Windows 10 Tech Preview First Impressions
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I disagree: the great thing about readline is that everyone implements it. You can't credit any one shell for that.
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After thinking about it a little more, I'll grant you half of what you say about readline. What I was complaining about in cmd -- the actual behavior of tab -- that is readline-provided, so on that front you're right and I was wrong. It's readline that expands the current token to the longest common prefix among the completion candidates.
However, the stuff boomzilla and others were talking about -- completing cli options, or make targets, or filenames that are in version control but not non-version controlled files -- that's provided by the shell and things people have put on top of the shell; not by readline.
boomzilla's comments were fresh in my mind when I got to your post, which is why I said what I did initially.
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The other workaround is to use IE (9+)
I hate those things. Just show me the damn browser.
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Minor pedantry: the thing yall are referring to as ‘bash-style autocompletion’ is actually GNU Readline. It's not just for shells – most, if not all, open source interactive programming environments include support for either readline or a compatibly-licensed clone.
No, I'm not (though that's part of it):
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Hover your mouse over the Firefox icon for a half-second, then click on the preview that looks like Jira?
Sigh.Maybe my mistake is assuming Firefox has been patched to support features in Vista...
Do you keep all your files in a single folder? Or have your physical CD/DVD collection organized by the order you bought them? Or have all your socks, pants and underwear thrown together across all your drawers, sorted only by how recently you last washed each item?
People like organizing things into mental boxes. It helps them manage things. Heck, it's not just a human thing. It's at the basis of how BSP's and all sorts of tree data structures work.
You can get faster to what you want if you organize stuff in a hierarchy. It's why UI metaphors like menus, toolbars, sidebars and fieldsets work.
Given enough open windows, a faster way to select which window you need to bring up can, if not strictly necessary, at least be desirable.
One way to achieve this is through virtual desktops. Another similar one is physical monitors with independent taskbars. Another still is something like Firefox Panorama. And yet another would be grouped/combined taskbar buttons like in Windows since 7, if only you could group them like it makes sense to you, rather than by application.
I like that Windows 10 brings virtual desktops. Alternatively I would have loved if it had something like Tree-Style Tabs (and really, just one level would be quite an improvement):
https://addons.cdn.mozilla.net/user-media/previews/full/30/30846.png
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It all depends on what you do. If everything you do is visual studio, you only ever have one window. If it isn't, you may have more.
I actually don't have a very high count - one terminal with source code, and one browser window looking at the web UI. Tabbed editing (in vim) does the rest.
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The programmers where I work all usually only have a couple of windows open normally. Maybe Outlook, if someone's actively reading something; otherwise it's minimized. (I have two monitors; I leave it open maximized on the second, normally.) Then an IDE or two, maybe an Explorer window, and maybe an instance of the app open.
The trainers/support people usually have 10-15 windows: multiple copies of our application, a handful of being-written emails, a web browser or three for Salesforce, and so on. For some reason this cracks me up.
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It all depends on what you do. If everything you do is visual studio, you only ever have one window.
Lies! I use Visual Studio, and I often have a dozen windows (or more) open. Sometime, I even have multiple VS windows open. At this moment I have:
- 2 chrome windows (1 for TDWTF and 1 for accessing my company's volume licensing)
- 2 Outlook windows (main and 1 to compose my daily report, this will remain open until I am leaving for the day)
- 1 VS window for the branch of the project I am currently working in
I have also been known to use use EditPad Pro, because I like its regex editing and testing (when I really need regex); a comparison editor, because VS's isn't that good; Fiddler, for obvious reasons; additional VS windows if I'm working on multiple projects and/or branches at once; more browsers, Excel, Word, Adobe Reader for documentation; Photoshop if I'm doing image or logo work; ...
tl;dr: I use VS and I almost always have multiple windows open. Sometimes even multiple VS windows.
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Yeah, my 'one or two' is for pure programming. I typically run a single browser window that also has the bug tracker, jira, and the build server logs in the first three tabs. I keep email open on the 2nd monitor, and pidgin on the 2nd desktop. If I'm listening to music, I'll have rhythmbox on the third desktop.
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blakeyrat:
When is that ever a thing?For me? Every single day.
Well, if you're doing anything that validates the usefulness of open source software, you should stop.
Because.
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Do you keep all your files in a single folder? Or have your physical CD/DVD collection organized by the order you bought them? Or have all your socks, pants and underwear thrown together across all your drawers, sorted only by how recently you last washed each item?
I do 2 of those three things. GUESS WHICH!
You can get faster to what you want if you organize stuff in a hierarchy.
... depends.
I can get to my applications much faster using search, even though they're organized in a nice hierarchy. Even considering the time it takes to remember their names when I'm having a brain fart.
It's why UI metaphors like menus, toolbars, sidebars and fieldsets work.
Half of those aren't hierarchies.
I like that Windows 10 brings virtual desktops.
Well I'm not opposed to it, as long as it's not providing negative value by confusing people. I just don't see the value in it myself.
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Possibly, but when has that ever stopped anyone?
Mind you, I'm not saying it's for everyone. Probably one of the worst learning cliffs I've ever seen. Then again, some piece-of-shit scripting landed me in an emacs instance once, and I literally had to search google how to get out.
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Well, if you're doing anything that validates the usefulness of open source software, you should stop.
Because.
I really, genuinely have no idea what you are trying to convey here.
In any event, I use desktops and multiple windows per task because my job frequently involves being logged into more than one server at a time, and keeping them all visible as I switch back and forth between them works better for me.
@PleegWat said:
(in vim)
You have no place in an UX discussion.
"Unix is user-friendly. It's just picky about who its friends are."
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Then again, some piece-of-shit scripting landed me in an emacs instance once, and I literally had to search google how to get out.
NukeReboot it from orbit, it's the only way.
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I can get to my applications much faster using search
We need search to include open windows then.
Hmm, does typing part of a window's title help select it when you have task switcher active? This would be interesting.
Zecc:
Menus have child submenus, toolbars contain toolbar buttons, fieldsets have child fields. The mention of sidebars seems odd, but they divide your window in different subwindows, so to speak. The whole interface is a hierarchy of widgets.
It's why UI metaphors like menus, toolbars, sidebars and fieldsets work.Half of those aren't hierarchies.
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Hover your mouse over the Firefox icon for a half-second, then click on the preview that looks like Jira?
Did you not read the part where I said I consider that an imperfect solution?
Yes, that's what I'm doing. The problem is that on the taskbar it has the exact same icon so I have to use the preview to distinguish them. Yes, I know this sounds like a miniscule problem but trust me, it adds up.
...on a second thought, don't answer that.
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I really, genuinely have no idea what you are trying to convey here.
You need to read more. He's alluding to blakeyrat's claim that open source software is all useless
(with the possible exception of Apache).
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huh..i can get windows 10 preview through MSDN....
ok, but which version....en-US or en-GB.... always a tough choice.
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Obviously en-US. Who wants an operating system that knocks off for a spot of tea every afternoon?
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ok, but which version....en-US or en-GB.... always a tough choice.
Go wild and take nl-BE.
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jbo-JBO is always nice.
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Obviously en-US. Who wants an operating system that knocks off for a spot of tea every afternoon?
People who knock off for a spot of tea every afternoon?
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People who knock off for a spot of tea every afternoon?
tea is awesome!
iced in summer because hot, but once fall hits it's back to the hot tea for me.
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iced in summer because hot
Hot year-round. Besides working in a building that always seems overly air conditioned to me, it never gets hot here. Where I grew up, 35 °C was the norm, and 40 was not at all unusual. Here, people start complaining at 25 and dying at 30.
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I do think it depends on lot on the humidity.
30°C in this country would be very, very unpleasant due to the very high relative humidity.
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Here, people start complaining at 25 and dying at 30.
Heh, that's me... I might even put the complaining level a couple degrees cooler.
Of course, on the other side I don't start complaining until -5 C and dying around, say, -10 to -15.
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-5°U is -5285.183̅ kelvin. You'd probably die at warmer temperatures than that as well.
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I do think it depends on lot on the humidity.
30°C in this country would be very, very unpleasant due to the very high relative humidity.
Sure it does. Hot and humid is awful. Fortunately, I've never lived anywhere that I had to deal with that.
on the other side I don't start complaining until -5 C and dying around, say, -10 to -15.
It depends on how you're dressed, of course. I consider 20 about the lower limit of comfortable without a light sweater. (Yes, I'm a wimp when it comes to cold.) The coldest I've ever experienced is around -20. Suitably dressed, it's cold but not uncomfortable; not suitably dressed, you can literally die even quite a bit warmer.
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The coldest I've ever experienced is around -20.
Never spent a winter in the far north, eh? I spent a winter in Green Bay. For two weeks, that was the pre-wind chill factor - the wind subtracted another 10°C. Now I know there's places that get colder but that was more than enough for me.
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Never spent a winter in the far north, eh? I spent a winter in Green Bay.
No. Where I live now is the only place I've ever lived where it snows — an inch or two, maybe half a dozen times per winter. It's actually farther north than Green Bay, but it's near the coast, so that significantly moderates the temperature extremes in both directions.
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We had one winter in Missouri where it was about -25 to -30 °F for about two weeks. Walking to class sucked, especially when it was windy. I literally had snot icicles forming in my beard by the time I got there.
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It's worse when you realize he was probably talking about a neckbeard.
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Doesn't look like a strange beard. Looks pretty normal.
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