Firefox Nightly: "you know that new and buggy feature you disabled?...
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@cartman82 said:
Have they now finally became the uglier, more bloated version of Chrome?
Personally I think they've been that for a long time now...Chrome is too ugly for me to use. Firefox (so far, with the right plugins) isn't.
But I find angled edges on my tabs both aesthetically and practically intolerable.
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If you only wanted 2 Windows features to be jealous of, I would replace process manager with the per-process audio mixer. When on Linux or Mac, I always get annoyed when I realize this is missing.
Yessssssssssss
This is CRITICAL FEATURE +1 SUPER IMPORTANT MEGA-LIFE-CHANGING-GREAT! BEST FEATURE!
I don't get how Vista had it in 2007, and there are OSes in 2014 that still don't.
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OTOH, Mozilla, although being a big fan of what they do, are limited in resources. Also, Firefox has been dragging decisions & technical debt made 20 years ago.
It'll get worse as the Google money goes. It ain't gonna get better.
They already don't have the resources to maintain anything but Firefox (Thunderbird is basically a dinosaur at this point). Without that $100 mil a year from Google, they're gonna be up shit creek and no paddles in sight.
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Chrome is too ugly for me to use. Firefox (so far, with the right plugins) isn't.
Ugh, I feel exactly the opposite.
I actually prefer IE, but there's not really a good adblocker for it, and the JS implementation is slower.
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Also, Firefox has been dragging decisions & technical debt made 20 years ago.
Which is hilarious when you consider the whole point of the Netscape rewrite was to get out from under that!
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Sorry, I still can't get over that audio mixer with a different scale per process, because of the length of the process name. Who thought that was a good idea?
Linux UI developers!
I like how it takes approximately 457,000,000 more pixels than the Windows version of same, and yet provides less functionality.
(In case you're curious, the microphone listed as an output device is the audio cable between my Xbox One and PC in "listen to this device" mode, which causes Windows to echo out everything input to the microphone back out the speakers. Also a critical must-have feature.)
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But looking for stuff in system monitor with both Opera and Chrome running... ugh! I'm going to have to find a different task-manager-like thiggy that has some kind of filtering or grouping solely due to that shit.
Nothing that Chrome's built-in task manager can handle?
http://blog.laptopmag.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/chrome-task-manager-31.jpg
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(In case you're curious, the microphone listed as an output device is the audio cable between my Xbox One and PC in "listen to this device" mode, which causes Windows to echo out everything input to the microphone back out the speakers. Also a critical must-have feature.)
Yeah, when you're only on Windows, you take this shit for granted. Then you're like: "Ok, so how do I stream the audio from my mic to this USB device I just plugged in, and limit the volume to 50% of master..... what do you mean I can't?"
I find it hilarious that PulseAudio site has an (admittedly outdated) Windows port.... err, why?
But I find angled edges on my tabs both aesthetically and practically intolerable.
Same here. It's amazing how much of my allegiance to Chrome is owed to the FUCKING STUPID design decision of the competition. Like the aforementioned curved corners in Firefox. Or the fucking hideous cut-of half-circle back button in IE. I mean, Chrome still probably has the best engine, but the interface is what's keeping me from giving others even a chance.
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Man, you're sick!
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I find it hilarious that PulseAudio site has an (admittedly outdated) Windows port.... err, why?
Wow.
What does it do? Does it just install like a million hooks into Windows' sound system to make it significantly shittier, or...?
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Man, you're sick!
I didn't have enough sound-making stuff open so I literally just Googled something like "youtube video makes noise" and that came up. SHUT UP.
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there's one thing that PA can do that windows still can't.
"I want the default output channel to be X device. I want everything you send to X device to be mirrored to Y device"
useful for some VOIP/Recording/etc setups. or in my case i have two monitors that have builtin speakers that are actually pretty decent (at least as decent as the $10 external speakers from walmart 15 years ago) and i want to have the audio go to both of them over HDMI
nope! i'm going to need to plug them in with 3.5mm cables and a splitter or use a third party virtual cable/splitter app of unknown providence that's about 5 years old....
i could just do that in PA.... -hmph!-
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or in my case i have two monitors that have builtin speakers that are actually pretty decent (at least as decent as the $10 external speakers from walmart 15 years ago)
My computer speakers have a pair of 10" subs. Just sayin', I wouldn't really bother with monitor speakers.
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Or the fucking hideous cut-of half-circle back button in IE.
You mean this cut-off 98%-of-a-circle?
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"I want the default output channel to be X device. I want everything you send to X device to be mirrored to Y device"
Hm. That's true. I've never needed to, but I could see how someone might.
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Possibly relevant:
Stream Routing - Win32 apps
Stream routing is the ability of a media application to switch streams between devices with minimal interruption to the playback or the capture session.
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Can you not sort of do that using Stereo Mix which is part of it since at least Win 7?
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I guess I cheat on that matter. I have a TASCAM US-144 MKII recording interface I use as a sound card, and it's capable of simultaneously sending a signal to two different outputs with independent volumes. I have near-field monitors plugged into one output and headphones on the other.
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Stereo Mix is a sound card driver feature, not a Windows standard feature. Meaning, if you have it, it's because the makers of your sound driver wrote it.
Windows itself doesn't have that feature.
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PulseAudio came from Redhat.
It is funny Windows is becoming more Linux like and Linux is coming more Windows like.
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Stereo Mix is a sound card driver feature, not a WIndows standard feature. Meaning, if you have it, it's because the makers of your sound driver wrote it.
Windows itself doesn't have that feature.
Ah - fair enough then.
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Linux is coming more Windows like.
You mean in another 37 years it might actually fucking work right!??!
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You could probably do it with VLC. People sometimes mistake that thing for a media player... somehow...
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I've also wanted that feature... my reasoning is that usually I'm listening to things on good headphones, but I also occasionally need to use a headset for skyping. (Or do some weird stupid thing with two headphones on at the same time.) But that means I have to keep switching what output device to use.
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I've also wanted that feature... my reasoning is that usually I'm listening to things on good headphones, but I also occasionally need to use a headset for skyping. (Or do some weird stupid thing with two headphones on at the same time.) But that means I have to keep switching what output device to use.
That you can already do in Windows. It has two default output devices, one for voice comm (like Skype) and one for system sounds (everything else).
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I'll have to look into it; thanks.
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Well I should caveat that: it's up to the maker of the voice communication program to actually ask Windows for the correct device. So if you're using like Skype or something mainstream, it's fine, but if you're using something open source or less popular, it's kind of a crapshoot.
EDIT: and a lot of voice comm software just lets you select which device to use in their prefs anyway.
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EDIT: and a lot of voice comm software just lets you select which device to use in their prefs anyway.
And then it doesn't work, like Zoiper on a USB headset.
Well, ok, it worked eventually by using some kind of unintuitive process of turning stuff off in Windows sound properties (can't remember what I did, I was just clicking everything in frustration because I exhausted all the logical options). Seriously, is there an OS where those things are not a PITA?
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Seriously, is there an OS where those things are not a PITA?
Windows?
Your problem is "Zoiper" being developed by those software developers we mentioned yesterday who haven't yet gotten the news from 25 years ago that hardware is hot-swappable.
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Your problem is "Zoiper" being developed by those software developers we mentioned yesterday who haven't yet gotten the news from 25 years ago that hardware is hot-swappable.
Oh, no, it detected the headset fine. It just refused to play any audio on it. The microphone worked, surprisingly. The guy I was setting it up for told me he was having issues with those headphones in general. No idea if it's crappy headphones, Zoiper being an ass, or driver fail. I just know that my current experience with USB audio devices is: avoid, if possible.
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The guy I was setting it up for told me he was having issues with those headphones in general.
Oh; so you're blaming Windows (and/or the very concept of USB audio) for a loose wire in a headset.
Logical.
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Oh; so you're blaming Windows (and/or the very concept of USB audio) for a loose wire in a headset.
Umm... no? Because audio worked in some applications, but not in others? But from what I gathered hotplugging never worked properly, and nearly always involved fiddling with audio sinks in settings.
And as I said, I don't know what exactly is at fault, I just know that there were no problems with regular headphones on other machines.
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Umm... no? Because audio worked in some applications, but not in others?
Like I said, loose wire.
But from what I gathered hotplugging never worked properly,
It works flawlessly. I've been using USB headsets for... well decades at this point.
and nearly always involved fiddling with audio sinks in settings.
I don't even know what audio sinks are, but I can guarantee I've never fiddled with one.
And as I said, I don't know what exactly is at fault, I just know that there were no problems with regular headphones on other machines.
Maybe those headphones didn't have a loose wire? Just a thought.
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@Onyx said:
Umm... no? Because audio worked in some applications, but not in others?
Like I said, loose wire.
Your logic is undeniable.
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It might be a little fuzzy, but it's a hell of a lot less fuzzy than "one headset on one computer kind of didn't work sometimes THEREFORE ALL USB AUDIO DEVICES ARE USELESS TRASH!"
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"one headset on one computer kind of didn't work sometimes THEREFORE ALL USB AUDIO DEVICES ARE USELESS TRASH!"
Sure, that's what he said, strawrat.
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and a lot of voice comm software just lets you select which device to use in their prefs anyway.
Yeah -- I've seen this option on all the voice comms software I've used.
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You could probably do it with VLC. People sometimes mistake that thing for a media player... somehow...
I think it's because they have low standards.
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Same here. It's amazing how much of my allegiance to Chrome is owed to the FUCKING STUPID design decision of the competition. Like the aforementioned curved corners in Firefox.
I use addons in firefox that mostly de-australize it. It is the way the tabs look in CHROME that I think is a stupid design decision...especially the fact that at least the last time I tried to look into it, making the tabs' edges be vertical instead of angled requires recompiling the damn thing.
I also get grumpy over browser developer tools, because frankly I still prefer Dragonfly over any of the current offerings.
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My Firefox.
Now only if I could remove all these useless icons and move Refresh out of the address bar and make it run less like an ass...
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I've not launched Firefox for a while.... I don't remember it looking quite so much like someone mangled Chrome.
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Now only if I could remove all these useless icons and move Refresh out of the address bar
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/
and make it run less like an ass...
Mozilla continues to blame extensions for that.
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Does it just install like a million hooks into Windows' sound system to make it significantly shittier
That's what it did on Linux for a very long time. I resisted systemd for ages on the basis of experience with pulseaudio.
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I hate this:
I hate this too:
They say "no need to press enter", but they don't say "if you do press enter, you'll get a harmless but annoying syntax error".
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I hate this too:
What is it with apps treating their users like hapless morons? Windows did it with the bluescreen, and now Firefox pulls this shit.
Protip: even if your users are fucking idiots, don't treat them like ones. And it's a stupid wording too - "of course I understand what I'm pasting, it's a super secret Facebook haxxor code!".
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The worst part is that AFAICT there is no about:config option to make that go away, ala
browser.fixup.alternate.enabled
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The worst part is that AFAICT there is no about:config option to make that go away, ala browser.fixup.alternate.enabled
Jesus. Can't you just type
>I'm a fucking JS developer, fuck off and let me test my code?Were they high when they devised that feature? They must have been.
"Eh maaan, you know how to screw with the devs? Let's forbid pasting to the JS console! Hehe, and they can't just click a button to enable it... they have to, like, type in "allow pasting", by hand! And do it every time they open a console! And, wait for it... if they do it wrong, Wayne Knight pops up and says "ah ah ah, you didn't say the magic word!""
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2662404/you-didnt-say-the-magic-word-o.gif
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Were they high when they devised that feature?
I have advocated actually doing this in a couple of places in our app, because users WILL NOT READ a message box before clicking the wrong button on something dangerous. It's kind of like how WoW makes you type DELETE into a text box before deleting certain items.
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It's kind of like how WoW makes you type DELETE into a text box before deleting certain items.
The difference is, nobody spends 8 hours a day deleting certain items from WoW inventory. Sometimes for a living.
Filed under: there probably are people who do, but then again, they're WoW players, mundane tasks are their blood
