Twitch is now muting any video containing music.



  • So basically everything on Twitch.

    Take this video of a professional Dota 2 player that was in the documentary about Dota 2 playing Dota 2 with Dota 2 music that is played by the game for example: http://www.twitch.tv/feardarkness/b/555212959



  • I knew Twitch was about to go to hell when their acquisition by Google was announced.



  • EDIT: Seriously Discourse? YOU CAN'T HANDLE A LINK IN A TWEET!?


  • SockDev

    @blakeyrat said:

    https://twitter.com/Blakeyrat/status/497416222862884866

    EDIT: Seriously Discourse? YOU CAN'T HANDLE A LINK IN A TWEET!?

    Nope, because quoting is meant to constrain the amount of formatting work it does. Oneboxing included.

    *resets the days since last DC bug counter*



  • That's not quoting, that's one-boxing, and it's supposed to be all whitelisted and shit... you know what fuck this, this thread is just going to turn into Blakeyrat's Second Law: "any discussion on Discourse soon becomes a discussion of Discourse and its myriad bugs"



  • I was going to comment, but keep getting mut----


  • mod

    @blakeyrat said:

    That's not quoting, that's one-boxing, and it's supposed to be all whitelisted and shit... you know what fuck this, this thread is just going to turn into Blakeyrat's Second Law: "any discussion on Discourse soon becomes a discussion of Discourse and its myriad bugs"

    It's really unfortunate, too. I wish we could have some discussions without ridiculous bugs popping up on us. Then we might be able to disprove Blakeyrat's Second Law.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I saw something that one of Twitch's own weekly podcast got muted. (scroll down a bit at http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=23904#more-23904).

    The best part is the heavy-handedness of the thing: if it detects any copyrighted music, it mutes a 30-minute block of the video.



  • Just in case it was a Dream Theatre track.


    Filed Under: One song for an entire road trip



  • It's a shit change, but can you at least try to be accurate? It's not 'any stream with music' it's 'any stream that audible magic shitbox flags as their content' - Yes. There are lot's of false positives, no, it's not a defense and it's an absolute shit thing for them to have done. But your inaccurate statement doesn't help fix the problem, it only makes people ignore relevant, real arguments against the change.

    Yes. I'm researching what if anything can be done and will be talking with several broadcasters. I personally want to know if audible shit would flag the US theme with a patriotic speech by the broadcaster, and you could sue them for free speech and creative expression.



  • I highly doubt Valve would flag Dota 2 music as being something they didn't want on a professional Dota 2 player's stream.

    Unless someone else flagged it as their content, which means one of two things:

    • Valve Studio Orchestra is not owned by Valve.
    • Some shitfuck claimed copyright on music they didn't make.

    Both of those are equally frightening.



  • You are correct, they are also flagging danny b's music as owned, when they have no legal right to do so. I literally spend 16 hours a day at twitch, it's essentially my home. I'm not trivializing the change, and in fact I'm vehemently against it. I am asking you to not trivialize your argument or complaints by adding poorly thought out arguments and pot shots and one liners, and instead spend time on well worded answers so twitch can't write us off as 'just another stupid complaining whiner child'

    Lawsuits are forming already due to this change as it's impacting a lot of people (crypt of the necrodancer is being flagged 100% as well). I'm asking to keep it as a serious discussion.

    The flagged content also occurs in 30 minute chunks, so a 1 minute sound is enough to wipe out half an hour of your broadcast.



  • Especially considering that since it's now basically just more YouTube, and YouTube's approach to claims of copyright infringement is 'Guilty until proven otherwise', it's just going to turn into more and more of a shitpile because people on the internet wouldn't know what not being a cockbag was if it bit them on the taint.


    Filed under: Not being evil, Just being corporate



  • You sound like you've been watching ManVsGame.



  • I'll get back to you when I know what that is.





  • The 30 minute block mute is due not because they necessarily want to, but because that's how they store video on servers. (FLV, 30 minute chunks) - and they don't have the technical ability set up to do anything more restricted. (Not an excuse for them. But it's likely a knee jerk response to a lawsuit. I do note they are muting, not deleting audio, so I do hold out hope that they will reverse the mutes and do a restricted mute in the future)

    But I also extremely dislike their new video retention policy, 14 days for non partners, 60 days for partners. When I find a new streamer, I spend a week or so catching up on their last several months of broadcasts.







  • If it's anything like YouTube, once an audio publisher is "trusted", then can then flag fucking anything fraudulently.

    In all the copyright claims I got on YouTube while doing let's plays, only one was legitimate. And even THAT one, I talked to the company and they said, "oops" and removed it. The rest were scammers.

    In fact, two of my Wizardry Online videos are offline right now due to scammers. I haven't been able to get them to remove the strike (despite having express permission from Sony Online Entertainment for the videos), and I'm sure as fuck not going to give those scammer assholes free money by making the videos public.



  • My main thing is: Most broadcasters would be fine paying for use of copyrighted material related to past broadcasts. Especially if there's any form of making money off those vods. Vods that don't make money should be covered under fair use.

    But there's absolutely no system in place to address this, and no way to TAKE MY FUCKING MONEY and legally use that copyrighted music. (I'm speaking about outside of the erroneously flagged DOTA and necrodancer content)



  • @Matches said:

    But there's absolutely no system in place to address this, and no way to TAKE MY FUCKING MONEY and legally use that copyrighted music.

    Actually there is. But they only deal with TV networks, which get a really good deal-- ever wonder why TV shows (generally) are allowed to use any popular songs they want to? Because the TV network can pay a cheap flat rate which covers anything.

    EDIT: actually I remember seeing a making of of the Venture Brothers where the show's creator mentioned they wrote a sequence to Everybody's Free, but it hadn't been properly licensed, but they refused to change the track and it blew like a third of their entire season's budget. But I digress...

    Radio stations get a shittier deal. Streaming radio stations get a really shitty deal, to the point that they shift from "viable" to "not viable" year-to-year.

    Individuals, they don't even talk to. (I believe the organization is ASCAP.)

    EDIT: I just wrote an "Actually," post. FUCK ME.



  • Sorry, you are correct, well done.

    I'm talking about digital rights for online streaming services and content creators.



  • I suppose twitch falls under this for live content:

    But I don't see ANYWHERE on that site that indicates anything about website content archives. Maybe it's classified under something else?

    Or does it fall under 'non interactive'?



  • No it's classified under "this didn't exist in 1972 and therefore our shitty backwards monopoly organization has no rules for it, fuck you."



  • Non-fair use of copyrighted material is like in-person voter fraud. "There's probably been at least one case of it in the last 30 years, so obviously we have to ruin everyone's experience by fucking up our system to try to prevent a mostly nonexistent problem."

    Or if you prefer a programming analogy, it's like spending a full week doubling the efficiency of a method that takes a few microseconds of your program's total time.


    Filed under: it's like godwinning but with politics instead of nazis



  • @ben_lubar said:

    Non-fair use of copyrighted material is like in-person voter fraud. "There's probably been at least one case of it in the last 30 years, so obviously we have to ruin everyone's experience by fucking up our system to try to prevent a mostly nonexistent problem."

    That's not like voter fraud at all.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ben_lubar said:

    Non-fair use of copyrighted material

    There used to be (way back when) a real problem with organised crime using bootleg recordings to fund their other activities; there was a point to the original draconianness. Technology has swept virtually all that away — who would buy a bootleg record/movie now when torrenting it for nothing is so available? — but the response of the law has been to try to be more strict…

    Some WTFs are just stumbled into.



  • @Matches said:

    It's not 'any stream with music' it's 'any stream that audible magic shitbox flags as their content'

    One streamer I follow had a half hour of a Rollercoaster Tycoon video muted. There's no music at all in the segment, other than maybe the RCT merry-go-round song.



  • You could just post the link directly: http://www.twitch.tv/twitch/b/548824097



  • @hungrier said:

    There's no music at all in the segment, other than maybe the RCT merry-go-round song.

    Which is probably some bit of classical music, and the matching system is contaminated by a performance of the same piece.



  • @dkf said:

    Some WTFs are just stumbled into.

    More like tripped headlong into...still, +1



  • @SirTwist said:

    Which is probably some bit of classical music, and the matching system is contaminated by a performance of the same piece.

    That, or maybe it identified the park guest noises as crowd noise which is obviously copyrighted music.



  • @Matches said:

    Lawsuits are forming already due to this change as it's impacting a lot of people (crypt of the necrodancer is being flagged 100% as well). I'm asking to keep it as a serious discussion.

    I have bad news for you.......



  • TBH the real solution to this (other than the RIAA getting over it, because that will definitely never happen) would be to let Twitch/Twitch Partners pay a small percentage of profits from advertising to the RIAA when they detect music being played on a stream (say 10%). Allow partners to opt in to a lower percentage from all profits if they will always be streaming music a lot (say 5%).

    That still won't happen though.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I didn't have the link--I saw a picture on a blog.



  • @JazzyJosh said:

    TBH the real solution to this [...] would be to let Twitch/Twitch Partners pay a small percentage of gross revenue [...] ASCAP when they detect music being played on a stream (say 70%).
    FTFY, and ASCAP says that's still too low.



  • Holy fuck.

    Assholes.

    I mean, I could understand if music was the main thing drawing people to watch, but they are coming to watch the player. The music just happens to be a background thing to fill time.

    EDIT: Also they are now stripping the FLV's themselves of the audio. Downloading your own vods results in no audio.


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