Should big digressions be split to a new topic?
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Uh... I did? I honestly can't remember, but it sure sounds funny.
I mean here
Twl
Okay, I've been having fun with this site and here's a list of WTFs: 1. The pricing. $10 a year for what's essentially a bitly link, $50 a year if you want a custom identifier, $1 to change the URL your TWL points to. It's not that it's expensive, it's th...
note the advanced technology employed to deep-link to a single post
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oooh, did you see that?
Was it energy-sword-wielding Optimus Prime riding a fire-breathing Grimlock?
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Was it energy-sword-wielding Optimus Prime riding a fire-breathing Grimlock?
Have you been reading my dream journal?
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would it be better if it was on page 6 of 10?
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Do you think Discourse is like solar panel roads?
Don't you remember? Discourse is
rainbows .
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I mean herehttp://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/28225/330994.aspx#330994
Whew, it was a quote. I've almost started to question my sanity for a while...
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I can't process information buried in unrelated topics. I can't be responsible for handling feedback about the software we wrote that I can't find.
If only there was something specifically intended for tracking bugs and features... hmmm...
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After reading about that twl for a bit, the questioning of sanity starts to come as second nature.
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Careful. He might use his holy mod powers to move your post to the "appropriate" topic.
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If only there was something specifically intended for tracking bugs and features... hmmm...
You could call it a Feature Tracker. Or a Bug Tracker.
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You could call it a Feature Tracker. Or a Bug Tracker.
What if there was software in which you could catalogue and discuss series of footprints.
What would you call that.
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What if there was software where you'd record and talk about people who are interested in footprints.
What if.
What if I'm actually a little tired.
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I fucking saw you make that edit. Wow.
Gotta love those ninja edits. And now I'm sad that there isn't a ninja emoji.
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What if there was software where you'd record and talk about people who are interested in footprints.
We'd probably end up calling it "Community Server" or something.
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Hmm, I wonder if that correlated with the glitch I experienced accessing the site?
You have a three character username, and for a while four characters was the minimum. This was causing problems for a couple of people.
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It actually just a front.
Behind the carboard cutouts of adobe huts, we're putting the cartridge in our nescafe machines, like civilized people
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This was causing problems for a couple of people.
Including the idiot who changed it without connecting the (other) symptoms of the change with the change...
The rather generic error message didn't help of course.
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Hmm, no; it wasn't that. (I was doing something else for the period when that that was a problem; I don't just chat here!) This was today, a few hours ago.
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meta-discussions about "when and how should we split topic digressions, if at all?"
Is really important! If you care at all about other human beings being able to process and discover the conversation, anyway.
I'm sad that you split out this topic instead of just using the topic I already created for this purpose. A week ago. I even made it in meta like I was supposed to
How does Discourse-the-bug-tracker handle "close as duplicate"?
Filed under: I even made it with a useless and terrible name, like I was supposed to :(
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Cross posting this:
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/poll-how-do-you-feel-about-discourse-on-tdwtf/761/12?u=sam
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somehow they managed to get to the 15th one
using the topic I already created for this purpose
Good point. I saw that as more of a "fix the bugs" topic more than "should we ever split topics, ever, and why" discussion.
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I'm semi-OK with the splitting being done when it's a real bug in Discourse (or the deployment here of it) that has been found.
Indeed. Frankly, I'd rather you just started up a separate, focused (for now) topic than actually move stuff.I think I can compromise with the WTF of Discourse the Bug Tracker and be fine with you moving stuff in the Meta : Bug (or Feature Request) sections.
The Meta category is really about TDWTF, not Discourse, and I don't trust you as a moderator for TDWTF. You're too new and haven't acclimatized yet.
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Given that they're tracking bugs with this thing ( ) splitting them out makes sense
I hear there is a nifty little feature for this....
Maybe instead of destroying half the conversations here by breaking all our threads up, just use the thing already built into your software for creating new topics?Edit.. damn, @boomzilla beat me to it
@boomzilla said:Frankly, I'd rather you just started up a separate, focused (for now) topic than actually move stuff.
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Maybe instead of destroying half the conversations here by breaking all our threads up, just use the thing already built into your software for creating new topics?
A bug has already been raised about this.
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Agreed. Mods, I'm asking @codinghorror be stripped of mod privileges. If he needs information about a Discourse bug, it can be sent to him-- or he can READ instead of TALKING. Like his software is intended to be used.
In addition, feature request: remove Oneboxing from certain users. About 90% of Jeff's posts are useless memes and Youtube videos. The site's slow enough with a ton of requests to Youtube for content I'm not going to watch. He's already shown he can't hold an adult conversation without resorting to Oneboxing. Please use his software as intended to remove this privilege, and force him to either converse like an adult, or stop posting.
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Jeff Atwood has become the Obama to Lorne Kates' Fox News.
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Except in this case, Fox News are actually something approaching right. Even more amazingly for Fox News, that's "correct" right, not "somewhere to the right of Hitler" right.
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somewhere to the right of Hitler
This is like saying you could care less when you really couldn't? Or literally, when you mean figuratively?
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This is like saying you could care less when you really couldn't? Or literally, when you mean figuratively?
Oooh, the centuries-old "was Hitler a righ-wing or left-wing nutjob" discussion!
I literally could care less about it.
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I literally could care less about it.
Ok, so why aren't you talking about it?I personally couldn't care less, so my care is running on fumes and I'm quickly going to stop typ
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I have a book for you guys:
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This is like saying you could care less when you really couldn't? Or literally, when you mean figuratively?
No, it's not like that at all.Filed under: IDGI
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Exactly.
Nope, still don't get it. I can almost always grok humour, even when aimed at me, and I certainly am capable of properly using commonly confused words, but I am literally lost here.On the other hand, explaining a joke always makes it less funny.
Filed under: it's literally the new black
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Nope, still don't get it. I can almost always grok humour, even when aimed at me, and I certainly am capable of properly using commonly confused words, but I am literally lost here.
I wasn't really making a joke, aside from a snarky tone.
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Nope, still don't get it. I can almost always grok humour, even when aimed at me, and I certainly am capable of properly using commonly confused words, but I am literally lost here.
On the other hand, explaining a joke always makes it less funny.
I don't know if this was really a joke. The political concepts of left and right vary from country to country, and even over the years. Plus, depending on how you approach Hitler's ideology, you may be able to present him as either left or right winged. The point is, the phrase
somewhere to the right of Hitler
is meaningless. I believe that @boomzilla was saying that you weren't really saying what you thought you were saying.
IIRC, there was a discussion about this on the CS forum a few months back ...
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From @boomzilla's reply denying joke-hood, I am given 4 more or less distinct possibilities:
- @boomzilla considers Fox News to be "balanced reporting"
- @boomzilla is an absolute pedant and was kicking me down for a potential break of absolute exactness in my expression, despite it being fairly clear what I meant
- @boomzilla doesn't know shit about hitler or the extreme right wing.
- @boomzilla considers hitler to have been "overly moderate"
After heading off to CS to do "a research", I am now quite scared.
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You missed one:
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@boomzilla considers Fox News to be "balanced reporting"
As reporting sources go, their news operation is up there.
@boomzilla is an absolute pedant and was kicking me down for a potential break of absolute exactness in my expression, despite it being fairly clear what I meant
I like to think of myself as more of a dickweed pedant. I knew exactly what you meant.
@boomzilla doesn't know shit about hitler or the extreme right wing.
I know plenty about Hitler. I don't know where you're from, but from an American perspective, Hitler fits better on the left than the right (even though most people reflexively say the opposite). If you have some political perspective where that's not true, you'll have to explain it to me. Really, I'd be interested to hear why you think Hitler is right wing.
@boomzilla considers hitler to have been "overly moderate"
Nope. He's just another crazy left wing totalitarian from the 20th century.
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It's usually taught here in England that totalitarian = right wing (certainly was when I studied history!), but Nazi = National Socialism and last I checked, socialism is largely left wing by definition. But it's all a bit murky anyway since there were bits of socialism, bits of fascism, bits of other stuff in there too.
Politics is no longer a line from left to right, but a lot like a horseshoe shape...
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totalitarian = right wing
Fascinating. So, Stalin, Mao, the Kims would all be Right Wingers?
but Nazi = National Socialism and last I checked, socialism is largely left wing by definition. But it's all a bit murky anyway since there were bits of socialism, bits of fascism, bits of other stuff in there too.
I can't see how fascism could be reasonably be right wing. for instance, Mussolini was a socialist before he split and started his own thing. A lot of the impetus seemed to have been a more nationalistic than international focus (though the supposedly international socialist who actually got into power were pretty damn nationalistic in actions if not in words).
Politics is no longer a line from left to right, but a lot like a horseshoe shape...
A single dimension is really a terrible way to try to simplify things. The most important dimension to me is what you think the government should do, and especially what it shouldn't do. Fascists, socialists, communists, progressives, liberals (‽) and self-styled anarchist protesters (‽) seem to want the government to do a lot more than it currently does (at least around here).
People and parties associated with the left and right in the US tend to want the government to restrict speech, self defense and economic activity (left) or more social type issues (right). I typically want the government to do none of these, but as the things the left wants to restrict are more important (a lot of the social stuff can't even be enforced), I tend to associate with the right.
Whatever you think of the right and left, if you think that Hitler's brand of "right wing" is anything like Fox News' "right wing," then you're either ignorant or stupid or a troll.
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Politics is no longer a line from left to right
This makes me think of a bit from Doctor Who (modified here for the purposes of the discussion):
People think of [politics] as a linear progression [from left to right]. But actually, it's more like a great big ball of wibbly-wobbly, [politicky] ... stuff.
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Whatever you think of the right and left, if you think that Hitler's brand of "right wing" is anything like Fox News' "right wing," then you're either ignorant or stupid or a troll.
Or you're a progressivist, according to whom:
- Left == any politics compatible with their philosophy (in which Equality is the highest good) == Good
- Right == all other politics == Bad
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A single dimension is really a terrible way to try to simplify things. The most important dimension to me is what you think the government should do, and especially what it shouldn't do.
Politics is (at least) a two-dimensional space. One (at least) axis is what one thinks the government should do (very broadly liberal vs. conservative; this could certainly be split into N-dimensional space); the other is how much one thinks government should do (libertarian vs. authoritarian). Totalitarian = extreme authoritarian, independent of the liberal/conservative position.
