VMWare installer weirdness


  • kills Dumbledore

    Installing VMWare to try out the Windows 10 technical preview:

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what it's meant to look like. At a guess, it's some sort of high DPI WTF, but I don't think I've got any weird settings on that front, so it's a complete testing fail



  • Yesterday I read that Oracle has pretty much abandoned... Wait! I thought you were talking about VirtualBox. Carry on.


  • BINNED

    @Eldelshell said:

    VirtualBox

    That thing is really starting to piss me off. Also, VmWare, which decides to shit itself when recompiling kernel modules on every other kernel upgrade.

    I really need to either find a nice GUI for qemu or learn how to use it...



  • @Onyx said:

    a nice GUI for qemu

    virt-manager? Not sure about 'nice', but it ought to check the other boxes...

    EDIT: FWIW, I found it easier to get on with than Hyper-V...



  • I didn't get on with Hyper-V either, but as someone here pointed out, it's more designed for servers than workstations.


  • SockDev

    it sure is. for one thing it disables CPU frequency scaling when it's running, pegging your computer to maximum CPU speed.....

    WHY?! it should be able to scale back the processor at 5PM when everyone goes home and the VMS stop getting load!

    GAH!



  • There's several GUIs for qemu, but they're "open source quality" GUIs, so you might have to relax your definition of "nice".


    Filed under: sometimes I actually agree with blakeyrat



  • It breaks Virtualbox too for some reason. You can't have Hyper-V installed and use 64-bit VMs in Virtualbox.

    I didn't notice the CPU scaling being disabled so handy to know considering it's a laptop.

    I'll stick with VirtualBox and VMWare (for Win 10).


  • SockDev

    @loopback0 said:

    I didn't notice the CPU scaling being disabled so handy to know considering it's a laptop.

    i found out about that when i enabled it on my surface and it got very unhappy.


  • area_deu

    TRWTF is inappropiate cooling systems.


  • SockDev

    well that is a :wtf:

    but no TRWTF is hypervisor disabling frequency scaling


  • SockDev

    @accalia said:

    i found out about that when i enabled it on my surface and it got very unhappy.

    Why is Hyper-V even available on a Surface?


  • SockDev

    because it runs windows 8.1


  • SockDev

    Well, yes, but who runs VMs on a tablet?


  • SockDev

    it's conveniant to isolate development environments.

    tablet runs my OS and i turn on a VM if i want to do Linux development, or use visualstudio.

    maybe crazy, but it works



  • Why wouldn't you? I had Ubuntu running briefly on my tablet...{
    Along android}



  • It is a high DPI fail, you look like you're at around 150%. In "screen resolution" properties, find the link that says "make text larger or smaller" if you want to change it, but usually (VMware aside) apps have gotten better at dealing with that, now that Windows defaults to 150% on some monitors.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @accalia said:

    tablet runs my OS and i turn on a VM if i want to do Linux development, or use visualstudio.

    maybe crazy, but it works

    Wouldn't it make more sense (generally speaking, perhaps not in your use case) to host your VMs elsewhere and remote desktop into them?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @TwelveBaud said:

    It is a high DPI fail, you look like you're at around 150%.

    High DPI compat was considerably increased in Windows 8, and drastically so in 8.1, btw. My company's app is hosed by high dpi on versions prior to 8, but it works on 8+.

    Of course, since most of our customers aren't on 8 and won't be for a while, I spent a bunch of time last year modifying the thing to allow users to scale the window to fixed sizes, as is was about the best I could do with the limitations of the environment.


  • SockDev

    well yes, but then that would tie me to having an internet connection that's capable of supporting the connection. and when i go up to rural Maine for Robotics events the internet there could give @ben_lubar a run for the worst service ever.



  • @Onyx said:

    Also, VmWare, which decides to shit itself when recompiling kernel modules on every other kernel upgrade.

    Seems like they got past that a few versions ago. Still, it's caused me to be more careful about upgrading.



  • I liked Xen when I used it, but ... I can't quite recommend it. It's kind of like OpenGL. There have been about 110 different ways to run it, and now you have to know how to use it to figure out if a tutorial/document is relevant.

    Plus it's not really appliance-oriented (which I like, for spinning up fresh development environments).

    Dead VirtualBox is bad.



  • @FrostCat said:

    Wouldn't it make more sense (generally speaking, perhaps not in your use case) to host your VMs elsewhere and remote desktop into them?

    Generally, definitely. But sometimes you have to test something and have no other choice but to run it locally - I've been in this position a few times testing Ubuntu releases before setting them up as (internal) web hosts. We managed to wrangle a few ESXi hosts out of IT though so no more worries there.


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