Backups shall not DoS the frakking server!
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They have looked at everything on the market and don't like any of them
We're having good luck with Symantec Endpoint Encryption. I was shocked that a Symantec product didn't suck.
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And NetApp doesn't represent another moving part how ?
It's one part that performs the functions of both the SAN and file server. There's a 95% chance that it contains nothing other than an embedded Linux server anyways, but at least it's purpose built and it lives on the storage processors, which are already fault tolerant.
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That got DQ'd for reasons unknown. We use SEE on desktops and laptops, but not servers. I suspect it interferes with the shitty host based backups.
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They moved to symantec here (from mcafee), possibly partially because it also supports linux and dual boot. But I haven't migrated yet because so far nobody told me I have to for an existing installation.
My laptop hits end-of-life this summer, I'll see what I do then.
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I think SEE on the server may be out because there's no way to run it without a boot password.
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I was shocked that a Symantec product didn't suck.
I wouldn't be shocked if that product was a Vacuum
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This just in: NAS level encryption may be OK in our limited circumstances.
Also, the cause of the issues this morning has been officially determined as "dunno".
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Our VP is on probation due to rampant incompetence
Case closed. Nothing to see people, move on.
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Oddly enough his crimes were before he picked up my unit at all.
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the cause of the issues this morning has been officially determined as "dunno".
In other words:
"Everything's working now, so let's just forget it ever happened."
"But-"
"Forget it ever happened."
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What do you mean? pngs can be animated.
(note: won't work on browsers for babies)
The Animated Portable Network Graphics (APNG) file format is a non-standard extension to the Portable Network Graphics (PNG) specification. It allows for animated PNG files that work similarly to animated GIF files, while supporting 24-bit images and 8-bit transparency not available for GIFs. It also retains backward compatibility with non-animated PNG files.1
Emphasis mine.
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A thing is a standard iff people use it.
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What is that? Never heard of it.
It means do all your porn and warez shopping on an iPad.
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At least it won't take hours to scan the filesystem when you bring it back to life
Unless you forget to disable the automatic
fsck
on reboot, like the IT department at my engineering school did. Their NFS server crashed while I was using a lab computer, it only came back online 5 hours later, after a full disk check.
Filed under: Also NFS blows goats
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it only came back online 5 hours later, after a full disk check.
What was it, a multi-terabyte
ext2
disk or something? O.o
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What was it, a multi-terabyte
ext2
disk or something? O.oProbably a multi-terabyte
ext3
disk... Whenfsck
is run at boot because of a scheduled disk check (“/dev/somedisk has gone 42 days without being checked, check forced”), it ignores the journal and checks everything.
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A thing is a standard iff people use it.
There are two types of standards. De facto standards are standards because people use them. De jure standards are enforced by law.
APNG is neither.
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Storage, in particular is around a buck a meg.
We get our highly-resilient storage at £300/TB/year (and think that's expensive) but your storage is like more than 2000 times that…
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Probably a multi-terabyte
ext3
disk... Whenfsck
is run at boot because of a scheduled disk check (“/dev/somedisk has gone 42 days without being checked, check forced”), it ignores the journal and checks everything.
Tell your sysadmin to disable this so next time you won't spend 5 hours waiting for it
tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 /dev/somedisk
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@Weng complained before that his workplace has some WTFy mandatory supplier for storage.
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If they are paying a buck a MB, they are getting screwed. Our raw cost on storage is 16 cents a GB, and that is N+1 redundant for each node.
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Yes, but it's all internal, so really they're just masturbating.
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Remove from right pocket, put in left.
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So...not happy to see me?
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Not really. Datacenter is outsourced to a third party. That's their price to us.
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Whoops...I thought it was an internal service center.
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That's their price to us.
Every time I see that price, my jaw drops. Whoever is keeping you with them is either certifiably insane, or getting the kickback deal of the century.
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We're not just still with them. We're moving more in all the time.
And a buck a meg is a bit of hyperbole. I don't remember the rate off the top of my head. It's still goddamn astronomical, though. More than a buck a gig for sure, though.
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You say that like I can just spin up a VM.
Bring in your personal laptop. Don't tell anyone that it's not a work machine so they don't freak out.
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More than a buck a gig for sure, though.
I am pretty sure of that also. The costs I quoted were for a cold storage application. IOPS don't matter there. If you have to tier storage, it gets much more expensive and the price there largely is a factor of your total data footprint and what percentage of it is hot data.
But a buck per MB would be goddamned highway robbery combined with assault with a purple dildo...in front of your grandmother.
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My system is less than 1 percent hot. Vanishingly small in fact. We are vastly write once, read once, hang onto it for awhile as CYA. At any moment, there are probably less than 100 hot files (discounting about 10mb of WORM data) totaling less than 100mb (with peaks to maybe a gig). Lifetime from hot to cold is usually under a minute. At most a few hours.
My system deals with what our IT goons term an astronomical amount of data. Or, in my terms, "I can buy a 4 Bay consumer NAS bigger than that". It's data in, process it, hold it for a few days just in case, then dump it.
If they're doing tiered storage in the background, they're very quiet about it. I'll post my latest quote for disk tomorrow. It's all line disk rate.
Maybe because they don't want to have to deal with most application owners who will request cold storage because it's cheaper and then complain about performance. Or maybe it's a massive money maker.
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But a buck per MB would be goddamned highway robbery combined with assault with a purple dildo...in front of your grandmother.
At my last company, the data center charged us about $2200 for 50GB. They also charged two grand for 2U of rack space and 2 gigabit ethernet hookups. It was impossible to build a server for less than ten thousand dollars.
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If we used rack servers instead of blades, I'd be asking where that was.
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My system is less than 1 percent hot. Vanishingly small in fact. We are vastly write once, read once, hang onto it for awhile as CYA. At any moment, there are probably less than 100 hot files (discounting about 10mb of WORM data) totaling less than 100mb (with peaks to maybe a gig). Lifetime from hot to cold is usually under a minute. At most a few hours.
Holy christ, that is a small footprint of hot data. You don't even need to tier it. That much can fit in memory. How much total storage space?
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At my last company, the data center charged us about $2200 for 50GB. They also charged two grand for 2U of rack space and 2 gigabit ethernet hookups. It was impossible to build a server for less than ten thousand dollars.
The $2200 figure, is that per month or per year?
As for rackspace and bandwidth, is that an internal cross connect or connection to the outside? For an external connection, that is not too bad. If it is internal, you are getting hosed. Hell, my datacenter does not even charge a cross connect fee.
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$2200 is a "lifetime" cost. They use four years as the estimated life span of the hardware.
The network connection is just to the datacenter network. They claim most of the cost is labor - racking the server, configuring the network, and whatever physical service you need over the lifetime of the server.
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$2200 is a "lifetime" cost. The use four years as the estimated life span of the hardware.
Oh...that's not bad then. Actually a pretty good cost.
Also, I have never in my life heard of such a way of putting a price on server space/time. It reminds me of CarMax and their "No-haggle pricing" or something.
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Oh...that's not bad then. Actually a pretty good cost.
If you sell a 36TB SAN as 720 chunks of 50GB each for $2200 each, you take in about a million and a half dollars. Spend $100k on a top-of-the-line SAN, another $100k for 100TB of cheaper storage to be used for D2D backups, another $100k for software, and hire one guy to manage nothing but this one SAN for 100% of his time at $400k over four years. That gives you $800k in profit and you didn't even try hard.
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That's technology for you. The profit curves are like a hockey stick. The product we are about to launch is competitively priced and still has a gross profit margin of 92% before dedup and hits 97% at reasonable dedup levels.
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Here's the scary part... This was our corporate datacenter's chargeback rate. They don't make a profit. They calculate costs by figuring out how much it costs them to deliver a service and dividing that cost between the users. Somehow they spent the entire million and a half.
In the seven years I worked there, on two occasions the entire storage infrastructure went down company-wide. Each time was nearly for an entire day. The root cause both times was the IBM system that acted as an orchestration layer on top of the actual SANs.
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In the seven years I worked there, on two occasions the entire storage infrastructure went down company-wide. Each time was nearly for an entire day. The root cause both times was the IBM system that acted as an orchestration layer on top of the actual SANs.
That sounds like a WTF. If the orchestration layer goes down, it seems like it should preserve the status quo until it is back up. It may not be 100% performant, but it should remain functional.
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If you sell a 36TB SAN as 720 chunks of 50GB each for $2200 each, you take in about a million and a half dollars. Spend $100k on a top-of-the-line SAN, another $100k for 100TB of cheaper storage to be used for D2D backups, another $100k for software, and hire one guy to manage nothing but this one SAN for 100% of his time at $400k over four years. That gives you $800k in profit and you didn't even try hard.
Just for reference, there are SANs that top a million bucks... I obviously have no clue which one they bought.
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well then that's a local phenomen
aon thenFTFY.
Explanation: see http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/show-all-madness/6844/53 for the explanation and Greek lesson.
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.... pedantry flag denied. not original enough and lacks excessive dickweedery.
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.... pedantry flag denied. not original enough and lacks excessive dickweedery.
I wasn't fishing for a flag (the explanatory post I linked to got a pendant badger already and it would feel like cheating to get 2 badgers for pointing out the same kind of gramming error).
I just want to make the world a better place, one correction at a time.
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Just for reference, there are SANs that top a million bucks... I obviously have no clue which one they bought.
Sure, but million dollar SANs have more than 36TB of storage in them. 36TB of usable space is about 4U of an enterprise-grade SAN. $100K for two drawers is up in EMC territory. We use 3PAR stuff at the current job and we pay a lot less than that.
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15 bucks a gig for 3 years. Plus an additional 7.50 for backups