Used games, physical discs, and DRM.
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Tarunik, do you ever play any other video games?
Yes -- but you probably don't know them, and it'll stay that way for the forseeable future most likely. I'm a bit peculiar in that singleplayer games don't really serve me well any longer...
...although, if you can find me another sandbox-MMO to play, I'll gladly take a look :)
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You're becoming like that really annoying guy at the party who steers every conversation to Libertarianism.
So what do you think about Libertarianism? I think it's the best idea that will never be tried.
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So, how about that weather?
As if the fucking government could forecast it correctly!
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So, how about that weather?
As if the fucking government could forecast it correctly!
Still a slightly better outcome than when Enron tried to "trade" it on the open market. ;)
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Yes -- but you probably don't know them, and it'll stay that way for the forseeable future most likely. I'm a bit peculiar in that singleplayer games don't really serve me well any longer...
"I'm too cool for your lame-stream games, GRANDPA! I'll too cool for your 'fun' games, man, I play EVE instead! I'm way too hipster to use practical programming languages to solve practical problems, you probably don't even understand the Clojure I'm typing right now!"
I'm starting to think this is the worst possible person.
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Dude, you got something stuck on your lip.
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The Government doesn't realize what those Chemtrails are doing to the environment. They don't care about messing up the weather as long as they keep us under control
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Actually -- once your eyes get past the parens, well-written Clojure's pretty much a treat to read.
More detailed explanation:
Programming is a triad -- both of styles (low-level procedural, object-oriented, functional/relational) and goals (solve problems in confined spaces, solve a large span of mathematically easy problems, and deal with the mathematically difficult, respectively).
In other words -- FP (Lisp, ML, and Haskell all show this strongly in different ways) is very much tied to the mathematical underpinnings of CS, while a low-level "structured assembler" like C is what you turn to when you're writing code that has to run in a confined area (such as an itty bitty microcontroller that has to work, even when sent 10,000' under the earth's surface in an oil well instrument), and OO languages (Java, C#) can map to a large span of mathematically easy problems (many things that one runs into in the business world), but don't give you much understanding of what the machine is doing or how a complex algorithm actually works.
So, even if you don't lean on it often -- having a FP language in your toolbox is a very good idea, and it's much easier to do the mathematically easy things in a FP language than it is to do the mathematically hard things in an OO language. Of course, FP/OO hybrids do well -- C# has been steadily drifting closer to that box since it was first created.
As I said in another thread:
Also, is it just me, or am I getting the sense that C#'s designers are
wishing they could implement syntax-tree level macroing in their
language?
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Goddamned, you're a hipster asshole and you post in the wrong threads. I'm done with you. I'm convinced you don't know shit.
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Goddamned, you're a hipster asshole and you post in the wrong threads. I'm done with you. I'm convinced you don't know shit.
No, the hipsters are the Rails/Node guys who really don't know Belgium about what they're doing.
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I'm always appalled at people who are, for example, logging in to a web site or application, and they use the mouse to click on the userid text box, type it in, let go of the keyboard to move the mouse to the password field (HIT TAB YOU HEATHEN)
I do that because so many websites are broken and make the focus go somewhere else on tab. Like the login button or the stupid "remind me" checkbox. It's faster to click than to tab, verify that I'm on the password field, then start typing.
Edit: OK, @tarunik, you keep liking my posts less than two seconds after I submit them. Are you running a bot?
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Also, the reason I don't mention the other MMO I play to you is because it's still at version 0.5.something and buggy enough to make you flip out instantaneously upon contact. However -- if you could go in with a beta-tester mentality (and the ability to switch out your TDWTF persona for something that's more RP-community-friendly), I think I may have a recommendation for you...
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You know instead of typing that paragraph, you could have just TYPED THE NAME OF THE ACTUAL GAME YOU DOUCHE!
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On margin. Zoidbee wants to buy on margin.
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I do that because so many websites are broken and make the focus go somewhere else on tab. Like the login button or the stupid "remind me" checkbox. It's faster to click than to tab, verify that I'm on the password field, then start typing.
I tab because it works on most sites, but I hate how some sites don't login on Enter.
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you keep liking my posts less than two seconds after I submit them. Are you running a bot?
There is no automation here. Note the lack of likes in that topic.
You know instead of typing that paragraph, you could have just TYPED THE NAME OF THE ACTUAL GAME YOU DOUCHE!
I wanted you to acknowledge the disclaimer first. But since you did that...
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@JazzyJosh Is Doing It Wrong™
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hmm? no that's an actual quote from the show. "the Day the Earth stood Stoopid" season 3 i think that one was.
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Welp, I searched and Google wanted to autocorrect so I buttumed.
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That's also the canonical spelling of Zoidbee, according to IMDB.
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according to IMDB.
it should be. that's where i sourced his quotes from!
(well most of them)
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I'd say, "Dude, stop poking the bear." But then you created this topic, so have at it, I guess.
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The game is: http://www.planeshift.it since Tarunik PMed it to me for some stupid reason I hate.
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I was trying to chill it out in here, but I forgot Blakey's stance on the bots.
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Everyone knows that MMO games are better if they're kept secret and people don't know they exist.
Oh, wait....
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I was trying to chill it out in here, but I forgot Blakey's stance on the bots.
I think you need to poke the bear a few more times.
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If I really wanted to do that I would be doing an @codinghorror in here.
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He probably didn't want me to download it, make an account, then mock it in a YouTube video.
OOPS!
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Used Games - Ownership in the Digital Age - Extra Credits – 06:00
— Extra HistoryHere is a video relating to the OP, if you have not seen it.
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And another one:
Digital Resale - Can You Borrow a Friend's Steam Games? - Extra Credits – 06:23
— Extra History
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He probably didn't want me to download it, make an account, then mock it in a YouTube video.
*chuckles* It's...interesting, to say the least, and definitely not flashy, but there are some ideas there with quite a bit of potential.
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I do that because so many websites are broken and make the focus go somewhere else on tab.
Well, that's fair enough. A lot of people don't understand UI design.
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I tab because it works on most sites
I "love" sites where I'm entering in address information and for some reason, instead of using a dropdown for a month or year or state field they use a Flash applet, breaking the tab flow.
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instead of using a dropdown for a month or year or state field they use a Flash applet
I can understand using Flash for the whole thing, but peppering an HTML form with individual Flash elements is some kind of special.
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i don't mind those sites, because thanks to flashblock i simply go: and i'm taking my business elsewhere now. kthxbai
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i don't mind those sites, because thanks to flashblock i simply go: and i'm taking my business elsewhere now.
Heh. Sure, now you get to tell your 13-year-old son he can't play his online game any more because you're too stubborn to fill out the payment form.
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well....
- i am single and without issue.
- even if i had issue i would expect them to be financially responsible for their habits. They could fill out the form using their prepaid card themselves.
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Why not revocable keys with the disc.
When you put in the disc, it (the disc's UUID) becomes tied to your console. You no longer have to pull the disc out to open the game. If you want to sell the disc, revoke the
console keydisc's id, and sell the disc.You sorta need a lookup to confirm that the disc isn't tied to any consoles though. Should be easy enough if you have to be online to activate or revoke a game. Then again, once a publisher has you locked down, why would they give you the ability to unlock yourself?
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it (the disc's UUID)
Like an individual key for each copy? If it was in the data on the disk, they couldn't mass-produce them.
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We mass produce little pieces of paper with unique serial numbers on them. I assume that there is uncompressed data near the header of the disc that should be able to be altered during manufacturing. Put it in there.
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The reason for the serial number stickers is precisely because there's no way to put different data on each mass-produced disk.
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Yeah, I'm buttuming.
Though, if they could get a laser to reach the inside of the disc they could etch a barcode similar to
http://help.discogs.com/wiki/g/guidelines/5.format/Cdmatrix.jpgThen again if they do that, all someone needs to do is accurately reproduce the barcode and tape it on a disc.
Unless I'm buttuming again and all those barcodes aren't etched and are also all the same.
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Incorrect. It just requires a more expensive manufacturing process.
If you're going that route, though, flash media is cheaper.
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And if you use Flash media, all the "installing" bullshit goes away. But it becomes one less step for Homebrew and pirates to defeat, so it'll never happen.
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BAMP
Why not revocable keys with the disc.
When you put in the disc, it (the disc's UUID) becomes tied to your console. You no longer have to pull the disc out to open the game. If you want to sell the disc, revoke the console key disc's id, and sell the disc.
Gee, that's almost EXACTLY WHAT MICROSOFT WAS PLANNING TO DO WITH THE XBOX ONE UNTIL PEOPLE THREW A GIANT HISSY-FIT OVER IT. But they would have used a GUID. UUID! Scoff!
Personally, I liked that plan better then what we have now. And frankly, since every game has to download 3+ GB of patches regardless of the content of the disk, I don't see the big deal about catering to "offline" users. (I do sympathize with low bandwidth users, though.)
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There were a few small issues with Microsoft's plan that needed working out (they never seemed too clear on whether an uninterrupted connection would be needed or if it would be regular phoning home, for example), but the main problem was that they communicated it badly, then the Internet went off on one and decided it was the Worst Thing Evar.