The Doctor Who Opinion Topic (by popular demand)



  • Continuing the discussion from Return of the Doctor:

    @darkmatter said:

    i just thought it took a month for there to be enough content with the new doctor for someone to start an opinion topic about him.

    As for the last season, I'm a little disappointed. It holds up, but it seems like Moffat is too busy fishing for Emmy to keep people entertained. If it was a Matt Smith season, I'd probably give it a pass.

    Oh, and for the

    @darkmatter said:

    hot wide-faced assistant

    , she's okayish, but that boyfriend guy seems even more annoying than Mickey, and that's quite a bar.



  • I don't watch this, but having Googled the
    @darkmatter said:

    hot wide-faced assistant

    I'm wondering if I should start.


  • SockDev

    eeeh... the new doctor is OK, but nothing to the awesome that was the fourth doctor.

    (and flamewar about the best doctor starts in 3.... 2.... 1....)


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    I feel like he's kind of all over the place, you know? I kind of feel like there's a lot of conflicting goals. "Make him witty and funny like Smith, but also angry and aging like Hurt, and emo like Tennant. Oh, and drag him into a love triangle, but don't make him in love with his companion, people are starting to complain about that happening. Also, make sure you do one of every type of episode before the halfway point of the season so people know what to expect."


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    The first few episodes I didn't like all that much--too much like the previous few doctors. But I like where it's going lately--it more like the TOS, and I preferred that over the modern incarnation.

    The big problem is that this is in a lot of ways a modern show--faster paced, less plot, more running around, jump cuts, and so on.

    Also, I was enjoying the brief period before we found out there was going to be another drawn-out season(s)-long plot. Can't we just have a couple of people tooling around helping people out of jams and every once in a while interrupting some big plots? I realize that gets stale eventually but I'd love a season or so of it.



  • @FrostCat said:

    The big problem is that this is in a lot of ways a modern show--faster paced, less plot, more running around, jump cuts, and so on.

    I don't mind it being modern - but more dramatic and edgy episodes worked way, way better when there were 1 or 2 of them per season in an otherwise silly show. Now they're just running a dramatic show.

    @Yamikuronue said:

    I feel like he's kind of all over the place, you know?

    Hm, I don't see that. 12 does have a very distinctive personality (though the whole "am I a good man?" thing seems a bit out of character). Granted, it seems like he got a huge blow in the head and forgot what humans do, but his trope seems to be mostly "I don't care about anybody around, but I still save them 'cause I'm just that cool".

    I expected Capaldi to be a bit more like Eccleston, but it seems like the Time War is now long forgotten.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    I do love the attack eyebrows. I think as of Time Heist I'm starting to get a feel for him, but last week derailed that again, as I'm sitting here going "Really? He's gone all stupid about people again? Oh, great, and now he abruptly has a huge problem with Clara's boyfriend so we can have more romance drama. Can't we go back to kicking ass? What was wrong with that?"



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    Oh, great, and now he abruptly has a huge problem with Clara's boyfriend so we can have more romance drama.

    As I said. Mickey feels like the coolest guy in the universe now.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    I like him. He's going for the stoic type, and the poor guy just can't seem to catch a break with Clara always darting off. I might hate him by the end of the season, but meh, he's cool.

    Rory > Mickey =~ Pink, though. And everyone >>> Rose Motherfucking Tyler. #flamebait



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    I like him. He's going for the stoic type, and the poor guy just can't seem to catch a break with Clara always darting off. I might hate him by the end of the season, but meh, he's cool.

    I don't know; he seems just as butthurt as most of the guys. "Yeah, yeah, yeah, time and space, billions of galaxies... but do you love me, Clara?". Uuugh.

    Then again, guys in the show have been less than brilliant from the beginning of the new series. I still think the coolest one was that kid with a hole in his head from Sat5.

    @Yamikuronue said:

    And everyone >>> Rose Motherfucking Tyler. #flamebait

    Not taking you on it, but she was okay to me. At least the romance was proper, instead of those ambiguous love triangles.

    Still, it would seem fitting for this Doctor to pick up some alien companion, or perhaps *gasp* a male one, but it doesn't seem likely.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    See, I got a very different vibe from that scene. I read it as more, "You have this amazing wonderful life full of indescribable wonders, and you didn't even consider bringing me along? SADNESS." I will call BS if his lie-detecting ability doesn't turn out to be because he has some alien DNA or some such, though. He's too good at it to be natural.

    As for Rose Tyler, I was bored by her to begin with, which isn't a huge sin, but then she just refuses to go the fuck away. She has so little to offer over any other companion, but somehow, she's the Chosen One, the most Mary Sue of all Mary Sues.



  • To be fair, all companions are the most Mary Sure of all Mary Sues. (Especially those that need a title to distinguish themselves from each other (e.g. "the girl who waited", "the impossible girl", ....)


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    That's what I mean. Sure, Amy and Clara and Martha and Donna are all flavors of Mary Sues, but Rose is THE Mary Sue that is somehow special and amazing and unforgettable among all the Mary Sues. What makes her so much better that she HAS to show up for every special event ever? What makes her like, the Doctor's soulmate or whatever the fuck?



  • @created_just_to_disl said:

    To be fair, all companions are the most Mary Sure of all Mary Sues.

    Donna was cool, from what I remember. Though it might be because she came after Martha Jones, and she was the blandest of the blandest.

    @Yamikuronue said:

    See, I got a very different vibe from that scene. I read it as more, "You have this amazing wonderful life full of indescribable wonders, and you didn't even consider bringing me along? SADNESS."

    Even worse then - "you have some sort of your own life? This cannot be!"

    @Yamikuronue said:

    What makes her like, the Doctor's soulmate or whatever the fuck?

    Well, she... kinda was, at least to Ten. And she had at least traces of personality, unlike Martha and Amy (Donna was cool, as I said). Clara seems to be taking her over by a mile in the witty department, though.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @created_just_to_disl said:

    To be fair, all companions are the most Mary Sure of all Mary Sues. (Especially those that need a title to distinguish themselves from each other (e.g. "the girl who waited", "the impossible girl", ....)

    ...which is a complete fail, relative to the old show. Sarah Jane had a "never say die" attitude coupled with a ridiculous ability to scream; Harry was somewhat befuddled, perhaps an older-and-more-sarcastic Arthur Dent, Turlough had a deep secret, Adric was a twit, and so on. None of them where the fucking Chosen One.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Donna was cool

    Oh how I hated Donna. She was a big-mouthed stupid harridan until she turned into DoctorDonna, and then she became insufferably smug.



  • @FrostCat said:

    the old show

    Eh, I should watch it eventually. Though the sheer volume of the old series is quite terrifying, and I'm a bit OCD about shows I watch (plus the missing episodes aren't helping).

    @FrostCat said:

    Oh how I hated Donna. She was a big-mouthed stupid harridan

    Exactly! Personality, dammit! Maybe the cheapest sort, but personality!


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    All the old episodes are missing, are from the very early days. Mostly second doctor, I believe, with a few first and third. I would recommend, if you want, to just start with the third, or maybe the fourth. It won't be too big a deal to miss the earliest ones; besides, they've physically aged poorly due to the BBC's original cavalier attitude to archival. Dailymotion.com seems to have a lot or even all of 6+7, and might have 4 + 5.

    Honestly the continuity is mainly in the recurring villians; you can almost watch it in reverse.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Exactly! Personality, dammit! Maybe the cheapest sort, but personality!

    Well, I'll give you she had something that you could loosely call personality, lol.


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @darkmatter said:

    hot wide-faced assistant

    She is pretty OK, but she is no Karen Gillan. I have always dug redheads, and she is an amazing example of ginger female beauty.


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