read the entire thread (or at least down to post....4 i think. (my second on in topic) you'll see that that one was not discourses faul;t in the slightest.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    My willpower disappears completely in the evening. I haven't gone to bed early in years.

    It's currently 9:47pm and I must go to bed! Or stay up playing Crossy Road until my phone runs out of batteries. Again.


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    @cartman82 said:

    But you need to force yourself to go to sleep at a reasonable hour instead of procrastinating.

    This.

    I also tend to screw up my schedule on weekends (there's always some reason, not necessarily the same one) and by the time I get to the stage of going to sleep at a reasonable time again it's Thursday already.


  • sockdevs

    BIFNID

    Sorry; couldn't resist ;)


  • sockdevs

    @RaceProUK said:

    <abbr title="Bug In Fox, Not In Discourse">BIFNID</abbr>

    -sigh- is it time for a flea bath again?



  • I think you should stay up all night playing videogames and then decide that you didn't really need that job anyways (or wherever you have to go tomorrow). It's what I'd do.



  • If you keep regular hours (that is, if your are boring and old ;) )... it's pretty easy possible to mostly wake up before your alarm.

    I like to, since it avoids waking up everybody else in the house.

    The hard idea/habit to drill into your head is this "I could roll over for a few more minutes of sleep, but really I might as well get up."

    Which really, really bites when you're pouring that first cup of joe and can say to yourself "Well, I'm up ten minutes early! It's 3:30..."

    The only thing worse is rushing around at 4:30. :rage:


    Filed under: looking for :normal_yellow_dude_angry:,
    found :angry: and :alien:

    Returning to my :manhole:



  • Waking up is the worst. I long only for eternal sleep.


  • sockdevs

    Death is, i am told, overrated as a rest cure.



  • As I always say, "Get up, you can sleep when you're dead!"



  • @accalia said:

    I find it's simply a matter of willbladderpower.
    FTFY



  • When I was just starting my new job I routinely woke up on time. I slowly began slipping and today was the first day I completely dozed over my alarm, though I managed to wake up right on time to get up and leave.

    I'm terrible about going to sleep early though, and I don't think I'm going to change that. Going to sleep means waking up and going to work, fuck that.



  • I still find it impossible to sleep well on the workdays and have any sort of, y'know, life. There just aren't enough hours in a day to manage them right.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Waking up is the worst. I long only for eternal sleep.


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    ^That is fucking creepy...



  • The worst thing is having to wake up when you want to sleep is awful, but then you come back home in the afternoon and you could sleep some more... but you no longer want to. Oh the eternal suffering of the human condition!


  • sockdevs

    first world problems?

    why can't i hire someone to do my sleeping for me? i can hire someone to do just about anything else for me (even if some tasks would be technically illegal to pay someone else to do)



  • But seriously, I've read a bit on the science of sleep, and one thing known is that our "internal clock" in your brain is not really designed to keep time by itself for long. Instead, it was "reset" every day by the early sunlight (this makes sense since the sunrise and sundown times also change every day). But now we have light 24 hours a day, and it completely ruins things for our brains

    Some useful facts:

    • If you put people in a place where there is no night/day cycle (e.g. a cave) they will usually end up with sleep/wake cycles longer than 24 hours. Sometimes much longer, closer to 48 than 24
    • However it varies by person, which is the main cause why some people are "night owls" and others are "early birds"
    • Being in front of a computer screen before going to bed will inhibit the melatonin production and make it hard to sleep. Blue light is the one that has a stronger effect, which is why programs like f.lux or twilight that "redden" your screen can help against this.
    • According to some anecdotal evidence on the internet, going on a camping outdoors for a week or so (away from all artificial light) will completely fix your sleep schedule
    • I wrote another paragraph here but Discourse forgot to apply my edit
    • If you have any more questions, like "why do we even sleep in the first place" or "why do we dream", the scientific answer is probably "we ain't got a clue".

  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @cartman82 said:

    For people who hate their alarm clocks, try setting your alarm half an hour earlier for a week and then wind it back to normal. You should start waking up on your own and still have alarm as a fallback.

    ... for a week.


    @Zemm said:

    Wasn't it daylight savings change this week?

    Stateside maybe. Not for the UK. BST starts Mar 29th (two Sundays hence.)


  • sockdevs

    @PJH said:

    Stateside maybe

    stateside yes, where we observe DST anyway. and that's a complicated mess in some places.


  • :belt_onion:

    Anyone tried this?

    I think I'll give it a go next week, see how it does. Worst case scenario, it rings at the same time as my regular alarm. Which I'll keep set for like 2 minutes later, just in case this thing decides to fail spectacularly.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @accalia said:

    stateside yes, where we observe DST anyway

    Except where you don't...


  • sockdevs

    my that picture looks familliar... :stuck_out_tongue:



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Being in front of a computer screen before going to bed will inhibit the melatonin production and make it hard to sleep. Blue light is the one that has a stronger effect, which is why programs like f.lux or twilight that "redden" your screen can help against this.

    I've found I sleep significantly better when reading on my e-reader before sleeping, rather than my phone.

    (e-reader frontlight disabled; bedside light is halogen.)



  • Hmmm. I just set my alarm for 7am, 8am and 9am, with a 15 minute snooze and increasingly irritating alarm sounds. AFAICT, I was sleeping right through a single 7am alarm (which kind of defeats the point....)


  • :belt_onion:

    3 hours total? What is that: "On time", "might get fired", and "need to clean my desk before those bastards steal it all"? :P



  • Something like that... ;D



  • Although not as flexible as completely working remote, I love my job for the fact that no one cares when I show up to the office or how long I stay (within reason). It is fully acceptable to shift my arrival and departure times by a whole 2 hours regularly, and work half-days and remotely on occasion. I do have to maintain ~80 hours of work a pay period for auditing purposes, but the software only records hours/day not clock in/out times, so I can do all the manipulation I mentioned above without HR finding out (they might care, but they'll never know!).

    This is all very useful because I often sleep through or ignore my alarm.



  • @tar said:

    Hmmm. I just set my alarm for 7am, 8am and 9am, with a 15 minute snooze and increasingly irritating alarm sounds. AFAICT, I was sleeping right through a single 7am alarm (which kind of defeats the point....)

    I'm not quite that bad; I've got my alarm clock set to 7:30 but I'm liable to hit the snooze without waking up properly. So I took to setting my phone alarm to 7:45 with the puzzle mode enabled; that tends to be an effective combination.


  • :belt_onion:

    @PleegWat said:

    So I took to setting my phone alarm to 7:45 with the puzzle mode enabled; that tends to be an effective combination.

    I do the same currently. Using this:



  • I like being able to snooze: I'd much rather have my alarm set an hour early and doze for a while than have a single final ultimatum and be forced to drag myself out of bed immediately.

    I did consider a second alarm across the room though, so you have to get out of bed to disarm it...


  • sockdevs

    @tar said:

    I did consider a second alarm across the room though, so you have to get out of bed to disarm it...

    that worked wonders for me until my aim improved and i nailed the thing with a shoe.



  • I initially had a longer interval between the two; it got shortened in the hope it led to less snoozing after the puzzle. It did.



  • @accalia said:

    that worked wonders for me until my aim improved and i nailed the thing with a shoe.

    I wonder how long it would take before I was able to do that without waking up, though...


  • sockdevs

    well there is one alarm i've never been able to sleep through ever.

    the silent alarm on this thing.

    that will get your attention!



  • I find snoozing worse somehow, though I still do it. When you snooze, it feels like dreams are far more vivid (probably because I haven't slept enough and I'm interrupting REM sleep) which makes it even harder to get out of bed.


  • sockdevs

    @accalia said:

    that worked wonders for me until my aim improved and i nailed the thing with a shoe.

    Run Away Alarm Clock – 00:46
    — mart828

    Or, as you say:
    @accalia said:
    the silent alarm on this thing.

    that will get your attention!


    …and now my mind is coming up with places to put one that weren't in the designer's mind…


  • sockdevs

    there's already an alarm clock designed for that

    it's the internet, of course there is.

    According to the reviews it's a good idea but poor implementation.



  • @dstopia said:

    When you snooze, it feels like dreams are far more vivid (probably because I haven't slept enough and I'm interrupting REM sleep)

    I actually quite enjoy that part!


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    My million dollar idea (with a shitload of liability issues) is an alarm clock tied to an IV that 30-45 minutes before you have to get up would dose you with caffeine to make it easier to get up and more functional when you do. If it would not lead to people bleeding to death or getting massive infections, I would patent it, mock it up and sell it to Starbucks.



  • @Polygeekery said:

    it would... lead to people bleeding to death or getting massive infections...

    You could attempt to administer the caffeine orally, that might be less dangerous (and more slapstick...)

    Filed under: of course, there are also other means of administration...


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    @tar said:

    You could attempt to administer the caffeine orally, that might be less dangerous (and more slapstick...)

    Filed under: of course, there are also other means of administration...

    Neither of those options would work on married women...so back to the drawing board...



  • @Polygeekery said:

    IV

    Dunno about how caffeine is absorbed, but not all injections are intravenous. Insulin for example is done with subcutaneous injections.


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