Vivaldi!!!!!!!!! (it's a web browser I guess)



  • Why is this in Side Bar WTF?

    But Vivaldi's interface does not rely on the same code you'll find in Chrome or Opera. In fact, the interface is written entirely with Web technologies, primarily Javascript and CSS. Javascript, React, Node.js, Browserify, and "a long list of NPM modules" create the Vivaldi UI. As the website puts it, "Vivaldi is the Web built with the Web."



  • The Atwood's Law thread is 🎦 ⤴ 😞 that way



  • So they use their dom rendering engine to draw the UI. Doesn't Chrome already do that? In the dev tools, for instance?


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    @blakeyrat said:

    In fact, the interface is written entirely with Web technologies

    🤦

    @blakeyrat said:

    Node.js

    Ah, there we go, the reason this exists. Because Node is teh coolz!



  • @blakeyrat said:

    the interface is written entirely with Web technologies

    there goes my faith in the ex opera developers.



  • I like the name. The rest, not so much.@blakeyrat said:

    a long list of NPM modules

    If they used this NPM, there might be a prayer of it actually working:


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    @Jarry said:

    there goes my faith in the ex opera developers.

    Oh hell, I just now read that bit. They are attempting to remake Opera 12... in HTML?

    Otter actually has the right idea. But remaking Opera 12 features in HTML and JS? Oh, yeah, that will end well! I see another Discourse in the making...

    Actually, downloading now so I can test Discourse in it. Because if there's a single spot where they didn't guard against JS running on the site affecting the UI... This is going to be fun!



  • I liked that tidbit from the article:

    The problem is bad enough that a future version of Firefox will even have a feature dedicated to letting you know which of your add-ons is slowing you down.

    I distinctly remember IE having this feature for several years now.


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    And now for the fun part: what's broken, browser or Discourse?

    Well, so far it's actually pretty fast. Looks like shit because it doesn't follow a single OS theme setting. Including the text selection colour.

    Speaking of colours...

    Yes, it does that while changing tabs. Not sure where it gets the idea about the colour to use. Guessing the favicon.

    Dev tools are, of course, standard Chrome. So. no Dragonfly remake attempt yet, which is the "killer feature" that would make me consider it.

    Mouse gestures... seems like a subset of them works. Back, forward and refresh, including rocker gestures. New tab and more advanced ones don't work.

    Panels work. Still no mail client. There is no downloads tab, CtrlJ opens the downloads panel instead. However:

    Thank you! See? Simple, I see what's happening. Looks decent. Pausing / resuming doesn't work though.

    CtrlZ reopens closed tabs. CtrlShiftV is paste and go. So they seem to have Opera 12 shortcuts down.

    Speed dial looks fine, didn't poke around much. But I think I already managed to slow it down by typing this post and fiddling with tabs.

    Yeah, that's... a bit much IMHO.

    Well... interesting experiment, I guess? Their heart is in the right place on the Opera 12 remake, they seem to be doing a decent job of it. But I still don't think this is the way. If anything stands a chance it's Otter IMHO.


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    Oh... shit...

    Tab... tab stacking... it works... I... I can stack tabs again...

    *bites lip*

    No, this is wrong! I will not use a browser written in Node! No! NO! NOOOOOOO!!!

    Tab stacking works...



  • @cartman82 said:

    So they use their dom rendering engine to draw the UI. Doesn't Chrome already do that? In the dev tools, for instance?

    Probably, that would confirm the "this is a WTF" aspect, considering how awful Chrome's dev tools UI is.

    @Rhywden said:

    I distinctly remember IE having this feature for several years now.

    IE also had developers tools (in the form of DOM toolbar) long before Firefox had Firebug. Yet somehow Firefox gets the credit for "inventing" them.

    @Onyx said:

    Yes, it does that while changing tabs. Not sure where it gets the idea about the colour to use. Guessing the favicon.

    Windows Vista and 7 had an algorithm to highlight icons on the taskbar by examining their colors. The difference was, it was subtle and not eye-searingly awful.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    IE also had developers tools (in the form of DOM toolbar) long before Firefox had Firebug. Yet somehow Firefox gets the credit for "inventing" them.

    i think their UI is still so horrible that no one wants to acknowledge its existence.

    @blakeyrat said:

    considering how awful Chrome's dev tools UI is.

    Keep on keepin' on, blakey.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    considering how awful Chrome's dev tools UI is

    Everything is shit after Dragonfly. Sadly, it is now dead, gone, and seemingly forgotten.



  • Do you remember why the UI is "shit?" If not, do you think you could predict the answer?


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    @boomzilla said:

    Do you remember why the UI is "shit?" If not, do you think you could predict the answer?

    I don't even care about the UI in this case tbh. It's Dragonfly's features and ease of use that I miss.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    IE also had developers tools some random broken things that were called 'developer tools'

    FTFY

    seriously. the IE < 10 dev tools were so broken that nobody in his right mind would use them



  • When they were introduced in IE 5.5 they were the bees knees, far better than anything else that existed at the time.

    ... They didn't age well.



  • @Jarry said:

    seriously. the IE < 10 dev tools were so broken that nobody in his right mind would use them

    Dude, when you were doing IE 5.5 development you had the choice between DOM Toolbar and :tumbleweeds:

    @TwelveBaud said:

    When they were introduced in IE 5.5 they were the bees knees, far better than anything else that existed at the time.

    ^- what he said



  • I stand corrected. by that time i was 14. i didn't use dev tools.

    however from my experience with >6 they were unusable, not bad, in comparison to other dev tools, simply unusable


  • SockDev

    huh...... /me wanders off to boot up a VM to test this in


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