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Some Republicans have actually been pushing universal healthcare reforms of their own. I applaud them for it.
Also, some Republicans have actually been pushing healthcare reforms of their own.
Not every reform being proposed is universal.
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No matter what I say you will just grab a small piece that can be refuted out of context and throw more bullshit at it.
It's standard practice when you know, deep down, that you're standing for something that makes no sense whatsoever.
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It's standard practice when you know, deep down, that you're standing for something that makes no sense whatsoever.
Thing is, I don't think @boomzilla has that problem. Hell I think I've agreed more than I've disagreed with his actual statements. I think there's some ingrained bias against anything that has the words "universal health care", and any time it's referenced the kneejerk reaction is to argue the person discussing it, even when the reform is something they actually agreed with.
The thing agreed upon being that mandating insurance is stupid, and that turning everyone to use insurance companies is not the solution.
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The thing agreed upon being that mandating insurance is stupid, and that turning everyone to use insurance companies is not the solution.
Quite.
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How are you people still pretty much on topic?
Which topic? We're not still talking about Conservapedia.
How are we staying on the topic that the conversation drifted to? Some topics, such as health care, are like black holes. Once the conversation drifts within the event horizon, it is never able to leave, and it just spirals toward oblivion.
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So when you're too stupid to understand something, it's my fault.
When you say one thing and then later say you meant something else? Yes. That's your fault.
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Once the conversation drifts within the event horizon, it is never able to leave, and is just spirals toward oblivion.
pretty much.
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When you say one thing and then later say you meant something else?
Interpretation of words is such a fickle thing reliant on biases of the reader.
I do not think it possible for anyone here to fully get a point across about healthcare without typing such massive walls of text with references and clarifications that no one would bother reading. They just reply to the first line to tell you you're an idiot, even though if they had read a couple more sentences they would see that it actually agreed with them in the first place.
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Interpretation of words is such a fickle thing reliant on biases of the reader.
OK, you're still going, so I'll point out again, that you talked about not doing the things the Republicans were saying. Not disagreeing with their criticisms or predictions of what the subject proposals would do. But about doing something.
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that you talked about not doing the things the Republicans were saying. Not disagreeing with their criticisms or predictions of what the subject proposals would do.
Again, out of context, by itself, yes that is the interpretation, but when read in the entire stream of what I was discussing (where I believe I railed against republican strawmen, fud, propaganda, whatever you want to call it), it should be a lot more clear.
I simply didn't re-quote myself in every single post to keep it clear enough for you.
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Also, fun dicsourse bug. Expand this "reply-to" and then hit End
Seriously? SCREW OFF INFINISCROLL HACKED GARBAGE
You have expand the very last posts' reply-to for it to fail.
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Also, fun dicsourse bug. Expand this "reply-to" and then hit End
Seriously? SCREW OFF INFINISCROLL HACKED GARBAGE
You have expand the very last posts' reply-to for it to fail.
WTF? D<iscourse>D<oesn't>M<ake>S<ense>J<eff's>AR<etard>
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#W. T. F.‽
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Try this:
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Thanks. Caffeine deficiency is a barrier to deciphering acronyms (and to thinking of looking at raw, and to typing without getting squiggly red lines under every word).
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I still have no idea what this is about. Democrats say you can solve healthcare problems by not getting sick? Searching "Don't Get Sick" on google, the only links I see are progressives calling the Republican health plan the "don't get sick" plan. So.... no idea.
Whoooosh.
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Turns out, they were simply fudging the numbers and collecting bonuses. Bad incentives lead to bad results.
Better yet, they eventually exonerated themselves by saying "well, nobody died because of waiting, as far as we can tell. They all died due to heart attacks or other underlying illnesses."
Perfect. It almost makes you wish some poor vet DID die actually in a line[1] just to see how these scumbags would've spun it!
[1] If you got to the footnote indicator ready to angrily reply, go back to the beginning of that sentence.[2]
[2] For the pedants and pendants, "In case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic."
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Been there, done that, sold my house to pay off my medical debts, came back to Europe.
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Hah! Now we know you weren't in the US because all of our houses are underwater in debt!
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Hey, I can laugh with you as well as at you. Who knew?
Mid '80s, Seattle, FWIW. And I took a bath on the sale.
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Sorry, it was a bit of hyperbole. Again, I thought I had been pretty clear that I'm only arguing about the stupid strawmen Republicans have been building to make universal healthcare look like some scary impossible thing. Maybe it's because where I live, there are too many morons watching FOX News at restaurants and I get inundated with stupidity
This is actually a vital part of the Republicans' job: disagreeing with the Democrats. In practice, what the two parties actually do when in control isn't very different, except in cosmetic ways designed to be divisive. But there may be adverse consequences if that were known to the general population, so the two parties make every effort to differentiate themselves. If the Republicans have to say stupid things to make that happen, it's just a cost of doing business.
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And when either party is successful in stopping the other, stupidity is prevented.
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The more I look at things, the more I think that boiling the whole of Congress in oil would be a good start at fixing things. After all, right now, wherever and whenever there's a problem, Congress is at the epicentre.
You should sell the TV rights to that. Pay-per-view would help cut down the national debt a lot. You'd be doing your patriotic duty!
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Shopping for a better physician is an option for more people there.
Yes, because there, is a higher population density w/ a concomitant decrease in the distance required to travel to find a physician for price comparisons. 40 miles in the US is a long commute but in Europe, it's 'OMG—That's too frigin' far away!' Yes a slight exaggeration on the EU side. With our pop. dens. sometimes it's more like 100+ miles. My mother ( in S.Dakota ) had to come here to Minnesota ( ~900 mi. ) for decent lung cancer treatment ( and family support ).
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40 miles in the US is a long commute
Well, maybe in some places. In Texas, we have a saying that people will drive 5 hours to try out a new restaurant.
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healthcare systems are paid for 100% by the people who use them
Cough... Cough... Greece and soon Spain... all paid for you courtesy of the IMF and squeezed EU members
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Oh, I said commute, to put it in perspective ( the traffic mentioned ). I have driven from Ft. Sill to the DFW area for steak before. After being posted to 'Sam Houston, not so much.
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Oh, I said commute, to put it in perspective ( the traffic mentioned ).
Fair 'nough. Altho when I lived in Boston I knew more than one person with ridiculous (as in 2+ hours each way) commutes. And there's California, of course.
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Wow. This topic has actually escaped the black hole, at least temporarily.
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40 miles in the US is a long commute but in Europe, it's 'OMG—That's too frigin' far away!' Yes a slight exaggeration on the EU side.
Large parts of Europe have really high population densities, and so they also have awful traffic. That discourages going a long way for trivialities, unless public transport is going in the right direction. Plus we mostly don't build roads as wide as in the US, and spend more on making public transport actually go to useful places at reasonable speeds…
The overall transport spend is probably similar, but [spoiler]mis[/spoiler]spent in different ways.
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Your tiny countries aren't terribly good models, for one. Vastly different scales and demographics. I'd rather pursue things that would improve stuff, not make it worse.
I think you'll find that your scale actually works in your favour, when implementing European-style models - you've simply got a bigger economy to work with.
However, since I know this is an ideological issue for you, I'll just watch you "improve" the hell out of stuff and have a quiet chuckle now and again.
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I'll just watch you "improve" the hell out of stuff and have a quiet chuckle now and again.
Well, yeah. Though probably not the way I'd suggest improving it.
I think you'll find that your scale actually works in your favour, when implementing European-style models - you've simply got a bigger economy to work with.
It will be interesting to see what happens if the Islamic population of Europe continues to grow and to fail to assimilate the way some of our more recent immigrants have. Granted, some of that may just be the short time scale, but it seems to me that there are fewer incentives to assimilate than before.
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That's what they said about the niggers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwest indians
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spend more on making public transport actually go to useful places at reasonable speeds…
Snort. You say that like we don't as well. It's just that our lack of density means that there generally aren't enough people to make it cost-effective.
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That's what they said about the niggers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwest indians
Anybody to look at historic immigration patterns with a clear eye and avoiding racism or careless accusations of same will realize that the current waves of Muslim and Hispanic immigration to the US are quantitatively different in that the immigrants aren't assimilating the same way historic waves have.
Obviously adults don't learn a new language as fast. But unless you have a learning disability you can learn basics like numbers, "where's the <whatever>?" and so on. There happen to be a number of Latino immigrants who deliberately refuse to use English even though they're fluent in it, because mostly well-meaning dumb fucks don't encourage them to assimilate.
Interestingly enough, the Muslims seem generally to integrate, but their kids unintegrate.
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Interestingly enough, the Muslims seem generally to integrate, but their kids unintegrate.
It's also the case for second and third generation non-muslims of a "tanned" complexion. Any idea on why that is?Filed under : hint at 2:10
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It's also the case for second and third generation non-muslims of a "tanned" complexion. Any idea on why that is?
Other than the obvious "because they're being encouraged not to" ?
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Filed under : hint at 2:10
If you think the Iraq war was a "war for oil" then you are stupid. There's no gradations here, no qualifiers: you'd have to be a dumb shit.
Hint: I'm not paying a buck a gallon for gas.
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Not as much of an idiot as the person who looks at the link text, clearly pointing to a single point in the song, clicks on it, sees what the song is, and goes off on one.
Since you're clearly in need of some cluebat attention, the lyric in question was
No Iraqi ever called me paki
which has nothing to do with oil, or wars [not] fought over it. It has everything to do with a generation of people who aren't western enough or white enough to be accepted by the general population, but who are too western to be accepted by the older generation of their "own" community. A generation who never lived the misery that drove their parents / grandparents to emigrate, who find themselves largely at the bottom of the heap of a deeply inequal society, who are easy prey for the hypocrites suggesting religion will solve their problems.
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Since you're clearly in need of some cluebat attention, the lyric in question was
I couldn't really make out the lyrics, but the imagery was all about soldiers and oil, so...
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Not as much of an idiot as the person who looks at the link text, clearly pointing to a single point in the song, clicks on it, sees what the song is, and goes off on one.
You need better clues then. I actually listened about 30 seconds of that but actually could barely understand it.
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You can't hum along to the tune, either.
<sigh>
Go on then.
http://loopthetube.com/#dtOtn1SXIVQ&start=135.000&end=136.5
Fuck me! It's almost inaudible!
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It will be interesting to see what happens if the Islamic population of Europe continues to grow
I'm watching that with some interest - if only because I've been in the reverse situation (sort of).
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And there's the first problem. The US classifies things as live births when the child is born alive. Pretty much regardless of how close to term or other things. Many (most) other countries don't consider those live births and I believe also do not have as good a record at those kids surviving. But it really fucks the comparative statistics.
I've read that Japanese police forces only ever classify things as homicides if they can actually close the case. Cultural thing, or something. Anyways, that's another example of shit statistics.
One of my business profs told me that his college (which is in the mountains) had, according to the statistics, a worse crime rate than a college which was just outside a major city. He found this unbelievable (and he may have been right). He figured that we were just more diligent in counting our crime reports than the other college. His solution? He suggested to the campus police that they not report all of their reported crimes.
