Unicode (of course)



  • U+1F425

    Why the hell is this (and others like it) defined as a character in a language?

    I guess we should be glad @ben_lubar isn't on the Unicode committee or we'd have Dwarf Fortress glyphs defined as Unicode scalars...


  • Banned

    Awesome, Firefox and IE support it, Chrome does not. (try visiting me in Firefox or IE)

    🐥

    SOMEONE POST AN URGENT BUG ON CHROME TRACKER



  • @too_many_usernames said:

    I guess we should be glad @ben_lubar isn't on the Unicode committee or we'd have Dwarf Fortress glyphs defined as Unicode scalars...


    Actually, they already are!

    @sam said:

    Awesome, Firefox and IE support it, Chrome does not. (try visiting me in Firefox or IE)

    🐥

    SOMEONE POST AN URGENT BUG ON CHROME TRACKER


    Filed under: Posted from my Chromebook



  • How do you know Dwarf Fortress glyphs aren't defined as Unicode scalars already?


    Filed under: 🐝 🐛 🐜


  • Banned

    God Damn It Chrome, why do you have to strip all the cool stuff from "Chrome For Windows the dumbed down edition"


  • sockdevs

    It's even worse: Chrome on Linux does the same thing for me here. But... Chrome OS is Linux.

    scanners_head_explosion.gif



  • I get this:

    I think it's a fonts thing.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I don't seem to be having much luck no matter which browser I try...


  • Banned

    Unicode Character 'FRONT-FACING BABY CHICK' (U+1F425)



  • @codinghorror said:

    http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f425/index.htm

    string.toUpperCase() 🐥

    string.toLowerCase() 🐥

    Good to know.



  • @too_many_usernames said:

    Why the hell is this (and others like it) defined as a character in a language?

    Because unicode is a 💩. Especially since Japanese telcos came with the emoji thing.



  • Hey, if they already have so many symbols, why not expand the scope of Unicode? Let's add some more control characters, like ANSI has. Bold text, italics, larger text, smaller text...

    But that would make most documents a bit redundant wouldn't it? Like why have the html tags if unicode can do it. I think the ideal solution would be to combine HTML and Unicode into one standard. Each tag becomes a character, and you can build anything you want from that. As a bonus we could also combine some features from .doc and .pdf and have the ultimate standard.



  • @ben_lubar said:

    Actually, they already are!

    To be more specific, it uses Code page 437 for all of its glyphs.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @anonymous234 said:

    Hey, if they already have so many symbols, why not expand the scope of Unicode? Let's add some more control characters, like ANSI has. Bold text, italics, larger text, smaller text...

    But that would make most documents a bit redundant wouldn't it? Like why have the html tags if unicode can do it. I think the ideal solution would be to combine HTML and Unicode into one standard. Each tag becomes a character, and you can build anything you want from that. As a bonus we could also combine some features from .doc and .pdf and have the ultimate standard.

    BUG: Cannot apply negative likes to this post.


    Filed under: Antilikes


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I rather suspect that'll get moved to FEATURE REQUESTS.



  • @error said:

    BUG: Cannot apply negative likes to this post.

    Maybe there is an hidden keyboard shortcut for that ?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @VinDuv said:

    Maybe there is an hidden keyboard shortcut for that?

    :arrow_up::arrow_up::arrow_down::arrow_down::arrow_left::arrow_right::arrow_left::arrow_right::b::a:Start

    Edit: Found better glyphs.



  • @sam said:

    Awesome, Firefox and IE support it, Chrome does not. (try visiting me in Firefox or IE)

    🐥

    SOMEONE POST AN URGENT BUG ON CHROME TRACKER

    @Onyx said:

    It's even worse: Chrome on Linux does the same thing for me here. But... Chrome OS is Linux.

    RESOLVED WONTFIX

    I installed the "Symbola" font from here: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/ and after restarting Chromium on Linux the bird shows up. Still don't get the "pile of poo", but I'm not sure that's a bad thing.



  • According to the developer console, the font being used is Droid Emoji.



  • @sam said:

    Awesome, Firefox and IE support it, Chrome does not. (try visiting me in Firefox or IE)

    <big>🐥</big>

    SOMEONE POST AN URGENT BUG ON CHROME TRACKER

    This post is IE11 approved.

    Filed Under: I used to love Oracle and Java, but then I met M$.



  • @too_many_usernames said:

    U+1F425

    Why the hell is this (and others like it) defined as a character in a language?

    For the same reason 'A' is a character in Unicode - so when you send it from one device to another, the second device knows what it is.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @too_many_usernames said:

    Why the hell is this (and others like it) defined as a character in a language?

    And why the hell is there a font with coloured characters in it? Does it support varying the font size or is it totally fucking lame?!

    I can live with weird things in fonts — if Tengwar and pIqaD are a reasonable part of a coding system, so are stupidities like Emoji — but I despise it when they're not really characters but replacements that only sort-of behave correctly.



  • testing:

    The Seventh Symbol

    we're going home



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Hey, if they already have so many symbols, why not expand the scope of Unicode? Let's add some more control characters, like ANSI has. Bold text, italics, larger text, smaller text...

    But that would make most documents a bit redundant wouldn't it? Like why have the html tags if unicode can do it. I think the ideal solution would be to combine HTML and Unicode into one standard. Each tag becomes a character, and you can build anything you want from that. As a bonus we could also combine some features from .doc and .pdf and have the ultimate standard.

    [token xkcd about standards]



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Hey, if they already have so many symbols, why not expand the scope of Unicode? Let's add some more control characters, like ANSI has. Bold text, italics, larger text, smaller text...

    I looked at the page, no, they don't have bold/italics/larger/smaller etc. and don't plan adding them. The variant selectors exist because in the uniHan mess (and possibly some other scripts; Latin is exceptionally simple and regular character set) the variants may mean different things in some contexts while in most they don't.

    However

    @Wikipedia said:

    In an attempt to simplify the several newline characters used in legacy text, UCS introduces its own newline characters to separate either lines or paragraphs: U+2028 and U+2029...




  • @PJH, all yours



  • @morbiuswilters should be a @moderator again!


    Filed under: covert mentioning, covert xkcding


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Sorted it:

    @sam - that foreground window is Chrome, so it is capable of displaying them at least sometimes...


  • sockdevs

    What is that thing in your background window? Is that... is that tab grouping? Does that mean I will have to go to the dark side and use Firefox from now on?

    It's not Opera 12 but dammnit, if I can group tabs and collapse groups, then close enough, it will do!


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Onyx said:

    What is that thing in your background window? Is that... is that tab grouping?


  • sockdevs

    Close enough for now. You have my thanks.


    My RAM hates you though



  • Is a Unicode character yet?



  • Not yet. Luckily there are 11 cat codepoints to start with, though. Finding the right combination of combining marks is left as an exercise to the reader: 🐈 🐱 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿 🙀


    Filed under: [Let them eat 🎂 and 🍦🍨! ](#💣)


  • Banned

    Is this close enough?

    ̸̧̟̤͒ͨ̆͂̄̽͋ͨ̏͠ ̵̵͈̫͕͈͎̭̮̓̅̔̔͒ ̵̤̭̰͍̝́̍ͪ́̀ ̞͖̥̘̟̾̽͂ ̏😹 ̮̥̹̉̍͛̀̃͂̋͗̕͠ ̡̦͚̩̦͎̼̺̞͕̈́ͨ̆͟͡ ̛̟͉̝̣͎̠̫͉͑̂̒́ ̴̻̻̪͑̓̿̑́͝ ͈̠̅ͦ̓ͦ̊ͬ̀̓̇̀͜ ͪ̀̍̑͂ͩ͋̏ͣ̈̉



  • Vista doesn't show these special chars, but Windows8 does. Same font on both machines. Crazy, man, crazy.



  • @dhromed said:

    Vista doesn't show these special chars, but Windows8 does. Same font on both machines. Crazy, man, crazy.

    Probably Windows 8 finally implemented support for more recent Unicode than version 2.


  • sockdevs

    Now if they could only fix Notepad to recognize LF line endings properly so I don't have to futz around with it's CRLF nonsense...



  • @Onyx said:

    My RAM hates you though

    The good thing about Firefox is that it doesn't load the pages until you look at them. So combined with good tab grouping (you are aware of the built-in tab grouping thingie right? It's ctrl+shift+E), it means you could have thousands of tabs with little effect.

    I think if you added a way to unload open tabs and a way to save/export tab groups (so you don't have to rely on the brittle session restore mechanism), you could basically replace bookmarks with that.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    I think if you added a way to unload open tabs and a way to save/export tab groups (so you don't have to rely on the brittle session restore mechanism)

    Prolly an addon for that.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @anonymous234 said:

    The good thing about Firefox is that it doesn't load the pages until you look at them.

    Not by default it didn't. Until (at latest) December last year, that was a option that didn't not have to be turned on....

    CBA reading that 2 year, 70 post thread to determine if they overrode existing preferences or not - I'm guessing 6 months of the 24 was spent discussing that exact point.

    Off-topic - something I've just found out while chasing this up - coming to a Firefox near you sometime soon (probably 32) - new preference dialogs tabs. Probably been in there a few weeks, only updated my source yesterday...



  • @PJH said:

    new preference dialogs tabs.

    I... I'm okay with that.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    But, but, but.... It's CHANGE!!!!

    I'm sure someone will complain.

    Vociferously.

    Probably on /.


  • sockdevs

    @anonymous234 said:

    So combined with good tab grouping (you are aware of the built-in tab grouping thingie right? It's ctrl+shift+E), it means you could have thousands of tabs with little effect.

    <blakeyrant>DISCOVERABILITY!</blakeyrant>

    Seriously, I don't read documentation for browsers, I just use them. If there's no button it doesn't exist™

    Also, I find that interface clunky. I have to CtrlShiftE every time I want to see my groups?

    Obligatory "Opera 12 was the best thing since sliced bread" section:
    To group tabs, drag them onto eachother (or onto an existing group). To collapse the group click the arrow shown right of the last tab in group. To expand the group, again, just click the arrow. To see tabs in a collapsed group, hover over the group and you get a little popover with thumbnails of all tabs (if loaded).

    (I know the screenshot is low red, but it was the one with most info I found)

    Also, I'm pretty sure there was a little "hey, you can do this now!" demo when it was first introduced (Opera 11, I think).

    This extension is close enough. I'd prefer it be horizontal, but that's a matter of taste I guess.



  • Already exists in Firefox (stable) 29, just isn't pointed at by the "Options" menu item yet.



  • Heck, I only found out about that feature while trying to open the extensions page (Ctrl+Shift+E in Opera).

    The funny thing is, it does have a button, but it seems to be hidden until you do Ctrl+Shift+E once. Then it's visible forever. I'm sure there's some twisted reasoning behind that

    Funny thing #2: find someone that uses Firefox regularly, go to their browser and press Ctrl+Shift+N. You'll open the last window closed, probably a pop-up from months ago, because that information is kept between sessions for some weird reason. Or if you're unlucky and it's a family member's computer, a pop-up from a porn website.





  • @anonymous234 said:

    Funny thing #2: find someone that uses Firefox regularly, go to their browser and press Ctrl+Shift+N. You'll open the last window closed, probably a pop-up from months ago, because that information is kept between sessions for some weird reason. Or if you're unlucky and it's a family member's computer, a pop-up from a porn website.

    So, exactly the opposite of Chrome's Ctrl+Shift+N which opens a private window.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    It's Jon Skeet, so voting up liking is mandatory.



  • Is Body stroke funnier than Skeet?


  • sockdevs

    Ok, just checked and at the very least it doesn't remember private windows (yes, I know it shouldn't, but you never know what's in the minds of Mozzilla)

    Not that I have anything to hide...


    Filed under: they found the bodies already anyway



  • U+1F51B ON WITH EXCLAMATION MARK WITH LEFT RIGHT ARROW ABOVE

    [size=40]🔛[/size]

    :on:

    Why is this in the Unicode specification?


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