Need some not-coding help
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Your average troll probably wouldn't care, or would actually like it.
With some of them, it would improve their grammar.
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With some of them, it would improve their grammar.
It just occurred to me--don't swap out homonyms, swap out equivalent slang from other places. "You got your Cockney in my hip-hop!"
INB4 "that's what she said"
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HEY! I RECOMPILE THAT REMARK!
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I think resemble is the word you are looking for
That word is stuck at the bottom of her gramming bin.
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Reddit uses shadowbanning, under that term.
There's a place to post if you want to check whether you've been shadowbanned: http://www.reddit.com/r/shadowban
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You Ren and Stimpy that remark.
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One variant I made, but was only useful for bots, was to return a page that LOOKED like their post was taken, but just dropped it on the floor.
I didn't know you're a Discourse dev.
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This topic is scaring me.
I have no reason to believe I wasn't shadowbanned already for insulting the community's members.
None of the replies to any of my posts required more than the AI technology available today.
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How does none of the replies to any of your posts require more than the AI technology available today make you feel?
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Hey, whatever happened to that @CreatedToDislikeThis guy? I haven't seen him post in a few days.
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use @accalia's posts as seed to add some random spelling/typo's
Trouble is, sometimes, figuring out what word was actually typo'd to fill the dictionary - sometimes even the context doesn't help...
Unless you were just going to select them at random anyway.
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figuring out what word was actually typo'd to fill the dictionary
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nice.... shot.....
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You Know What Also Helps?
Capitalizing Every Word In Their Sentences.
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Capitalizing Every Word
OMG stop that.
Oh wait, I just thought of something MUCH funnier. Look for l337-sp34k and un-leet it.
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OMG stop that.
I Knew Someone On A Forum Who Always Did That, But Luckily She Didn't Post Often.
Her English wasn't exactly great, either.
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Her English wasn't exactly great, either.
THERE'S A COMMENTER ON A BLOG I READ WHO TYPES LIKE THIS FOR SOME REASON.
My son used to do that with in-game chat in a couple of games. I yelled at him all the time, and I think he has stopped.
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You Know What Also Helps?
Capitalizing Every Word In Their Sentences.Title/Proper Casing?
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You Know What Also Helps?
Capitalizing Every Word In Their Sentences.Also randomly, shift the punctuation by a word or. two
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Also randomly, shift the punctuation by a word or. two
Or ROT13 random substrings within their text.
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THERE'S A COMMENTER ON A BLOG I READ WHO TYPES LIKE THIS FOR SOME REASON.
Filed under: we should onebox the hell out of bash.org
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Title/Proper Casing?
youCouldAlwaysCamelCaseEverything.aReallyLongPieceOfCamelCasedTextCanBeAstoundinglyDifficultToRead,andItWouldCertainlyPutMeOffHavingAnythingFurtherToDoWithTheSiteIfItWereToHappenPersistently.
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youCouldAlwaysCamelCaseEverything.aReallyLongPieceOfCamelCasedTextCanBeAstoundinglyDifficultToRead,andItWouldCertainlyPutMeOffHavingAnythingFurtherToDoWithTheSiteIfItWereToHappenPersistently.
AndThenSomeoneComesAndStartsUsingPascalCaseJustToBeADick.
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While the ideas are funny, I don't think many of them are appropriate. Besides the hellbanning/shadowbanning correctly mentioned by @blakeyrat I really think all the effects should look like plain old bugs and performance problems and not deliberate.
So occasionally showing blank screen or 404? Definitely. Mixing up links? Can be. Logging the user out at random? Sure (keep a cookie around so the forum still looks broken though!).
But breaking formatting from timer? I'd rather not. Perhaps randomly send out broken html/css, but I'd fear timer would be rather suspicious. Randomly replacing text in their posts? That does not look like bug either. Plus I fear a troll would not really mind and for others they could just be more annoying that way.
I'll add one idea. You could implement something like the Discourse toasters, with sensibly looking texts, but show them on semi-randomly with nonsensical conditions. That could be annoying and still look like a badly broken feature.
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That does not look like bug either.
ISTM the end goal is not "look like a bug" but "annoy the troll enough to go away".
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Yes, that is indeed funny.
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Some trolls, if presented with evidence that the forum is trying to drive them away, will respond with even more trolling. If it looks like bugs the hope is they'll just get bored and leave it. The same hope applies ot shadowbanning
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Some trolls, if presented with evidence that the forum is trying to drive them away, will respond with even more trolling.
Oh, I know. The one experience I had with that, someone was abusing HTML, which we allowed in our forum. I applied "help him say what he really meant" by watching for the particular tag he was abusing and replacing it with "i am an idiot whose ego outstrips my talent". After two more tries, he left forever, because apparently he was a one-trick pony.
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It's a bit different. You patched a hole he was abusing and to him it looked like you patched a hole, not done anything specifically against him, so he didn't see point in trying to create another account or other ways to "return through the window when you kicked him out of the door". But a normal troll who sees the forum is trying to piss him off may try. If the forum just looks like it stopped working properly, they are much less likely to.
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This is ultimately the way I'm playing it: give the admin the tools to set it up how they want. If they want to play with things that just look like genuine errors, they can. If they want to make it look ever more levels of broken, again, that's up to them too.
And if they just want to troll people for shits 'n' giggles, that's also fine too.
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I can think of someone that fits at least 5 of those 6 archetypes.
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And if they just want to troll people for shits 'n' giggles, that's also fine too.
Doing It Wrong™
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Jeff again.If the errors are obvious the user will note and it'll be the same as baning him.
in a forum we had a hellbaned user that continued to post almost a year after the hellban.
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Jeff talking sense. TRWTF.
I'm just planning on giving the choices to the admin as to what they can deploy. The plan is to have largely per-user punishments/trolling so you can have whatever works for the user you're dealing with.
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You patched a hole he was abusing and to him it looked like you patched a hole, not done anything specifically against him
Nah, he knew. For one thing we'd been talking to him about it and other forum-related things, and for another, the message specifically mocked him.
I've also seen blog comment trolls over the years have the same thing happen--the blogger gets sick of them and rewrites their rants to "i love the taste and texture of paste". It's hard even for a troll to misunderstand that.
Trolls live to cause consternation among the other denizens. If they can't do that because their "wit" is being removed, they don't have much of a point in staying.
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in a forum we had a hellbaned user that continued to post almost a year after the hellban.
Sounds like the user was a dumbass.
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You could also emulate the behavior of possibly the most useful Chrome extension ever.
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Another awesome idea
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Ok, if you have experience replacing rants with something obviously silly and mocking the poster works, I'll believe you. It would be a useful tool in the toolbox then.
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Outright mocking the poster, no. Mocking the poster in a form of shadowban though... that can work
(As in herpderpify the posts for everyone who isn't the poster)
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Ok, if you have experience replacing rants with something obviously silly and mocking the poster works, I'll believe you
It does, but it works better if a human manually does it, because then you can tailor it to things that you know will annoy the troll. "Automatically replace the text of a users' posts with stuff from a canned list" is less flexible unless you make a big list. OTOH, again, if nothing the troll posts survives as he wrote it, even if it's all "i'm an idiot, hee hee hee", is a massive disincentive, because it won't piss the other denizens off, which, remember, is generally the point.
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Nah, he knew. For one thing we'd been talking to him about it and other forum-related things, and for another, the message specifically mocked him.
I've also seen blog comment trolls over the years have the same thing happen--the blogger gets sick of them and rewrites their rants to "i love the taste and texture of paste". It's hard even for a troll to misunderstand that.
Trolls live to cause consternation among the other denizens. If they can't do that because their "wit" is being removed, they don't have much of a point in staying.Similar to the hellban, have the troll's posts appear as normal to him, but as "Nice post!" to everyone else. So they will just see replies to them that say "Thank you!"
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That leads to people either thanking them in thread and causing them to get upset or realize they're banned. You could either don't show them the next post after the banned user posts or just stop all posts altogether after the banned user posts.
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Outright mocking the poster, no. Mocking the poster in a form of shadowban though... that can work
Are you trying to get rid of someone posting on your forum, or are you directing the most boring Saw movie ever?
Just ban them, and mute them if they insist on coming back.
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This isn't a problem for my forums. But that's not the point of this in the first place...
Suspension, Ban or Hellban?
