$10 PROVES this is a Paid Job



  • HEY GUYS - this looks like a completely legit opportunity. SERIOUS BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY!

    PART TIME POSITION
    GUARANTEED ONE TIME FIXED BID PAY UPON COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT
    This is not a commissioned based job. You are not selling anything.
    
    Job Summary
    Positions Available: 1-2
    Location: Work from home
    Duration: Before launch (goal is before May, 2015, but could take a year) followed by being available for up to 5 years (Contract required) (Approximately 6 years total)
    
    This is a guaranteed fixed pay position of $10.00 (Proves this is a paid job).
    Bonus Pay Option:
    Pay: Max 3% annual business profits up to capped $2,000,000 guaranteed through a contract drafted by an international lawyer of the team's choice.
    Here are the choices up to 5 years availability after launch date and you choose:
    5 hours a day (20 hours a week) = $2,000,000 at 3% ($200,000 more than 4 hour option)
    4 hours a day (16 hours a week) = $1,800,000 at 3%
    
    These bonus are paid depending on how long you remained within the time frame of your contract. You redeem a percentage of your total when you reach milestones. 
    
    Work Type: Keep your day job. This is an "off work," position for Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. If you can't work those days, don't apply. This position is only for those who have a full time job (way to pay bills) and extra time after work who look for extra money and willing to risk extra time instead of watching television or doing typical household chores.
    
    The Web Developer is joining a new venture start-up team to be involved in developing a pioneering intellectual property website. This website fills a huge market gap and is predicted to be highly profitable. The web developer will provide a role to conceptualize, design, and program the front and back ends.
    
    Knowledge:
    Must have a bachelor's degree in Computer science, Web development, or related filed or Associates degree plus equivalent experience.
    10+ years of experience in managing large scale websites and vast amount of experience in database architect. Work experience to include website and web applications development and multimedia development experience in a corporate or commercial setting.
    
    Required Skills not limited to, but includes:
    PHP, HTML/CSS, JavaScript, MySQL, Servers,. . .
    Web Master, Technical Manager, Senior Architect Expert/Professional 
    Adobe Photoshop
    Excellent communication skills, both verbal and written
    Responds to emails within 24 hours.
    Must be available to meet unexpectedly on Skype during the hours that you work on this project.
    
    Ability:
    Aesthetic and clean ability for websites
    Willingness to learn
    Willingness to redo works until right
    Ability to innovate and give supportive feedback
    Can do attitude and self-motivated
    Complete deadlines under pressure while maintaining high quality work
    Prioritizes multiple tasks
    Work in teams with IP lawyer, founder, marketing team, and others
    Ability to research and give proper presentations
    Analytical abilities
    Be willing to team work with your fellow web developer and work fair amount of work loads.
    Knows how to program websites that have complex frameworks and user interfaces
    - Example of complex user interface: Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Freelancer, and etc.
    Must have fluent knowledge and in the creation of complex websites.
    Must have knowledge in computing servers and ability to research them.
    Must be willing to do tasks other than what is in the ad when asked.
    Required to work assigned hours in hourly management style per week. There is no objective management in this project.
    Have leadership ability.
    
    Must:
    Have great quality webcam for Skype calls
    Great internet connection for Skype calls
    Fluent English Speaking
    Must have great organizational skills.
    Must have a printer and paper.
    Must have thick skin: Not easily offended, accept constructive criticism, and a blunt/to-the-point tones. Don't apply if you're thin skin.
    This is an enormous project. Expect to work with distant workers like yourself across the globe. Utmost dedication is requested. 
    

    http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cpg/4815805409.html

    ANY TAKERS????



  • No can do. Out of printer paper.



  • Who doesn't want to work for free after they get home from their regular full time job, in the hope of eventually maybe getting a share of the profits from a startup website? Pretty sure this is the kind of opportunity all those vastly experienced people have just been waiting for.

    After all, what's not to love about a job where:

    • the job description basically has you do everything, and you have to be willing to do any other type of work they forgot to put in the job description
    • the job description pretty much says "hey, instead of having a social life, how would you like to do some extra work for free instead?"
    • you have to be available for meetings on demand
    • the client basically says upfront that they're going to be endlessly picky and make you redo everything over and over and over
    • and you'll have to work with a team of people scattered across the globe who are so incapable of finding a proper job that they're willing to sign up to this one for $10.

    As for me, well, sadly I don't have a webcam...



  • Where do you find this shit?



  • @Scarlet_Manuka said:

    you have to be available for meetings on demand

    That is the one that makes this seem like a prank ad as they also say you need some other full time job but don't give times when you need to be available. I mean it could be trying to scam work out of someone, but with the other requirements you'd think they would be trying harder.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Where do you find this shit?

    pittsburgh.craigslist.org



  • Do you mean "why were you looking at work on craigslist for Pittsburgh?" Or did you not read far enough to see the link?



  • Feels like the Nigerian scammers. Anyone smart enough to see that this is stupid in 0.2 seconds is immediately screened out, leaving the bottom 2 percent.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @mark_bowytz said:

    This is a guaranteed fixed pay position of $10.00

    That's per hour right?



  • Putting yourself in the ad-poster's shoes, would you really want the type of person who is clever enough to respond to be actually working for you?



  • "Must have thick skin: Not easily offended, accept constructive criticism, and a blunt/to-the-point tones. Don't apply if you're thin skin."

    Terrific. I wonder what they plan on saying to their "employees"?



  • @mark_bowytz said:

    Approximately 6 years total

    @mark_bowytz said:

    This is a guaranteed fixed pay position of $10.00

    Calculating the hourly wage is left as an exercise to the reader.

    @mark_bowytz said:

    Pay: Max 3% annual business profits up to capped $2,000,000 guaranteed through a contract drafted by an international lawyer of the team's choice.

    It's nice how they wave those two million in front of your face instead of doing the math and making it "max $60k/year", which is not even an offer that tempting. And it's not only "up to" 2 million depending on the profit, it's also "up to" 3% (depending, by the wording, on the contract).

    Also, putting in 25% more work gives you a (potential) 11% salary increase.

    @mark_bowytz said:

    This position is only for those who have a full time job (way to pay bills) and extra time after work who look for extra money and willing to risk extra time instead of watching television or doing typical household chores.

    Let's see, I have an 8-hour a day job, add 1 hour to commute, then 5 hours of this. That's 14 hours in total. Four days a week. For six years.

    It's like a bad Capitalist America joke.

    @mark_bowytz said:

    10+ years of experience in managing large scale websites and vast amount of experience in database architect.

    I have an experience with database architect, I slept with our DBA once. (Okay, I didn't).

    Anyway, the list includes, but is not limited to, 10 years of solid experience + Bachelor's, being a Technical Manager, Senior Architect Expert (or at least Professional, we'll settle on that), and fucking Photoshop.

    Jesus. If it was a gig aimed at college kids who don't know better, it would maybe make sense, but someone with 10 years experience and this very particular set of skills won't even bat an eye on an uncertain $60k.

    @mark_bowytz said:

    Can do attitude

    Oh I can do attitude very well. Fuck you people.

    @mark_bowytz said:

    Complete deadlines under pressure

    ...this is a joke, isn't it? I mean, scratch the wage, scratch the work hours, but they're basically admitting they're as pointy haired as it gets and you're to be at their whim.

    @mark_bowytz said:

    Knows how to program websites that have complex frameworks and user interfaces

    • Example of complex user interface: Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Freelancer, and etc.

    So, "Make us a new Facebook". With a (single) fellow web developer. In a year.

    @mark_bowytz said:

    Have great quality webcam for Skype calls

    Why does it have to be "great quality"? Are you going to adore my handsome face, or what? Because if I were to be working from home, that could backfire a lot.

    @mark_bowytz said:

    Must:
    (...)
    Fluent English Speaking

    Yes.

    In short, it's another of those "we'll pay you millions when we take off" tricks, except instead of paying millions, they pay you $60k per year. And that's just sad.



  • I was on the fence, but when you put it that way, SOLD!



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    "max $60k/year"

    How did you get $60k/year? "Up to 2MM" for 6 years would be up to $300k. What did I miss?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @dkf said:

    That's per hour right?

    No. It's a single token payment from the looks of it.



  • Agreed. It was not $10 per hour but just $10 one-time payment.
    Up to $2m is assuming the company profits (can't math) ~60m? Probably has a clause excluding VC from income ;)


  • BINNED

    Guessing he took it as 3% of company profits up to a cap of the company making $2M. That works out at $66.67K



  • @Kian said:

    How did you get $60k/year? "Up to 2MM" for 6 years would be up to $300k. What did I miss?

    The 3% bit, presumably.



  • Also, how many companies have profit of even $1M in their first year? Profit, not income.



  • Ah, then he misunderstood. "Max 3% annual business profits up to capped $2,000,000" means, in every context I've ever seen, that you get the least of either 3% or the cap. As Nprz said, up to $66MM profit you make 3%, $66MM and up you get the cap of $2MM.



  • I'd read it as a 3% of a maximum of $2M, rather than the 3% itself being a maximum of $2M.

    Hmmm.



  • Either way, it means working for mere 3% of profit of a startup company. Again - profit, not income; and in first years, companies tend to invest alot.



  • Oh but wait. There's more.

    "Software development for Bitcoin ATM machine"

    http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cpg/4809460686.html



  • I saw an article on those. Sounds legit and totally not like a ripoff from a scam company.


  • BINNED

    @mark_bowytz said:

    ATM machine

    Is it an Automatic ATM Machine?



  • @Jaloopa said:

    Is it an Automatic ATM Machine?

    No its a BAT Machine



  • @mark_bowytz said:

    - Example of complex user interface: Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Freelancer, and etc.

    The space game?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @mark_bowytz said:

    and etc.

    DIE! DIE! DIE!

    Die! Damn you, die!

    Damn. Can't emphasise that enough. Illiterate scams are worse than ordinary scams…


  • BINNED

    Illiterate scams represent a better value proposition to the scammer. The idea is to rope in the most gullible people by including stuff that will raise a red flag for anyone with a hint of skepticism. There's a MS white paper on the phenomenon.



  • Yep, that's why after 20 years those Nigerian prince haven't learnt proper English, they want to filter literate people out because it would cost them more and far more risky.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Jaloopa said:

    Illiterate scams represent a better value proposition to the scammer. The idea is to rope in the most gullible people by including stuff that will raise a red flag for anyone with a hint of skepticism. There's a MS white paper on the phenomenon.

    I don't care. If they're begging someone to take part in some dubious scheme, they could at least not fuck the grammar up in basic ways. It'd be almost worth responding to the ad just so you can take up their time mocking their poor english skills. But don't do it for more than a few minutes; you don't want to spend more than $10-worth of time on it. ;)



  • @Luhmann said:

    No its a BAT Machine

    So is the developer a BAT man?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @KillaCoder said:

    Terrific. I wonder what they plan on saying to their "employees"?

    Assume the best-case scenario is yelling at you for any mistake, no matter how trivial.



  • But the best thing about those Nigerian Princes is that the last monarch of Nigeria was Queen Elizabeth II, so apparently all these spam mails are coming from... Prince Charles?


  • BINNED



  • Probably freelancer.com



  • @Eldelshell said:

    Yep, that's why after 20 years those Nigerian prince haven't learnt proper English, they want to filter literate people out because it would cost them more and far more risky.

    No, they are actually scamming the literate people too. They intentionally use incorrect grammar to make themselves sound stupid. Lots of otherwise smart people have been sucked into the maelstrom by thinking that they are smarter than the scammer. You start with the idea of "I just want to play with these guys and mock their English skills," but then they can really start to work on you and construct a story that you can believe. Like any high-dollar sales organization, once you start talking to the real salesmen you are talking to someone smart enough to earn $600k/year just by talking to customers and I'm sure that they can be extremely persuasive.

    There are probably universities in Nigeria that teach this stuff. They've certainly advanced the science of deception to a very high level.



  • @Qwerty said:

    You start with the idea of "I just want to play with these guys and mock their English skills," but then they can really start to work on you and construct a story that you can believe.

    Eh, I wouldn't say so.

    They just are stupid.



  • @mark_bowytz said:

    Example of complex user interface: Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Freelancer, and etc.

    If those are their examples of complex user interfaces, I want to know what their idea of a simple user interface is. Maybe Notepad?




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