Unicode making life difficult. Again.
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All that instead of simply making emoji yellow, because then they'd look like the Simpsons, and no-one would complain.
I very rarely like the emoticon images, and usually try to avoid them coming up :P.
If they wanted Matt Groening's emoticonnery, why not @Zoidberg?
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Hey, boys and girls. It's Zoidberg, the loveable tramp.
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Colours in Unicode. That's THE line that they weren't supposed to cross.
Well, now that they jumped the shark, they can finally implement some of my proposals, like characters for italic, bold or underlined text, characters that control the text's position in the screen... The possibilities are endless!
And then it's only a small step to...the return of the <blink> tag!
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If only we had "UTD" and "DTU" (Up to down, down to up) too, we could give any text pretty shapes. By combining those, the color-picker characters and good old block characters, we could finally reproduce all Piet Mondrian paintings in plain text!
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You choose to use MySQL
After all it's Oracle now too so one should kinda expect it to do the same kind of sh*tโฆ
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like characters for italic, bold or underlined text
They ๐ ๐ have characters for ๐๐ก๐๐๐๐, ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐, uฬฒnฬฒdฬฒeฬฒrฬฒlฬฒiฬฒnฬฒeฬฒdฬฒยน and also ๐๐ ๐ฆ๐๐๐๐ค๐ฅ๐ฃ๐ฆ๐๐,
๐ฃ๐ฏ๐๐จ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฏ and ๐๐ธ๐๐พ๐ ๐.[spoiler](that line is supposed to render like "They do have characters for italic, bold, underlined and also doublestruck, fractur and script"; the later three should render in appropriate font, but as discourse won't pass style and as I don't know what font to select just imagine they are rendered in appropriate fonts.)[/spoiler]ยฒ
These exist because there is a context where font used does have semantic meaning: mathematics. They first added some special-font characters that are used for some common objects in mathematics or physics like โ or โ, which is even called U+210E PLANCK CONSTANT (though Planck constant is actually named with plain h, because single-letter mathematics entities are always typeset in italics). And one day they realized it is silly and added the rest to complete basic latin alphabet in each script.
ยน Ok, that just uses a combining underline as does dฬณoฬณuฬณbฬณlฬณeฬณuฬณnฬณdฬณeฬณrฬณlฬณiฬณnฬณeฬณ, oฬ vฬ eฬ rฬ lฬ iฬ nฬ eฬ and oฬถvฬถeฬถrฬถsฬถtฬถrฬถiฬถkฬถeฬถ.
ยฒ [spoiler]Hell, discourse won't even let me make things <small>, so I am making them [spoiler] instead...[/spoiler]
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They did render fine in Chromium at least.
Now, how did you do that fraktur thing? Never seen it.More characters. That's nice.
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At least on this particular Mint 17 machine with the fonts I have installed, they render fine in Firefox 33 too:
In Chromium italic and bold are slightly smaller than the rest of the characters:
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If only we had "UTD" and "DTU" (Up to down, down to up) too, we could give any text pretty shapes. By combining those, the color-picker characters and good old block characters, we could finally reproduce all Piet Mondrian paintings in plain text!
If they're just going to add skin colors, you won't have the right palette. I propose they add the 256-color VGA palette.
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I just think it'd be nice if you do a minimum of research before saying things like that.
Um...what?
Some wind just knocked all the papers off my desk.
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Um
[some generic eye candy]
[some generic douche]
I just think it'd be nice if you do a minimum of research before saying things like that.
http://www.lnt.com/photos/product/standard/6156980S7991/humor/what-are-you-smoking-funny-tin-sign.jpg
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I propose they add the 256-color VGA palette.
Too 1980's. Why not go straight for 32-bit color?
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Not enough code points.
If you want to screw up decoders really badly, just add a code point that says that the next three (four) bytes are to be interpreted as a RGB(A)-color.
If you want to be a bit nicer, you could probably add code points that correspond to Red=0 ... Red=255, and a different for Green = 0 .. Green=255. That's just three or four times 256 code points.
For extra fun, do this for RGB(A), sRGB, YUV and a few different color spaces.
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you could probably add code points that correspond to Red=0 ... Red=255, and a different for Green = 0 .. Green=255.
They already do something similar for flags.
๐ฆ๐บ
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If you want to be a bit nicer, you could probably add code points that correspond to Red=0 ... Red=255, and a different for Green = 0 .. Green=255. That's just three or four times 256 code points.
This is probably the least insane way to do it. It even fits with the rest of the scheme, sort of. Now, where's that evil ideas thread?
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We could call it Discode.
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i know i'v e posted that one here a couple of times by now.....
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This is probably the least insane way to do it. It even fits with the rest of the scheme, sort of. Now, where's that evil ideas thread?
But since we're talking unicode, they'd probably make this a set of combining characters, so that the color specification changes the preceding thingy - contrary to every other system that has ever existed.
Besides, how long until somebody wants to be able to use different colors in a single code point? Eugh.
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Besides, how long until somebody wants to be able to use different colors in a single code point? Eugh.
You know, I just wanted to suggest to use the codepoints several times, and apply them to different parts of the glyph (skin, hair, eyes, lips...).
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how long until somebody wants to be able to use different colors in a single code point?
+1 Yes, I can even think of a use case for it. Which way
is the evil ideas thread?
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Missing blondes, rangas, and albinos. Five skin tones is clearly not enough.
You should be able to set a skin opacity value. And a hue. Maybe some YUV+alpha parameterization?
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If only we had "UTD" and "DTU" (Up to down, down to up) too, we could give any text pretty shapes.
Needs moar degrees (or radians).
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$ unifont The Dicsourse Firefox jumps over the fat and lazy $DIETY.
Double-Struck: ๐๐๐ ๐ป๐๐๐ค๐ ๐ฆ๐ฃ๐ค๐ ๐ฝ๐๐ฃ๐๐๐ ๐ฉ ๐๐ฆ๐๐ก๐ค ๐ ๐ง๐๐ฃ ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ซ๐ช $๐ป๐๐ผ๐๐.
Monospace: ๐๐๐ ๐ณ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ต๐๐๐๐๐๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ฃ๐ข $๐ณ๐ธ๐ด๐๐.
Sans-Serif: ๐ณ๐๐พ ๐ฃ๐๐ผ๐๐๐๐๐๐พ ๐ฅ๐๐๐พ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐พ๐ ๐๐๐พ ๐ฟ๐บ๐ ๐บ๐๐ฝ ๐ ๐บ๐๐ $๐ฃ๐จ๐ค๐ณ๐ธ.
Sans-Serif Italic: ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐๐ช๐ค๐ด๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ๐ด๐ฆ ๐๐ช๐ณ๐ฆ๐ง๐ฐ๐น ๐ซ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ด ๐ฐ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ง๐ข๐ต ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ข๐ป๐บ $๐๐๐๐๐ .
Sans-Serif Bold: ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ถ๐ฐ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ถ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ณ๐ผ๐ ๐ท๐๐บ๐ฝ๐ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ $๐๐๐๐ง๐ฌ.
Sans-Serif Bold Italic: ๐๐๐ ๐ฟ๐๐๐จ๐ค๐ช๐ง๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ค๐ญ ๐๐ช๐ข๐ฅ๐จ ๐ค๐ซ๐๐ง ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐๐๐ฉ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ฎ $๐ฟ๐๐๐๐.
Script: ๐ฏ ๐ฝ๐ ๐ ๐พ๐ธ๐โด๐๐๐๐ โฑ ๐พ๐๐๐ปโด๐ ๐ฟ๐๐๐ ๐ โด๐๐๐ ๐๐ฝ๐ ๐ป๐ถ๐ ๐ถ๐๐น ๐๐ถ๐๐ $๐ โ โฐ ๐ฏ ๐ด .
Italic: ๐h๐ ๐ท๐๐๐ ๐๐ข๐๐ ๐ ๐น๐๐๐๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐ข๐๐๐ ๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐กh๐ ๐๐๐ก ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ง๐ฆ $๐ท๐ผ๐ธ๐๐.
Bold: ๐๐ก๐ ๐๐ข๐๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ ๐ ๐ข๐ซ๐๐๐จ๐ฑ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ณ๐ฒ $๐๐๐๐๐.
Bold Italic: ๐ป๐๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ $๐ซ๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ป๐.
Fraktur: ๐ ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ข ๐ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ต ๐ง๐ฒ๐ช๐ญ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฃ๐๐ฑ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฉ๐๐ท๐ถ $๐ โ ๐ ๐ ๐ .
Bold Fraktur: ๐ฟ ๐๐ ๐ฏ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ฑ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ $๐ฏ ๐ด ๐ฐ ๐ฟ ๐ .
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Hey guys, no fair, stuck on a frickin' XP machine for the next couple of weeks and I can't see the fun you're having.
Bonus points: surprisingly many websites are broken even with current Chrome on XP but they use Unicode characters for glyphs and shizzle.
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Hey guys, no fair, stuck on a frickin' XP machine for the next couple of weeks and I can't see the fun you're having.
That's the beauty with text based things: it's your imagination that makes it awesome!
I'll screenshot tomorrow. It seems my sofa laptop is quite font deprived...
Like for "glyphs and shizzle"
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how long until somebody wants to be able to use different colors in a single code point?
At last, I can have my rainbow font...
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Um...what?
What are you smoking?
'Afro' emoticons combat lack of emoji diversity
Oju Africa has launched a set of "afro" emoticons, following a debate over the lack of diversity of emojis
I'm super willing for someone to explain to me why I'm an idiot for believing that articleโthe idea that Miley Cyrus and some douche from MTV could change Unicode has really been bothering me.
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Bonus points: surprisingly many websites are broken even with current Chrome on XP but they use Unicode characters for glyphs and shizzle.
Uh, even on Win8, Chrome is really bad at displaying Unicode characters.
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Monospaceโฆ
Sans-Serifโฆ๐๐๐?
I understand bold (used for vectors), doublestruck, fraktur and script (used for some complex objects). I kind of understand italic (and bold italic); all variables are normally typeset in italic, so it allows distinguishing variables in text. But "MATHEMATICAL MONOSPACE"? Mathematicians name things with single letters; there is not much that would make monospace different on single letter and for technical stuff it is not sufficient as it only has latin letters and not punctuation. And "MATHEMATICAL SANS-SERIF"? At time when sans-serif is progressively more, like, the default?
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[size=40]๐ถ[/size]
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Hey guys, no fair, stuck on a frickin' XP machine for the next couple of weeks and I can't see the fun you're having.
Here, have a screenshot:
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At last, I can have my rainbow font...
Tread carefully... From there you're just one "Discourse is rainbows!" away from a Jeff-approved font.
Imagine the horror of a font where not only :( stands for "frowning", but with about 32K of lolcat glyphs.
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I'm super willing for someone to explain to me why I'm an idiot for believing that articleโthe idea that Miley Cyrus and some douche from MTV could change Unicode has really been bothering me.
Thank you, that was the context I needed. I think that if we can keep the activism of that sort of person to this sort of thing it's a net win for sanity in the world.
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I'm surprised it got 0 results.
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what the.....?
what system are you on?
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That's how mine looks too. Chrome on Win 8.1.
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on FFS Chrome.....You are allowed to use more than one font to render the page.... and i know i have those glyphs in one of my fonts on this system! (i just scrolled up to fing the original on my win7 work system)
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yeah, Chrome on Win 7.
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Mine looks like @OffByOne here with Chrome on linux. I've made it a point to install a lot of fonts in order to see all the pretty glyphs we play with around here.
Hmm...it seems like chrome support has improved. I think that it's now displaying more than it used to. Or I just tested the wrong ranges.
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I've made it a point to install a lot of fonts in order to see all the pretty glyphs we play with around here.
Same here, at least on this machine.
If anyone knows an easy way of looking up which font FF uses to render certain glyphs, I don't mind making a list of the fonts that are used in the above screenshot.
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$ unifont The Dicsourse Firefox jumps over the fat and lazy $DEITY.
Double-Struck: ๐๐๐ ๐ป๐๐๐ค๐ ๐ฆ๐ฃ๐ค๐ ๐ฝ๐๐ฃ๐๐๐ ๐ฉ ๐๐ฆ๐๐ก๐ค ๐ ๐ง๐๐ฃ ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ซ๐ช $๐ป๐ผ๐๐๐.
Monospace: ๐๐๐ ๐ณ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ต๐๐๐๐๐๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ฃ๐ข $๐ณ๐ด๐ธ๐๐.
Sans-Serif: ๐ณ๐๐พ ๐ฃ๐๐ผ๐๐๐๐๐๐พ ๐ฅ๐๐๐พ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐พ๐ ๐๐๐พ ๐ฟ๐บ๐ ๐บ๐๐ฝ ๐ ๐บ๐๐ $๐ฃ๐ค๐จ๐ณ๐ธ.
Sans-Serif Italic: ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐๐ช๐ค๐ด๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ๐ด๐ฆ ๐๐ช๐ณ๐ฆ๐ง๐ฐ๐น ๐ซ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ด ๐ฐ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ง๐ข๐ต ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ข๐ป๐บ $๐๐๐๐๐ .
Sans-Serif Bold: ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ถ๐ฐ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ถ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ณ๐ผ๐ ๐ท๐๐บ๐ฝ๐ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ $๐๐๐๐ง๐ฌ.
Sans-Serif Bold Italic: ๐๐๐ ๐ฟ๐๐๐จ๐ค๐ช๐ง๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ค๐ญ ๐๐ช๐ข๐ฅ๐จ ๐ค๐ซ๐๐ง ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐๐๐ฉ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ฎ $๐ฟ๐๐๐๐.
Script: ๐ฏ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐พ๐ธ๐โด๐๐๐๐ โฑ๐พ๐๐๐ปโด๐ ๐ฟ๐๐๐ ๐ โด๐๐๐ ๐๐ฝ๐ ๐ป๐ถ๐ ๐ถ๐๐น ๐๐ถ๐๐ $๐โฐโ๐ฏ๐ด.
Italic: ๐h๐ ๐ท๐๐๐ ๐๐ข๐๐ ๐ ๐น๐๐๐๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐ข๐๐๐ ๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐กh๐ ๐๐๐ก ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ง๐ฆ $๐ท๐ธ๐ผ๐๐.
Bold: ๐๐ก๐ ๐๐ข๐๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ ๐ ๐ข๐ซ๐๐๐จ๐ฑ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ณ๐ฒ $๐๐๐๐๐.
Bold Italic: ๐ป๐๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ $๐ซ๐ฌ๐ฐ๐ป๐.
Fraktur: ๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ข ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ต ๐ง๐ฒ๐ช๐ญ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฃ๐๐ฑ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฉ๐๐ท๐ถ $๐๐โ๐๐.
Bold Fraktur: ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ฏ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ $๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฟ๐.
FTFY. (Damn you! Spell your variables correctly!)But "MATHEMATICAL MONOSPACE"?
Mathematicians can often use a lot of symbols, and they're pathologically opposed to multi-character names, so they use a lot of fonts. (It makes it easier to spot a mathematician's code; it has single-letter names for things even where it makes no sense to do itโฆ) Unicode being Unicode, they just imported the whole lot straight; I can sort of see why they did it (the differences in font encode semantic differences, unlike with normal typography) but the result still is nauseating.I would have liked Mathematical Monospace when I was doing my postgrad researchโฆ
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Mathematicians can often use a lot of symbols
I did rather theoretical CS university and before that some extra physics at high school, so I am used to it. But everything I've seen did away with Latin (variables are always typeset italic), Greek, Hebrew and bold, doublestruck and script as font variants. Even fraktur was rare (it's difficult to distinguish in handwriting) though I've probably seen it a time or two. That's several hundred options already.
Besides in monospaced font some characters (usually those of 1 ex width, which is many of them) will look exactly like their proportional counterparts. So you can't tell them apart as single letters that mathematicians are so much set on.
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FTFY. (Damn you! Spell your variables correctly!)
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I worship low-fat milk, vegetables and modest food portions. Will you stay out of my religion please?
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Eat
FTFYlessfewer beans.
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I did rather theoretical CS university and before that some extra physics at high school, so I am used to it. But everything I've seen did away with Latin (variables are always typeset italic), Greek, Hebrew and bold, doublestruck and script as font variants.
A friend tried to use Japanese symbols in an exam, after the examiner of that course had claimed that it's ok to use any symbols as long as they make sense (this when questioned why he was switching symbols in the middle of an equation).
Long story short: the (one of the?) Japanese symbol(s) representing "small" is apparently not an acceptable replacement for ฮต.
Regional indicator symbol - Wikipedia
