Firefox 33



  • So, this iteration has decided which feature to ruin this time: Menus!

    Firefox 33's menus, rather than simply open their submenu faster when left-clicked like submenu-opening items of every other applications, now open the dialog box instead. Including if you click on the arrow.

    Want faster access to your "recently closed tabs" menu (which doesn't have a toolbar button in the customize menu) like you had one update before? Well, better change the menu speed for all of Windows now, chap!



  • Looks fine to me. Clicking on History -> Recently Closed Tabs pops out a submenu like normal.



  • Those show up right on the history menu for me. Well, I just had one, created for testing exactly this.



  • Oh right, I forgot there was a History toolbar button. I always use the one from the menu (Classic Theme Restorer'd menu, by the way) because I don't use history otherwise, and the half-assed shortcut didn't appeal to me. Well it probably will now.



  • I specifically checked the menu bar.

    Edit: The history thing is way faster though, and you don't need to press alt to show it.

    Edit again: I just noticed
    @Medinoc said:

    (Classic Theme Restorer'd menu, by the way)

    That may be part of the problem.



  • That would mean after the previous update broke Firefox, this update broke the Firefox-unbreaker.

    What I get on the menu is this:


  • area_deu

    Wait. why don't you just use the normal menubar?



  • I assume you mean the history button there? Because I never bothered adding it. The single gained click for a not-that-common use case (needing to re-open a tab that wasn't the last one closed) wasn't worth the loss of address-bar real estate while the good old menu worked correctly.

    I'm definitely using it now that the good old menu has been de-de-broken.



  • Oh, I don't have that thing up on the left. But I'm also on Linux. I just use the hamburger dealie.



  • Uhm, I don't see a "recently closed tabs" submenu in the hamburger dealie's history section. All I see is a weird "restore closed tabs" option that restores like ten at a time.



  • @boomzilla said:

    Oh, I don't have that thing up on the left. But I'm also on Linux. I just use the hamburger dealie.

    I don't have it either, on Windows. The thing-on-the-left is from Classic Theme Restorer.

    @Medinoc said:

    wasn't worth the loss of address-bar real estate while the good old menu

    Is it worth the gain in a few pixels of horizontal address bar space, when you lose the much more limited vertical space that the thing-on-the-left and everything above the tab bar takes up?



  • @Medinoc said:

    Uhm, I don't see a "recently closed tabs" submenu in the hamburger dealie's history section. All I see is a weird "restore closed tabs" option that restores like ten at a time.

    Yeah, that's what I have. But if you click on a single entry in that list you just get the tab that you clicked on. Which makes sense.



  • By the way this is the menu I was talking about, and that I thought OP meant before I noticed "Classic Theme Restorer":



  • @hungrier said:

    Medinoc:
    wasn't worth the loss of address-bar real estate while the good old menu

    Is it worth the gain in a few pixels of horizontal address bar space, when you lose the much more limited vertical space that the thing-on-the-left and everything above the tab bar takes up?

    1. History isn't the sole reason I use the classic menu.
    2. The vertical loss is nil when maximized, replaced by an horizontal loss I never
      felt as a "loss" because the button was there before. Plus, I use
      it.

  • area_deu

    Btw, that thing apparently got completely broken on Linux if you use themes (aka "Personas" back when Firefox wasn't getting controlled by idiots). The text color seems to be black, no matter what your theme color says (unlike in FF versions up to and including 32).
    Dark themes are no longer possible!



  • Using Firefox after 2008 is TRWTF.


  • area_deu

    Bah, it was good until Australis hit. Now my personal preferred way of using it is held together by add-ons, duct tape and CSS hackery.
    But certain things just make me keep using it - at home.
    I use Chrome for almost everything at work, weirdly enough.



  • My usage is just the opposite... Chrome at home, Firefox at work.

    ...mainly because we're only allowed to use Firefox or IE at work.



  • @chubertdev said:

    Using Firefox after 2008 is TRWTF.

    But what are we supposed to use when Chrome* finishes its journey towards becoming a complete pile of shit? Opera?


    * Strangely, Chrome on Mac seems to have been immune to the horrible, Discourse-like changes that have been plaguing the recent versions on Windows.



  • Well, that may have to do with the fact that Google hates Microsoft. Even Apple doesn't hate Microsoft, or at least not to such extremes. They refuse to release any of their services on Windows Phone, and block any attempts by Microsoft to do it for them. Then there's the wonderful thing they did with Chrome, where they threatened lawsuit until Microsoft relaxed Windows Store app rules for browsers and then flaunted it by embedding ChromeOS (with it's own desktop) in the app.

    Don't be evil, they said...


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @aliceif said:

    Wait. why don't you just use the normal menubara better browser?

    FTFY.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @hungrier said:

    But what are we supposed to use when Chrome* finishes its journey towards becoming a complete pile of shit? Opera?

    Probably not, since Opera's based on Chrome now.



  • My favorite Chrome is Sleipnir. It's named after a horse with too many legs.



  • @hungrier said:

    But what are we supposed to use when Chrome* finishes its journey towards becoming a complete pile of shit? Opera?


    * Strangely, Chrome on Mac seems to have been immune to the horrible, Discourse-like changes that have been plaguing the recent versions on Windows.

    Whatever replaces it. Firefox is miles ahead in that journey, though.



  • ...OK, I'm stupid. I didn't notice that the history items right below the "Restore closed tabs" option are the recently closed tabs (facepalm)



  • @hungrier said:

    But what are we supposed to use when Chrome* finishes its journey towards becoming a complete pile of shit? Opera?

    Lynx.



  • That looks a bit like SeaMonkey. I like how it's the same UI as back when it was Netscape.



  • There is literally no good browser right now. Chrome sucks, Firefox sucks and Opera sucks. It's the great tragedy of our times.

    I use Firefox though because at least it lets me have vertical tabs.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @anonymous234 said:

    There is literally no good browser right now. Chrome sucks, Firefox sucks and Opera sucks

    Clearly you have to switch to IE.

    The one for Linux.


  • area_deu

    ToDo:
    See if this thing works on today's Solaris:


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @aliceif said:

    See if this thing works on today's Solaris:

    While googling, I discovered that someone made something called "Linie" that claims to let you run IE7-9 under Linux.


  • area_deu

    It's probably just WINE with some wrapping around it.
    Boring.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @aliceif said:

    It's probably just WINE with some wrapping around it.Boring.

    That's why I didn't bother clicking any of the links.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    There is literally no good browser right now.

    Was there ever? Serious question BTW, 'coz in my experience every browser since Mosaic sucked - just in a different way.


    Filed under: pick your poison



  • Long time ago I used IE because there wasn't anything else. Then one day I switched to Firefox 1.5 because it was so much better. Stayed until FF3 because 4 was such a resource hog, and a nice alternative popped up - Chrome. But around version 20-something they started fucking it up - beginning with inability to pin pages on start page (because the browser knows so much better what sites you want at your start page than yourself). So I switched to Opera (right now it's basically Chrome without Google fuckupery influence). But in the most recent version they somehow changed font rendering and they are not more anti-aliased - a very minor detail, but i almost killed a cat out of rage, because I hate when suddenly things look differently without my digitally written consent.

    On Windows Phone it's even worse - I'm still at the IE stage, and WP8 IE is worse than desktop version - most notably, it randomly closes tabs behind my back or clears back-button history



  • I tried getting IE for Unix to run on SunOS a couple years ago; I stumbled across it on a network drive and had a Sun box I could access. I wasn't successful, unfortunately. Not that that means there isn't a way.



  • Are you still on regular WP8? It seems to be a bit better in 8.1+.



  • @Magus said:

    Are you still on regular WP8? It seems to be a bit better in 8.1+.

    It didn't randomly close tabs on regular WP8.



  • @GOG said:

    Was there ever? Serious question BTW, 'coz in my experience every browser since Mosaic sucked - just in a different way.

    For me, Opera 12.17 is still the best option (worst offense: no support for the onbeforeunload event) on any webpage that isn't too new or retarded to work with it, followed by Firefox with Tab Utilities installed, then...probably Qupzilla, Lunascape, IE (as long as you aren't stuck on XP), etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, the new Opera, Lynx, Chrome as kind of a last resort, and then sort of a pile of stuff that either hasn't been updated in ages or is just a stupid idea to begin with.


  • area_deu

    @kilroo said:

    Lunascape

    That browser is hilarious.
    It looks 90s as hell and is more chaotic than Eclipse.
    I used it back when it was at v5.something and had lots of fun with it.



  • @Magus said:

    They refuse to release any of their services on Windows Phone, and block any attempts by Microsoft to do it for them.

    I suspected this after my Gmail accounts quit syncing to my Windows Phone for no apparent reason. It always claims my username/password is incorrect, but they aren't.



  • Oddly, that's the one thing that still works for me.

    A while back, Microsoft decided to write a Youtube app. Google took it down for violating their API's rules. Essentially, unless you are Google, you can only write a Youtube app in pure html5. They'll only enforce it if you're Microsoft, of course, and there are many clones which work. Really, you don't even need an app for it, but it's rather horrifying. It wouldn't even be that bad, but they'd had an older app which was allowed, and they asked Google how they could improve it. The one made with Google's advice is the one they blocked...

    I haven't launched the Google Search app in months, but pressing the back button in it closes the app. It's the only app Google has published to the WP store.



  • @aliceif said:

    Lunascape

    That browser is hilarious.It looks 90s as hell and is more chaotic than Eclipse.

    I concur, but I still have to admire the fact that they actually got three engines working side by side without it being any worse than it is.


  • area_deu

    @Gaska said:

    I switched to Opera (right now it's basically Chrome without Google <s>fuckupery</s> influence). But in the most recent version they somehow changed font rendering and they are not more anti-aliased - a very minor detail, but i almost killed a cat out of rage, because I hate when suddenly things look differently without my digitally written consent.

    Yeah, me too. I hate it when they fuck around with the rendering.
    Luckily opera://flags/#disable-direct-write restores the old look.



  • @ChrisH said:

    Yeah, me too. I hate it when they fuck around with the rendering.Luckily opera://flags/#disable-direct-write restores the old look.

    Much thanks! Also disabled new startpage and one other stupid thing (don't remember what exactly).



  • @chubertdev said:

    Whatever replaces it. Firefox is miles ahead in that journey, though.

    At least firefox allows add-ons to meaningfully step back from the journey.
    Firefox and Chrome both have a "feature" that's a deal breaker for me, but only firefox has add-ons
    to disable it (with chrome not allowing add-ons to go that far).


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    You're going to say that and not rant about the feature, why it sucks, and why it holds you back?



  • What you don't know, you're less likely to disagree with.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @created_just_to_disl said:

    What you don't know, you're less likely to disagree with.

    That forum is on a different domain.

    But you're the worst of the worst because that's the most useful feature in the history of computers!



  • Let's look at the new start page. Here's a site thumbnail:

    Q: What do you think that grey pin icon below the thumbnail does? Note it's not blue like its counterpart inside the thumbnail.

    A: Nothing. The pin icon and the title below the thumbnail are nothing except an extension of the thumbnail itself. Clicking the pin (or the title) acts like if you clicked the thumbnail, opening the site. It doesn't change appearance. It's a useless doodad. Okay, so it's actually an indicator: if I unpin the site this icon disappears. I still think it's mostly useless.


    Now look at the wise padding decisions on the page. Whitespace? We've got whitespace! (except between thumbnails, because who wants that?) I hope it looks better in screens larger than 1280x800. I'm not expecting better padding between thumbnails though.

    Oh, the icon on the top right which kind of looks like a gear, suggesting "settings"? It's a toggle for making the whole page blank (except for the icon itself). Intuitive!


    (Yes, I could get a better monitor. Also, one of my pinned sites is what.thedailywtf.com. Shut up.)

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