Feature Request: button in top links to display keyboard shortcuts



  • I know that typing ? in the forum displays keyboard shortcuts - but that's, IMO, not very discoverable. This could easily be made discoverable by putting a ? or a [keyboard][1]* icon in with the menu search and comments bubbles. You could even just put a link in the menu if you are dead set on a minimalist UI.

    * I have no idea how to insert unicode text - it's \f11c
    [1]: http://fontawesome.io/icon/keyboard-o/



  • Just noticed that fontawesome is already in use here, which makes using the exact icon I referenced even easier!



  • @rad131304 said:

    I know that typing ? in the forum displays keyboard shortcuts - but that's, IMO, not very discoverable.

    Damn, I completely forgot about that when I posted in another topic. I've even seen it mentioned, but it is so unintuitive to me that I never even thought of it. I was going to say "typing random non-control characters to navigate text is completely unintuitive," but vi. Doing that in a web browser, however, is something I have never done, and is unexpected behavior, at least in my experience.



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    I was going to say "typing random non-control characters to navigate text is completely unintuitive," but vi.

    Using vi as design inspiration for a web UI is the way to madness.



  • @moderator said:

    Using vi as design inspiration for a web UI anything is the way to madness.

    FTFY. Wait, actually no.

    @moderator said:

    Using vi as design inspiration for a web UI is the way to madness.

    FTFY.



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    Damn, I completely forgot about that when I posted in another topic. I've even seen it mentioned, but it is so unintuitive to me that I never even thought of it. I was going to say "typing random non-control characters to navigate text is completely unintuitive," but vi. Doing that in a web browser, however, is something I have never done, and is unexpected behavior, at least in my experience.

    I never said that I wanted to use them - I said they were not discoverable (mostly because it really does feel like unexpected behavior) and that adding the option would make them discoverable.



  • @moderator said:

    Using vi as design inspiration for a web UI is the way to madness.

    I never said otherwise. What I meant was, it's not completely unintuitve because there is precedent and it seems intuitive to me in this one, specific context where I've been doing it for almost 30 years, but it is unintuitive in any other context. (And yes, I know, even in that one, specific context, it's unintuitive to someone unfamiliar with it.)



  • @mott555 said:

    Using vi as design inspiration for a web UI is the way to madness.
    And here I am.



  • @rad131304 said:

    I never said that I wanted to use them - I said they were not discoverable (mostly because it really does feel like unexpected behavior) and that adding the option would make them discoverable.

    This. There is NO discoverable help screen. The FAQ isn't even a FAQ!



  • @boomzilla said:

    The FAQ isn't even a FAQ!

    You can be forgiven for not knowing but, the FAQ is actually over here.



  • That is an improvement.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @rad131304 said:

    I have no idea how to insert unicode text - it's \f11c

    Have a spare “”, though since it's in the Private Use Area I really have no idea what it looks like to you. Is it a grand shrine to Morbs? If not, why not?



  •  should insert it, but all I get is this this stupid box ...  (see the Markdown Tutorial)



  • All I get is a '- shape.



  • #



  • @rad131304 said:

    I have no idea how to insert unicode text - it's \f11c

    Do you mean ? (U+2328 KEYBOARD)
    (I wonder how much I can increase the font size by nesting <big> tags…)


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @VinDuv said:

    (I wonder how much I can increase the font size by nesting <big> tags…)

    Quite a lot.



  • @dkf said:

    Quite a lot.
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  • Wow, this is totally Community Server stuff right here.



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    do stuff together!

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    is for you and me!

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    is for anywhere
    and anytime at all,
    under the deep
    blue sea!


    Filed under: /thread



  • Sweet, you guys actually broke it. I can't reply to your shit. Or even like it (haha.jpg). I had to go back up to write this.



  • Wow, good find — you guys are really good at breaking things.

    It's been fixed now.



  • Random necro topic revival as recommended by suggested topics!

    @presidentsdaughter


    For game rules, see this post.


  • Banned

    @sam had talked about making

    Mobile View

    switch to

    Keyboard Shortcuts

    when on desktop. I'd like to avoid adding Yet More Menu Items in the hamburger if we can avoid it

    so having a menu item that decides what to be based on the mobile / not-mobile distinction works for me.


  • mod

    My only question is: what does mobile view do? If it forces mobile view, then there might be times (such as on a tablet) when a user might want to have that feature available, but this proposed fix would replace it with Keyboard Shortcuts.


  • SockDev

    Sounds as meaningful as other design choices.


  • Banned

    Ask yourself this: do mobile devices have keyboards?


  • mod

    How about instead of asking asinine questions, you answer the actually valid question which I put to you. Your question only has meaning if the Keyboard Shortcuts menu option is enabled when a keyboard is detected, which is technically difficult to do from a browser.

    However, I will humor you and answer your question: Yes, some mobile devices have keyboards. There are bluetooth keyboards which can be connected to any mobile device. There are tablets out there with keyboard docks, or keyboard covers.



  • If you can't see it, it doesn't.

    #90% of Discourse is not there


  • Banned

    @abarker said:

    Yes, some mobile devices have keyboards. There are bluetooth keyboards which can be connected to any mobile device. There are tablets out there with keyboard docks, or keyboard covers.

    This is a fair point.


  • mod

    I've now answered your question. Will you answer mine, or should I just ask Sam instead?


  • Banned

    I feel like people who have keyboards and care about keyboard shortcuts on websites should generally know the "press ?" convention which exists on virtually all other websites that support keyboard shortcuts -- and it is, to me, a power user feature that can confuse newbies.

    Every bit of text on the screen is going to confuse someone, so I try to limit the words we put on the page when I can.

    Maybe a good compromise is to show it at trust level 1.


  • SockDev

    What good is a feature that no-one knows about? You keep asserting that 'people care about keyboard shortcuts' but it's a surprisingly unknown feature.

    Until I came here, I didn't even know websites were doing the keyboard shortcut thing.


  • mod

    But, as we've shown here at TDWTF, most people don't know that convention exists on other sites. Just because everyone else has it, doesn't mean that people know about it. And hiding your functionality because everyone else does is a shitty reason.


  • SockDev

    I thought Discourse was trying to improve the status quo, not copy it.


  • mod

    @Arantor said:

    I thought Discourse was trying to improve the status quo, not copy it.

    Apparently they're just taking every trendy thing they can find and applying it to forum software.



  • @the_dragon said:

    Random necro topic reviva

    Dang...this is working rather well.



  • @codinghorror said:

    I feel like people who have keyboards and care about keyboard shortcuts on websites should generally know the "press <kbd>?</kbd>" convention which exists on virtually all other websites that support keyboard shortcuts -- and it is, to me, a power user feature that can confuse newbies.

    As others have stated (apparently repeatedly. I can't find it myself as I'm still trying to figure out the search) there are two issues with this argument:

    1. Just because other websites do it doesn't mean you should. If someone else perpetrates a WTF, don't go copying them.
    2. Most (if not all) of us are what you would consider power users, and we were unaware of the ? shortcut on any other site until you mentioned it. Why? Because there is zero discoverability. You actually have to read the documentation to know it's there, and most people who are power users just jump right in and start using the software. They don't want to waste time with documentation. And do you know why? Because, as often as not it's wrong, usually because it's outdated. Not to mention, discourse doesn't have any official documentation.

    @codinghorror said:

    Every bit of text on the screen is going to confuse someone, so I try to limit the words we put on the page when I can.

    Sounds like you have a low opinion of your users. You either trust your users or you don't, and you don't.

    @codinghorror said:

    Maybe a good compromise is to show it at trust level 1.

    If you feel that is the only way to do it, fine. But let's look at it this way: it appears that you already don't trust your users, so to them, the trust levels are going to seem like magic (especially without documentation). So having a new option appear like magic is probably not the right way to go.


    @abarker said:

    What does Mobile View do?

    I am curious about this as well. Since you and @sam have apparently discussed the option of having this automatically interchange with Keyboard Shortcuts, how about telling us what Mobile View does, so we can give you useful feedback on whether that might be a good idea. Remember, this is a site full of IT people.


    Filed Under: I'm hungry


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