Feudalism
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Politics, at least in America, is in fact a huge game of "Let's you and him fight".
But there's an important point here about gender relations. To say that men and women are fundamentally different is not necessarily to say that one is better than the other, and I think that saying men are better than women (or the contrary) is a category error. Is an apple better than an orange?
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Oranges are tastier.
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Apples can be turned into alcohol.
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Oranges are rounder.
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Not on purpose. But, yes.
Given the human species' enthusiasm for alcohol consumption, I'm confident that someone, somewhere has done it on purpose.
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Has anyone tried fermenting orange juice before?
https://fogw.worldsecuresystems.com/wines/florida-citrus-wines/orange-sunshine-sweet
As a winemaker, I seriously doubt there is nothing that has not been made in to booze. This particular iteration could probably be put on pancakes though, if I were to take a guess.
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That sounds interesting, and I'm not much of a wine drinker.
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Has anyone tried fermenting orange juice before?
I suspect they're a bit too sour for a good reliable fermentation, though there are liqueurs that are flavoured with orange and OJ is a well-known cocktail mixer.
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Getting bask on topic:
Under apartheid, blacks were restricted from any schooling beyond what the government thought was appropriate to prepare them for a life of manual labor. When apartheid ended, those same people turned around started complaining about being forced to employ black people for jobs that better qualified white people could have done.
- Inequality doesn't magically go away just because the thing that caused it is removed.
- A person can behave perfectly fairly and rationally and still be evil to the core.
- ‘Treating everyone exactly the same’ is a leaky abstraction.
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Getting bask on topic:
The irony.
The affirmative action/equal opportunity thread is over there.
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A person can behave perfectly fairly and rationally and still be evil to the core.
Lawful Evil alignment FTW!
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The affirmative action/equal opportunity thread is over there
Behind the troll: I actually typed that up for the aa thread, but decided it seemed too aggressive/judgmental as a reply to anything there so I moved it over here where it could just be an arbitrary, victimless rant.On a tangentially related note, I would like to point out that the analogy that the ‘nice guys’ article you linked is built upon is fundamentally flawed. Dan never said “I am poor because I work hard”, which is the correct analog to the belief “women don't like me because I am a nice guy”, that all of those other articles the author quoted were complaining about.
Lawful Evil alignment FTW!
The version of that post that I ♥d was the one where FTW is short for Fuck The World.
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On a tangentially related note, I would like to point out that the analogy that the ‘nice guys’ article you linked is built upon is fundamentally flawed. Dan never said “I am poor because I work hard”, which is the correct analog to the belief “women don't like me because I am a nice guy”, that all of those other articles the author quoted were complaining about.
If you think that's a valid objection, you've completely missed the point.
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Well, if the point I raised is not relevant to that blog post, despite being the precise point that was being made by the articles that it was responding to, we must conclude that the blogger in question completely missed the point of those other articles.
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relevant != valid objection.
If anything, your objection actually supports the blog post's point.
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If anything, your objection actually supports the blog post's point.
I know, and that blog post supports the feminists' point. And it's really difficult for me to just let this go even though I know I'm probably just polarizing things further. I'm just holding on to the hope that eventually someone will come up with the insight that lets us see eye to eye.
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Ok, I'm gonna try this: In the blog post, the assertion is made that nice guys do not abuse their partner. I would like to suggest that this is an instance of the No True Scotsman fallacy, and, in the specific case of a nice guy who has never had a partner, is an untested hypothesis.
If I were to tell you an anecdote about a very nice guy, the nicest you ever met, so nice, in fact, that his partner had no-one to turn to, because nobody in the community would ever believe that he could do something like that, would that help you to get where I am coming from?
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I know, and that blog post supports the feminists' point. And it's really difficult for me to just let this go even though I know I'm probably just polarizing things further. I'm just holding on to the hope that eventually someone will come up with the insight that lets us see eye to eye.
Normally when this issue is discussed, both sides end up talking past each other, and demonization occurs on both sides. If there is an insight, I suspect it's along the lines of "Life isn't fair because people aren't perfect", but I don't think either side would be satisfied with that.
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OK, my curiosity is now piqued, but I can't figure out WTF "blog post" you guys are talking about.
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In the blog post, the assertion is made that nice guys do not abuse their partner. I would like to suggest that this is an instance of the No True Scotsman fallacy, and, in the specific case of a nice guy who has never had a partner, is an untested hypothesis.
I've read the blog post multiple times and the assertion that no nice guys are abusive is clearly not there, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
OK, my curiosity is now piqued, but I can't figure out WTF "blog post" you guys are talking about.
Radicalizing the Romanceless
[PLEASE NOTE: This post is from 2014.] [Content note: Gender, relationships, feminism, manosphere. Quotes, without endorsing and with quite a bit of mocking, mean arguments by terrible people. Some…
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You're right. The claim “I'm a nicer guy than Henry” is a lot less strong than I made it out to be.
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Um, I suppose my point is that comparing yourself to other people like that is not always as straightforward as it seems, though.
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comparing yourself to other people
!=is the only comparison I've found to be consistently satisified there.
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Um, I suppose my point is that comparing yourself to other people like that is not always as straightforward as it seems, though.
Here's what I got from that post:
Firstly, the short answer to everyone's questions is, "Life ain't fair." Which he pretty much says towards the end.
But the real point was calling out the feminist concept that "the personal is the political." Every personal problem that someone has needs to be politicized, which entails shoving people into groups (which, granted is something we all do, and need to do, for various reasons). But then they start going into motivations, possibly based on some example where the assertion is justified, but where the assertion is applied to the group with a rhetorical hand wave.
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But then they start going into motivations, possibly based on some example where the assertion is justified, but where the assertion is applied to the group with a rhetorical hand wave.
I feel more and more motivated to ignore what they say as a group, at least until they come up with a sane suggestion that is actionable. But what do I know? I'm just a male white software engineer…
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Having an opinion is personal. Stating your opinion loudly in a public place is political.
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The point is, politics happens, whether you want it to or not, so if you really want to minimize the amount of political bullshit, you're much better off trying to the politics that is happening in the first place, rahter than sticking your head in the sand and trying to maintain the fantasy of a perfect egalitarian utopia, like Valve, where nobody can ever get anything done because of all the cliquey wrangling that no-one will ever acknowledge (at least, not if they hope to remain ‘in’ with any of the cliques).
And sometimes you have to look at what people's motivations might be, because whether someone is motivated by their own bottom line or whether they're actually a controlling creep who gets off on making their employees life hell is not something that you can figure out just by looking at the external facts of the situation; it's going to be a judgment call every time, and the only way we can hope to help anybody is by making sure that both sides of the issue get discussed.
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Having an opinion is personal. Stating your opinion loudly in a public place is political.
I disagree.
The point is, politics happens, whether you want it to or not
Yes, of course. But some lonely dude who's frustrated and whines about it in public doesn't justify his castigation as a prime mover of rape culture. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Valve
I have no idea what this has to do with the topic at hand. That's, like, a company that makes games?
And sometimes you have to look at what people's motivations might be
Totally agree. But try not to project your issues onto everyone else. This is difficult, of course, but the sort of people on display in that post do it as a matter of course and in a most ridiculous way. His analogy of the hard working lower class guy was very good, I thought.
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@Buddy said:
Um, I suppose my point is that comparing yourself to other people like that is not always as straightforward as it seems, though.
!=is the only comparison I've found to be consistently satisified there.@blakeyrat only recognises
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Upstate NY is the last place I would have expected that to work. There aren't gangs of bandits so there's no one to protect the serfs from. That might have worked on the east side of Detroit, where there are neighborhoods the police won't go to.
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Having an opinion is personal. Stating your opinion loudly in a public place is political.
In your opinion.
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I LIKE VANILLA ICE CREAM!<a
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So I replied here and it showed up over there....
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/the-good-ideas-thread/1556/572?u=mott555
Forget about ignoring users for liking vanilla ice cream, we need topics/threading that works.
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I LIKE VANILLA ICE CREAM!<a
Which basically means you're willing to colonize Madagascar.
Oppressor.
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The ends justify the beans.
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Hey, don't be vanillaist. We need to let the chocolates have their say too. Maybe even let a strawberry in now and again as long as no one really takes them seriously.
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I think it's great that they have their say. More vanilla for me.
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You're one of those people that eats 1/3 of the neapolitan and leaves the rest in freezer forever, aren't you?
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I blame the dick who couldn't make up his mind.
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I thought it was a marketing decision from back when families tended to have multiple children.
"Moms, now you don't need to keep three different ice cream tubs in your tiny little 50s era freezer."
"Vanilla for the eldest and most loved..."
"Chocolate for that winy little youngest who won't eat anything else and throws things..."
"And strawberry for the middle child that nobody cares about."
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I thought it was a marketing decision from back when families tended to have multiple children.
Dead marketers didn't decide to buy the ice cream currently in the freezer.
My favorite neapolitan ice cream is the freeze dried "Space Ice Cream" you get at the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum.
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Never been there since I'm mostly a western side of the continent kind of person (and when I do get out east, I have to spend time visiting family or else). One of these years I'll go travel for culture and have to try that.
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Dead marketers didn't decide to buy the ice cream currently in the freezer.
They made freezers to last back then. Chip through the layer of ice in the back and you'll find some.
