Poll: Are e-sports sports?





  • By e-sports, do you mean like competitive video gaming? Based on:

    Sport

    an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an
    individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

    Based on the amount of energy expended in some of the YouTube videos of those guys screaming at each other and throwing temper tantrums when they lose - possibly?





  • My income is higher than most countries.

    Huh???



  • I assume he means tax revenue.



  • I voted for the comic because it was the largest option by target area, thus if I clicked randomly on the page I had the greatest chance of hitting that one...

    ...does that mean I think e-sports are sports?



  • No.



  • Ok, having viewed the raw after seeing this...

    POLL_NOT_FOUND:

    Edit: Firefox 34.0.5, Linux.



  • @smallshellscript said:

    an activity involving physical exertion

    So, something like fishing, various motorized sports, or ... err.. curling?

    At least the equine sports involve physical exertion (albeit not necessarily by the human participant).

    Filed under: Chess, Also: POLL_NOT_FOUND



  • @PJH said:

    Edit: Firefox 34.0.5, Linux.

    Same result on Chrome 39.0.2171.95 (64-bit), Linux.

    But I was thinking more along the thing where you control a gun over the intertubes and shoot at stuff. Sounds sporting to me.


  • SockDev

    @PJH said:

    Firefox 34.0.5, Linux.

    And Windows 7.

    And Mobile IE.


  • SockDev

    RAW:

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    - [there's an "e-" in there which means "not actually sports"](http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/09/07/espn-boss-declares-esports-not-a-sport/)
    - I don't want to contribute to this discussion, so I'm going with FILE_NOT_FOUND.
    

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    not a CSS issue, that's a full blown HTMLBBMarkCodeDown parsing bug!




  • SockDev

    <table>? <table>

    I thought <table> abuse died over a decade ago?


  • SockDev

    for the most part, yeah.

    but i just finished writing an app that used <table> tags to display..... tabular data! :eek:

    using tables for layout though is still a WTF that needs to be nuked from orbit. it's the only way to be sure.



  • When I read this last night, the poll was there. Whatever changed in that last reload broke it...



  • @cvi said:

    At least the equine sports involve physical exertion (albeit not necessarily by the human participant).

    Not that the horse doesn't need to be in good shape / well trained but if you think those riders aren't athletes, go try to stay on a horse and see how easy it is...

    :horse_racing:



  • @smallshellscript said:

    Not that the horse doesn't need to be in good shape / well trained but if you think those riders aren't athletes, go try to stay on a horse and see how easy it is...

    Not quite the same, but I found this out when I started on dirt bikes. People who don't ride them assume off-roading is easy, but after my first few outings I could barely move for a day or two afterwards because it was a full-body workout.



  • @mott555 said:

    People who don't ride them assume off-roading is easy

    I would bet that it's just as hard or harder since you don't have the horse to help pay attention to where you're going. This can blow back on you, my ex-wife had one that used to get in a mood and would try to scrape you off on any convenient tree or fence...



  • If chess is a sport then so is starcraft.



  • Starcraft is probably a better measure of brain power than chess.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    More fun with work's filter:

    I... guess not?



  • Nope, that's a discobug that popped up since last night.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    Yaaay. :/


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    This seems like a case where they probably don't know what that is so you could just say you have it.



  • @ben_lubar said:

    Nope, that's a discobug that popped up since last night.

    @discoursebot


  • 🔀

    @chubertdev Is Doing It Wrong™

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  • @chubertdev - Days Since Last Discourse Bug: -1

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  • @ben_lubar said:

    Starcraft is probably a better measure of brain power than chess.
    I played competitive chess (poorly) for a handful of years back in high school, and was into the SC Korean pro scene for a few years before SC2 came out. And... for a few reasons, I disagree with this for the most part. The best thing I can say about SC over chess from that perspective is that it requires reasoning from incomplete information, but I think even that isn't strictly a benefit. The biggest problem with that claim is that SC is also dependent a lot on APM and mouse accuracy and such, which I put as being much more in the bucket of kinesthetic abilities than "brain power"; you could have the best strategy and tactical sense in the world, but if you don't have the APM required to support the micro or macro you need, you won't do well.



  • @smallshellscript said:

    Not that the horse doesn't need to be in good shape / well trained but if you think those riders aren't athletes, go try to stay on a horse and see how easy it is...

    Ok, I'll admit no never having been on a horse, so who knows, I might be totally wrong. I'd still claim that for some of the "sports" involving horses (e.g., Dressage), the physical condition of the rider isn't a key factor, as long as it's above some minimal level.

    Sure, there's a ton of effort, skill and invested time involved in these, but IMO if those are considered sports, we might as well go ahead and consider e-sports to be sports as well. (Not that this labeling matters terribly either.)



  • @cvi said:

    I'd still claim that for some of the "sports" involving horses (e.g., Dressage), the physical condition of the rider isn't a key factor, as long as it's above some minimal level.

    Then how come you don't get fat slobs doing it? The only equine sport where that would matter would be racing where the ballast factor can be an issue. And yet somehow dressage riders are all rail thin and rock hard (@algorithmics - I mean musculature, musculature). Don't make me dig up NSFW pictures of dressage riders to show how fit they are.

    And believe me, a 1200 lb horse can carry a 250 lb human just as easily as a 98 lb one.



  • @smallshellscript said:

    Then how come you don't get fat slobs doing it?

    Why aren't there fat slobs doing ballet?



  • @ben_lubar said:

    Why aren't there fat slobs doing ballet?

    Same reason. Because the people doing it at the kind of level that you see on TV (or YouTube) are good enough at it that they make it look easy but it's really not. Though I'm sure if you tried, you can find fat slobs doing ballet on the Internets somewhere I'm sure it's someone's fetish, if nothing else.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @EvanED said:

    The biggest problem with that claim is that SC is also dependent a lot on APM and mouse accuracy and such, which I put as being much more in the bucket of kinesthetic abilities than "brain power"

    But it does mean that it's rather like a sport then, at least in high level play. Specialised equipment, significant training, depends on a particular physical ability, many people pay plenty to watch it, I want nothing to do with the whole area; it's got a large fraction of the key factors. Coming up with a way to prove it isn't a sport is tricky.



  • Guess what - professional e-sports players generally aren't fat slobs either.

    Because being a fat slob is unhealthy no matter what your profession is.



  • @smallshellscript said:

    >ben_lubar:
    Why aren't there fat slobs doing ballet?

    Same reason. Because the people doing it at the kind of level that you see on TV (or YouTube) are good enough at it that they make it look easy but it's really not. Though I'm sure if you tried, you can find fat slobs doing ballet on the Internets somewhere

    Ballet is hard. I took ballet for a couple of years. About a day and a half after my first class, my legs didn't want to move any more. (I learned not to try to keep up with the more experienced dancers in certain barre exercises until I got more experience.) I'd say the exertion (and types of running, jumping, etc.) is about on a par with basketball, except that you can't grimace or grunt; you have to smile and make it look effortless. A study some years ago comparing professional ballet dancers to professional athletes in various sports found that only football (handegg) had a higher injury rate than ballet. Despite ballet's perceived femininity, one comparison (probably not true in general, but it was in that particular city at that particular time) found that the local professional ballet company had fewer openly gay men (zero) than the local NFL team (three, IIRC).

    @smallshellscript said:

    I'm sure it's someone's fetish, if nothing else.
    No doubt, but ewww.



  • I've seen at least one definition of 'sport' that was along the lines of 'things done for fun'

    @EvanED said:

    The biggest problem with that claim is that SC is also dependent a lot on APM and mouse accuracy and such, which I put as being much more in the bucket of kinesthetic abilities than "brain power"; you could have the best strategy and tactical sense in the world, but if you don't have the APM required to support the micro or macro you need, you won't do well.

    That just means that it's more of a sport by the definition others might try to invalidate chess with.

    As for what games qualify as e-sports, I'd certainly never place a game like CoD higher on the list than, say, a Quake (WARSOW!!!) because I feel that thought is as important as mechanical skill in qualifying something as a sport.



  • @ben_lubar said:

    professional e-sports players generally aren't fat slobs either.

    I never said they were nor did I mean to suggest it. I was pointing out that equestrians aren't. I can't really think of a professional competitive event where fat and slobbish are the norm. Must be bad optics.



  • @smallshellscript said:

    I can't really think of a professional competitive event where fat and slobbish are the norm.

    Misogynist!



  • Ogre Magi



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    A study some years ago comparing professional ballet dancers to professional athletes in various sports found that only football (handegg) had a higher injury rate than ballet.

    That doesn't mean much, cheerleading has a higher injury rate than handegg.



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    Despite ballet's perceived femininity, one comparison (probably not true in general, but it was in that particular city at that particular time) found that the local professional ballet company had fewer openly gay men (zero) than the local NFL team (three, IIRC).

    Though I bet not amongst the fans. If your tastes run to hot, fit, flexible men you'd be hardpressed to find something other than ballet with more of them.



  • @chubertdev said:

    cheerleading has a higher injury rate than handegg.

    Handegg injury rates are artificially low due to an internal culture of "walk it off". See current NFL lawsuits for traumatic brain injuries.



  • @smallshellscript said:

    If your tastes run to hot, fit, flexible women you'd be hardpressed to find something other than ballet with more of them.
    FTFM



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    smallshellscript:
    If your tastes run to hot, fit, flexible women you'd be hardpressed to find something other than ballet with more of them.

    FTFM

    Sure, they're energetic and bendy but ballerinas often don't have much of a figure.

    CBA to fix the damn quoting. Discourse :shakefist:



  • @smallshellscript said:

    [i][b]hard[/b][/i]pressed

    hehee i am a 12



  • @smallshellscript said:

    Sure, they're energetic and bendy but ballerinas often don't have much of a figure.

    That's a matter of individual taste. As long as they are not emaciated — sadly, too many do suffer from eating disorders — size is overrated. It's also a matter of collective taste; female ballet dancers1 weren't always the shapeless sticks they are pressured to become these days.

    1Strictly speaking, the term ballerina should be reserved for the principal dancers, despite the generic meaning of simply "female dancer" in Italian.



  • @smallshellscript said:

    Handegg injury rates are artificially low due to an internal culture of "walk it off". See current NFL lawsuits for traumatic brain injuries.

    Meaning that the statistic is even more meaningless. :laughing:



  • @smallshellscript said:

    See current NFL lawsuits for traumatic brain injuries

    Traumatic brain injuries which cause people to consider a career in the NFL?



  • @smallshellscript said:

    I can't really think of a professional competitive event where fat and slobbish are the norm.

    Sumo wrestling.


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