Charge your iPhone in microwave - 4chan does it again with iOS 8



  • All you need to know:

    Hi res advert:

    4chan is lulzy when they mess with someone else.



  • It's not really the hoaxer's fault if someone is too stupid to realize that it's a hoax....isn't it obvious that you don't microwave electronics? Or am I really that much intellectually superior to the average person?



  • Hmm, is it technically impossible to make a phone that charges in microwave? I suppose not. But it's obviously risky and you should check your info before believing everything you hear. One google search would be enough.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    People are amazing, just not in a good way.



  • to make a PHONE which uses microwaves to communicate microwave chargeable would be next to impossible, you would have to shield all the electronics against microwaves apart from whatever charging array you created, it would have to essentially be a dual charging array/antenna, and you would have to be able to seamlessly detect low power microwave = comms vs high power microwave = charge and do so fast enough to not fry everything.

    definitely a technical challenge.



  • I would have preferred the solar charging one.

    Less destruction, but probably more people baited.



  • Let's start a hoax that you can speed up your iPhone by cleaning it in the washing machine and drying it in the oven, and find out how many people are actually that pants-on-head retarded.



  • I only like harmless pranks. This isn't funny, this is just mean.



  • It's both funny and mean. They are not mutually exclusive.



  • Ah, but you see? I am not a sociopath, so to me? No. Not funny.



  • I'm not a sociopath either and to me it's funny.



  • Then I think we disagree on whether you are a sociopath.



  • @mott555 said:

    Or am I really that much intellectually superior to the average person?

    No, probably not. But the average person probably wouldn't believe it either. Someone at the intellectually subnormal end of the bell curve, however, might…

    Remember, half the population are of below-average intelligence1. This explains many things, including Dicsourse.

    1 Assuming a normal distribution and taking "average" to mean the arithmetic mean.



  • There's an argument to be made for people willing to charge their phone in the microwave not needing that phone. .. But I'm with blakey on this.

    Solar Power charging would have been much better.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Then I think we disagree on whether you are a sociopath.

    Yeah yeah, it's always "sociopath this, police that" as I put the duct-tape over mouth and shut the trunk. I don't let it bother me, haters' gonna hate.



  • Nobody got physically hurt, and a moron got their jesus-phone permanently excised for lulz. I fail to see the downside.



  • Yeah, I don't see any downside to anything that rids the world of another Apple device.



  • How about your idiot kid decided to test it with your phone?



  • Well I don't have a kid, idiot or otherwise, so it's not a concern. Nor do I have an iPhone, in which case I would be tempted to microwave it myself simply to dispose of it.


  • SockDev

    @algorythmics said:

    to make a PHONE which uses microwaves to communicate microwave chargeable would be next to impossible, you would have to shield all the electronics against microwaves apart from whatever charging array you created, it would have to essentially be a dual charging array/antenna, and you would have to be able to seamlessly detect low power microwave = comms vs high power microwave = charge and do so fast enough to not fry everything.

    definitely a technical challenge.


    Microwaves used in heating are 2.45GHz, those used by GSM are 1.8GHz and 1.9GHz. So you just need to filter the frequencies. Radios have been doing that for over 100 years.

    As for soaking up the power: well, that's just a case of using correctly-rated components.



  • Sounds like a great lesson about the value of things.

    For example, that poor girl will probably have to suffer DAYS without texting and instagram, before her mom and dad buy her a new iphone. Surely the fate only a heartless psychopath could laugh at.


  • SockDev

    Blakeyrat FTW here.

    yes. telling somone that they can make their computer go faster my pressing WIN + D then ALT+F4 then ENTER real fast is funny. (also a little bit mean, but there's no lasting damage)

    telling them a blow torch would also work is not funny, just mean.



  • @tufty said:

    Remember, half the population are of below-average intelligence<sub>1</sub>. This explains many things, including Dicsourse.

    <small>1 Assuming a normal distribution and taking "average" to mean the arithmetic mean.


    Try harder next time to get it right about averages. If I have one person with IQ 110 and 99 with IQ 90, then 99% have below-average IQ (average ==> arithmetic mean), or 99% have average IQ (average ==> mode). For 50% above / 50% below, you need the median (by definition of median), not one of the means, nor the mode.

    EDIT: there's no real guarantee that the human IQ distribution is a standard bell curve. In fact, it's quite likely that it isn't, since there's (by definition) a lowest possible value, and there's no conceptual upper limit.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    Assuming IQ actually measures anything about brain capacity or effectiveness, there'll be an upper limit bounded by the physics of our neural implementation. But that seems less likely every time I read a study about IQ tests being flawed.


  • :belt_onion:



  • Hoping to pump up that like count for PJH's list?


  • :belt_onion:

    @cartman82 said:

    Hoping to pump up that like count for PJH's list?

    PJH's list is the reason I remembered that post, because I went looking to find my most liked contribution... it was in a tie with 3 or 4 others.


  • :belt_onion:

    Though I wouldn't be sad if it did get more likes now... it's too old and deep in a topic to garner very many likes on its own, by that point in the topic only a few people were still reading it anymore to care. :japanese_ogre: (also the topic says someone likes XKCD which means it got auto-skipped by like 75% of the people here probably)



  • Not judging. IMO it's more deserving of likes than some of the discourse circlejerk posts.



  • @Steve_The_Cynic said:

    Try harder next time to get it right about averages.

    He covered it with his assumption.



  • I am with blakeyrat.

    Here's the thing. I think I'm very unlikely to be fooled by something like this, but it nevertheless sounds plausible to me that something like that might work.

    Wireless charging does exist. Hell, a century ago Tesla was trying to figure out how to do wireless delivery of power to houses. How does it work? I consider myself very well-educated both in terms of degrees (I have a doctorate in CS) and in terms of general physics knowledge. And to be honest... I don't actually know how realistic wireless power delivery would work. My guess is that it would work by inducing a current in the device. And if I think through how you do that (changing magnetic field) and what a microwave would produce (I think a pretty constant field; I kind of forget the relationship between the magnetic and electric fields) it seems like it wouldn't work, but it's not so far out of the realm of possibility that I feel it is anywhere near an "omg anyone who believes this is an idiot" level.



  • @darkmatter said:

    Though I wouldn't be sad if it did get more likes now... it's too old and deep in a topic to garner very many likes on its own,
    Sorry, can't help you; I liked it back when you originally posted it.



  • Most wireless charging, though, occurs through purely magnetic coupling at far lower frequencies (in the tens of kHz to low MHz). (It's a flyback or forward converter, basically, just with goofball magnetics.)



  • Mean? Yes.

    Funny? In theory, but also sad in practice.



  • Sure, you can get tricked. But in the end:

    • the truth is a google search away
    • all you lose is a toy

    Now imagine these kids who fried their phones 5 years down the line. Their social media feeds are now full of all sorts of advices and memes regarding babies and parenting. Including stuff like "vaccines cause autism", the gluten crap and similar. Maybe at least some of them will remember the time they'd stupidly fried their phone and this time do some fucking research.



  • @tarunik said:

    Most wireless charging, though, occurs through purely magnetic coupling at far lower frequencies (in the tens of kHz to low MHz). (It's a flyback or forward converter, basically, just with goofball magnetics.)
    That's fine. But really, do you (and even should you) expect an average person to know that? You don't have to be anywhere near the "intellectually subnormal end of the bell curve" to not.



  • @EvanED said:

    And if I think through how you do that (changing magnetic field) and what a microwave would produce (I think a pretty constant field; I kind of forget the relationship between the magnetic and electric fields) it seems like it wouldn't work, but it's not so far out of the realm of possibility that I feel it is anywhere near an "omg anyone who believes this is an idiot" level.

    Changing electric and magnetic fields (at ~2.4GHz). Maxwell's equations, and all that. Don't ask me to explain it; I used to understand it, but I forgot all that stuff as soon as I graduated. Suffice it to say that E is the electric field, B is the magnetic field, and if one changes, the other must necessarily change too.



  • @cartman82 said:

    Maybe at least some of them will remember the time they'd stupidly fried their phone and this time do some fucking research.

    I highly doubt it.



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    Suffice it to say that E is the electric field, B is the magnetic field, and if one changes, the other must necessarily change too.
    That much I knew (and that they are at right angles to each other). What I don't remember -- and Maxwell's equation doesn't really help because I never really learned what ∇×E is (I've seen ∇ used as gradient, but used as an operator instead of multiplied by something) -- is whether the relationship is that they are proportional to each other or that one is proportional to the derivative of the other. I think it's the latter but I'm not totally sure.



  • @EvanED said:

    one is proportional to the derivative of the other.

    Yes. You can have an unchanging field of either type without a field of the other type, but as soon as it changes, the other field is induced, proportional to the rate of change (partial derivative WRT time).

    ETA: Wikipedia tells me ∇, called del, is a vector differential operator, a vector of partial derivative operators, which may denote the gradient (product), divergence (dot product) or curl (cross product). In this case, the cross product means it's being used as the curl. Don't ask me to explain it any more; there's a reason I gladly forgot this stuff >25 years ago, in part because I was never really able to wrap my head around it in the first place.



  • I heard it was possible to improve IQ by sticking your head in an operating microwave oven for a minute or two. Ms. flabdablet won't let me disable the safety door switch on ours to try it out. It's the right brand and everything!



  • Aaaaaand he misses, ladies and gentlemen.



  • Real sociopaths laugh at the ones that make you mix bleach and ammonia.



  • "Get it? It's chlorine!"

    (Zoidberg starts laughing) "It's funny because it's poisonous!"



  • But that's absolutely the best way of cleaning your drains. Mix it up, pour it into your sink, then take a deep breath and blow down the plug hole.

    Filed Under : Don't do this



  • @anonymous234 said:

    mix bleach and ammonia

    Had an idiot college roommate clean the bathroom that way once, then close the door and window to keep the fumes in. I was sick at the time, and really, really, really needed to use the bathroom (vomiting, diarrhea, both, I don't remember any more). Wound up making a semi-emergency visit to the student health center for minor pulmonary edema.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Real sociopaths laugh at the ones that make you mix bleach and ammonia.

    @blakeyrat said:

    "Get it? It's chlorine!"

    Correction, bleach+ammonia produces chloramines.

    If I ever got some (fume) hood time, I'd probably run that reaction (lab technique practice?)



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    Had an idiot college roommate clean the bathroom that way once, then close the door and window to keep the fumes in. I was sick at the time, and really, really, really needed to use the bathroom (vomiting, diarrhea, both, I don't remember any more). Wound up making a semi-emergency visit to the student health center for minor pulmonary edema.

    Ugh. That atop whatever GI tract problem you already were having? I'd say that'd be an emergency visit to the student health center...


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @HardwareGeek said:

    Yes. You can have an unchanging field of either type without a field of the other type, but as soon as it changes, the other field is induced, proportional to the rate of change (partial derivative WRT time).

    I was gonna make a crack about this thread's topic going off, and a (deliberately-)wrong invocation of Blakeyrat's second law, when I decided to Google it to check what the law was. First I was delighted that Chrome auto-suggests it, and second I was even more delighted to see it's on TvTropes.

    This may be old news, but it's the first time I saw it.



  • It will end with a law that mandates a "Do Not Microwave" sticker on all cell phones.


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