Vote of No Confidence

morbiuswilters

That is the word I want to use against all people afraid of discourse.

They just need bridget99's endorsement and Intercourse will have the hat trick of "Criminally-insane Software Developers" locked up.

Nagesh

@morbiuswilters said:

They just need bridget99's endorsement and Intercourse will have the hat trick of "Criminally-insane Software Developers" locked up.

Is that guy claiming to be girl, not joining?

dhromed

Markdown has a bug where a formatted thing does not trigger a newline after it.

_Example_Something like this

And you have to put a space after it for the newline to trigger:

Example
Something like that

dhromed

Anyway, how do we dump all of these obvious bugs into Atwood's public bug tracker in a civil, productive manner? (assuming there is one)

morbiuswilters

@dhromed said:

Anyway, how do we dump all of these obvious bugs into Atwood's public bug tracker in a civil, productive manner? (assuming there is one)

Flaming bag of shit on his front porch? I've got a bag and there's a Taco Bell 45 minutes away.

Filed under: I actually can't eat at Taco Bell because hardly anything is vegetarian..

Nagesh

@dhromed said:

Anyway, how do we dump all of these obvious bugs into Atwood's public bug tracker in a civil, productive manner? (assuming there is one)

First create a list. Then headover to https://meta.discourse.org/ and start new topic.

Quietust

I'm not sure if it would help, given that some of the "bugs" we've seen are deliberate design features.

Filed Under: GO AWAY STUPID ADVICE YELLOW BOX, FUCKING HELL WHY DO THE HOME AND END KEYS NOT WORK CORRECTLY?

anonymous234

I really dislike these "everything dynamically loaded by javascript" pages. As a theoretical concept, there is no reason why they shouldn't work well but in practice. 99% of the times you WILL find small bugs or have content that mysteriously fails to load because the wrong packet was dropped and the code is too stupid to try again.

The problem is that, if you want to "do things your own way" instead of the "old" way, then you'll have to reimplement every feature that browsers have already had for decades. Just for something like infinite scrolling, you need to reimplement things like:

URLs (you need to manually push every "fake page" into the url using the history API or fragment identifiers, and scroll to the right one again when you load the page)
Scroll bars (since there is no "scrollbar API" you need to implement something to show your actual position in the actual content, like this monstrosity on the lower right here)
Scrolling to the top/bottom.
Searching (intercept ctrl+F, write your own UI, send requests to the server...)
Caching. By which I mean, making sure the stuff you already have won't disappear when you lose your internet connection (I've seen some websites that did that, error loading new stuff -> let's delete everything we have and show an error).

Any minor mistake in one of those steps (including implementation-dependant things) and you'll have an annoying bug. Oh, and make sure you test it in all browsers (because fancy newfangled stuff might not work in some of them), including future browsers (i.e. you'll have to maintain the thing for several items). And in the end, you have a product that hopefully works better than a plain old static page, took you 10 times longer to make and doesn't work at all in old browsers or devices.

By the way, just found one of those bugs: in Chrome, try to ctrl+f and search for something. If you scroll to a different "page" while typing, the search bar suddenly disappears.

anonymous234

Also, obligatory xkcd:

morbiuswilters

@anonymous234 said:

obligatory xkcd

FYI, I used the "Denounce" button on you, bro.

El_Heffe

@apapadimoulis said:

I did. You said it was acceptable. Barely, but acceptable. Then the conversation turned to debating about markdown, endless scrolling, and .9 version numbers.

I've asked for help implementing a new forum, doing a data migration, all that for years. To date, no one has helped. Suggesting "oh just go set up phpbbs, and do a plug-in for X" is not helping. I hate PHP, linux, and all other tech things I don't know and understand. Especially if they don't come with a completely intuitive GUI that I can click through, or require reading any instructions. Fuck that.

OK. I understand now. Everyone told you Discourse sucks but because one or two people said it was "barely acceptable" you're going to run with that. Oh, and it's all our fault, too.

I have to use enough broken, retarded software. I don't need any more.

dhromed

Quote-reply (a must-have handy feature) somehow breaks dragging the selected text.

https://meta.discourse.org/t/should-be-able-to-drag-highlighted-text-from-posts/15601

error

@morbiuswilters said:

Filed under: I actually can't eat at Taco Bell because hardly anything is vegetarian..

Tostada? Bean burrito?

Filed Under: [I actually can't eat at Taco Bell because everything has too many carbohydrates.](#tag), [I haven't had carbs in years :(](#tag)

morbiuswilters

@joe_edwards said:

Tostada? Bean burrito?
<hr>Filed Under: I actually can't eat at Taco Bell because everything has too many carbohydrates., I haven't had carbs in years :(

Carbs are awesome. You should like carbs. We are enemies now.

I mean, yeah, you can strip their foods of everything non-vegetarian, but at that point you're eating beans smeared on a piece of papyrus.

dhromed

@joe_edwards said:

I haven't had carbs in years

You don't digest food like earthly organisms do?

error

@dhromed said:

You don't digest food like earthly organisms do?

Basically meatitarian diet. No sugars, no starches, no flour, no fruit, no artificial sweeteners, some limited quantities vegetables. Cheese is OK. Lost tons of weight but there isn't much enjoyment in eating.

Basically my blood sugar level has to be too low for the ordinary metabolic process to work, so my body will instead use a process called ketosis.

I'm the healthiest I've ever been in my life, according to my most recent physical.

locallunatic

@joe_edwards said:

Basically my blood sugar level has to be too low for the ordinary metabolic process to work

Uh, but very low blood sugar leads to issues of cognition loss (like lack of memory formation, being generally confused, and lowered ability to communicate).

morbiuswilters

@locallunatic said:

Uh, but very low blood sugar leads to issues of cognition loss (like lack of memory formation, being generally confused, and lowered ability to communicate).

So no impact to posting to TDWTF is what you're saying..

morbiuswilters

@morbiuswilters, post:../../../clicks/track?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdemergence.com%2Fwtf%2Fintercoursed.js&topic_id=270, topic:270 said:

So no impact to posting to TDWTF is what you're saying..

Testing breaking shit

testit

e4tmyl33t

Not sure if its Discourse or Android Chrome that's doing it, but the first line or so of the reply box is cut off when I try to reply from my Nexus 7. Happens whether or not the keyboard is up, but having the keyboard up also causes the reply box to shunt up and cover most of the thread.

http://imgur.com/5KDIic1

Edit: Also seems that either the auto-converter for links either doesn't like imgur links or hates coming from mobile.

Mod: It was the capital H at the start doing it. Or you were level 0 at the time... [PJH]

error

@locallunatic said:

Uh, but very low blood sugar leads to issues of cognition loss (like lack of memory formation, being generally confused, and lowered ability to communicate).

I haven't experienced hypoglycemia. As I understand it, the body is able to convert some amino acids into necessary glucose.

Gluconeogenesis - Wikipedia

HardwareGeek

@morbiuswilters said:

Testing breaking shit

testit

Other than posting a link to a picture I don't really want to see (it has "stallman" in the URL), it doesn't look like you have succeeded in breaking anything, yet.

HardwareGeek

@e4tmyl33t said:

http://imgur.com/5KDIic1

The problem was the capital H in http; it didn't like that.

ETA: Hmm, it showed as a link for a fraction of a second, then it inlined the image.

AlexMedia

WTF is this shit? Are you seriously telling me that Intercourse is adding a new entry into my browser's history for every fucking post that I read?? And what's up with the scrolling? It's unusable.

And as I'm a new user, I'm not allowed to post images.

I hate the new forums already.

HardwareGeek

@AlexMedia said:

WTF is this shit? Are you seriously telling me that Intercourse is adding a new entry into my browser's history for every fucking post that I read?? And what's up with the scrolling? It's unusable.

And as I'm a new user, I'm not allowed to post images.

I hate the new forums already.

Welcome to the Brave New World.

morbiuswilters

@HardwareGeek said:

Other than posting a link to a picture I don't really want to see (it has "stallman" in the URL), it doesn't look like you have succeeded in breaking anything, yet.

Oh ye of little faith. Go back to that post and where it says "morbiuswilters said: So no impact..." and click my name.

HardwareGeek

@morbiuswilters said:

Oh ye of little faith. Go back to that post and where it says "morbiuswilters said: So no impact..." and click my name.

OK, but I did say "yet." You've edited your post two more times since I posted that.

morbiuswilters

@HardwareGeek said:

OK, but I did say "yet." You've edited your post two more times since I posted that.

I created a new thread to discuss the quality, quality programming of Intercourse: http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/less-than-24-hours-and-i-already-created-an-xss-exploit-for-intercourse/285

HardwareGeek

@morbiuswilters said:

I created a new thread

I know; I replied there, too.

e4tmyl33t

@HardwareGeek said:

The problem was the capital H in http; it didn't like that.

Ah, so a combination of Android Keyboard being anal and auto-capitalizing anything it thinks may be a new sentence and Discourse not picking up on that. Interesting.

lushr

As other people have mentioned Markdown, I wanted to give my opinion on it:
Markdown is one of the worst ideas spawned for markup languages ever. The reference is Perl code, with no canonical grammar or the like given, with no formalisms whatsoever, despite the existence of several that can express Markdown. The language itself, ignoring the stupid and idiotic spec, is weird and doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the first place, and isn't altogether that expressive, either.

Honestly, I would much rather use LaTeX or the like to write posts, instead of this atrocity.

blakeyrat

@apapadimoulis said:

I did. You said it was acceptable. Barely, but acceptable.

I'm too lazy to reread my post, but I'm pretty sure I said it's barely acceptable if the endless scrolling is removed and it works on mobile. But whatever.

Keep in mind, that was also after like 4-5 posts on their stupid demo site, and I wasn't aware of any of the bugs we've discovered in the last day on this piece of crap.

I'm still not 100% sure you genuinely think Discourse is a good product and weren't just trying to find something to match the WTF level of CS. If the latter, then kudos, you've succeeded.

@apapadimoulis said:

Suggesting "oh just go set up phpbbs, and do a plug-in for X" is not helping. I hate PHP, linux, and all other tech things I don't know and understand.

Right, but this one is in Linux and Ruby on Rails and is acceptable somehow? I keep reading these little nuggets, then getting confused as to how they filter out PhpBB but include Discourse.

@apapadimoulis said:

In the months it's been set-up, I've already seen some improvements.

Did it never occur to you to beta it with a select few users first? Or at least do some testing to make sure the invite emails 1) were sent, 2) included instructions on how to set up an account here.

I dunno man.

morbiuswilters

@blakeyrat said:

I dunno man.

I was hoping for a Blakerant about XSS vulnerabilities.

Mood: Disappointed.

mjmilan

For my part, I'm conflicted... I've been aware of Discourse for a while, and have been looking forward to having a chance to try it out on an actual board with actual members...

Everything takes a little getting used to, and such a shift away from the traditional BB format was always going to be something we would have to get accustomed to - personally, I don't think it's had it's full crack of the whip yet...

ben_lubar

@e4tmyl33t said:

Edit: Also seems that either the auto-converter for links either doesn't like imgur links or hates coming from mobile.

Well, there's no protocol named "Http". Try it like this:

http://imgur.com/5KDIic1

morbiuswilters

@ben_lubar said:

Well, there's no protocol named "Http".

Hey, it's Ben defending shitty software again. Thanks for being such a user-hating jackass, Ben!

apapadimoulis

@blakeyrat said:

apapadimoulis said:
Suggesting "oh just go set up phpbbs, and do a plug-in for X" is not helping. I hate PHP, linux, and all other tech things I don't know and understand.

Right, but this one is in Linux and Ruby on Rails and is acceptable somehow? I keep reading these little nuggets, then getting confused as to how they filter out PhpBB but include Discourse.

I'm friends with the Discourse guys, I believe in them, and all that... plus they also helped set this site up. I don't know anyone at PhpBB... shit I don't even know what phpBB is except for a BB written in PHP that's been around forever. I probably used it once or twice, and I think I hated it.

I'll note that I also knew and believed in what's his face who started telligent, and we see how that turned out. But to be fair, I'm much wiser now.

@blakeyrat said:

Did it never occur to you to beta it with a select few users first? Or at least do some testing to make sure the invite emails 1) were sent, 2) included instructions on how to set up an account here.

Yes. And you're the beta tester.

blakeyrat

@apapadimoulis said:

Yes. And you're the beta tester.

So this is... what? Not live to everyone? Now I'm just confused.

ben_lubar

With all the gaming you do, I'd think you'd know about the concept of an "open beta".

morbiuswilters

@ben_lubar said:

"open beta"

YOUR MOM.

Okay, that was juvenile, even by my standards..

Mo6eB

I'm with you. How the fuck did Alex manage to find something worse than Community Server.

What is this "likes" bullshit? THIS IS NOT FACEBOOK! I come here specifically because it is not facebook! Why is the layout so shit? How will we signature guy? Can I upload an image? Oh cool I can.

Still, fuck this social bullshit in the reverse end.

blakeyrat

@ben_lubar said:

With all the gaming you do, I'd think you'd know about the concept of an "open beta".

Things that are open betas usually have the word "beta" on them somewhere. And the email invitation to them says clearly that they are beta.

Alex's post here is the first time I've heard of this being a beta. And I still don't know the implications of that-- does that mean these posts will be wiped? Does it mean only a limited set of DailyWTF posters were invited here? What does that mean exactly?

And for God's sake, Ben-- you or someone else with goddamned Ruby on Rails and GitHub experience patch the goddamned "preview pane doesn't autoscroll" bug because holy bejeezus that's annoying.

Mo6eB

OH HOLY MOTHER OF FUCK IT HAS GRAVATAR INTEGRATION.

Ｉ　ＷＡＮＴ　ＯＵＴ！

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PhpBB? Seriously?

The actual founders of the project are here interacting with you and listening to your feedback.

Wait wait hold on. Guys, I just got a message from the PHPBB devs and they told me to relay it to you, because they care deeply about you, this forum, and your happiness. Here it is:

;)

Here at Discourse, we actually pretend to care about you "users" and your "needs". Your happiness is job.. #45:

play Battlefield 4

pay our taxes

listen to user feedback

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Several times we've attacked a piece of software and gotten the author to come defend himself, but this is the first time said author has brought real snark.

I approve.

blakeyrat

@joe_edwards said:

Several times we've attacked a piece of software and gotten the author to come defend himself, but this is the first time said author has brought real snark.

I approve.

I'd rather have a working scrollbar.

sam

@blakeyrat said:

I'd rather have a working scrollbar.

Careful what you wish for:

http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5343

Mo6eB

@codinghorror said:

PhpBB? Seriously?

<img src="/uploads/default/65/83eaf948e62f1d11.jpg" width="400" height="368">

The actual founders of the project are here interacting with you and listening to your feedback.

Wait wait hold on. Guys, I just got a message from the PHPBB devs and they told me to relay it to you, because they care deeply about you, this forum, and your happiness. Here it is:

<img src="/uploads/default/66/9c3157ed9828eef3.gif" width="500" height="327">

;)

Here at Discourse, we actually pretend to care about you "users" and your "needs". Your happiness is job.. #45:

> 43) play Battlefield 4
> 44) pay our taxes
> 45) listen to user feedback

Well then

Disable endless scrolling
Give us signatures
Fix this fucking broken rendering seriously, why do I need to write custom CSS to fix your shit in the year of our lady 3180 click here to read my post in the other thread because now I can't upload images for some reason
Listen to everything Blakeyrat says, he's right about every single thing all the time
I like PHPbb's attitude, since their forum software is already finished and if they started listening to boneheaded chucklefucks and shoehorning semantic desktop search and wobbly windows and endless scrolling and shit while pretending to "listen to our users :^)" it would actually become worse
Just give us something that looks like PHPbb
Or at least the option to remove this likes bullshit
And the endless scrolling has to go
I mean seriously, why. WHY THE FUCK. Who thought endless scrolling is good?
PAGES. They're called web pages, I want them paged.
I mean, at least find a way to make the scroll reflect reality.
Maybe, like, put in a table with explicitly sized cells
Or the option to load the entire thread each time
Because right now everything past 50 posts is dead
Who in their right mind would endure the fuckslow scrolling where you need to
Wait for each new scrollbar-worth of posts to load before
You can scroll to the rest of the posts
Ultimately making it harder to reach the last page of posts
Which is really what you want when you want to jump in a discussion
That has been going for 90+ posts.

post scriptum

I don't know what the etiquette for quoting here is (top or bottom), so I'm including your post again to be both top- and bottom-quoting compliant.

@codinghorror said:

PhpBB? Seriously?

<img src="/uploads/default/65/83eaf948e62f1d11.jpg" width="400" height="368">

The actual founders of the project are here interacting with you and listening to your feedback.

Wait wait hold on. Guys, I just got a message from the PHPBB devs and they told me to relay it to you, because they care deeply about you, this forum, and your happiness. Here it is:

<img src="/uploads/default/66/9c3157ed9828eef3.gif" width="500" height="327">

;)

Here at Discourse, we actually pretend to care about you "users" and your "needs". Your happiness is job.. #45:

> 43) play Battlefield 4
> 44) pay our taxes
> 45) listen to user feedback

Gravatar also has to go

blakeyrat

Hey since this forum software is so "intuitive", I have a dumb question: how do I get the damned thing to show me threads that I haven't read all the way?

At first I thought the grey/black division in the list of threads was that (black = unread posts, grey = all read), but now I see there's a ton of grey threads that have new posts in them... huh?

I can easily get it to display entire threads I haven't seen before, but I just want it to show me threads that have posts I haven't seen before. And again: even Community Server got this one right.

... going to bed for real.

Mo6eB

@Mo6eB said:

Well then

Disable endless scrolling

Give us signatures

Fix this fucking broken rendering seriously, why do I need to write custom CSS to fix your shit in the year of our lady 3180 click here to read my post in the other thread because now I can't upload images for some reason

Listen to everything Blakeyrat says, he's right about every single thing all the time

I like PHPbb's attitude, since their forum software is already finished and if they started listening to boneheaded chucklefucks and shoehorning semantic desktop search and wobbly windows and endless scrolling and shit while pretending to "listen to our users :^)" it would actually become worse

Just give us something that looks like PHPbb

Or at least the option to remove this likes bullshit

And the endless scrolling has to go

I mean seriously, why. WHY THE FUCK. Who thought endless scrolling is good?

PAGES. They're called web pages, I want them paged.

I mean, at least find a way to make the scroll reflect reality.

Maybe, like, put in a table with explicitly sized cells

Or the option to load the entire thread each time

Because right now everything past 50 posts is dead

Who in their right mind would endure the fuckslow scrolling where you need to

Wait for each new scrollbar-worth of posts to load before

You can scroll to the rest of the posts

Ultimately making it harder to reach the last page of posts

Which is really what you want when you want to jump in a discussion

That has been going for 90+ posts.

post scriptum

I don't know what the etiquette for quoting here is (top or bottom), so I'm including your post again to be both top- and bottom-quoting compliant.

@codinghorror said:
PhpBB? Seriously?

<img src="/uploads/default/65/83eaf948e62f1d11.jpg" width="400" height="368">

The actual founders of the project are here interacting with you and listening to your feedback.

Wait wait hold on. Guys, I just got a message from the PHPBB devs and they told me to relay it to you, because they care deeply about you, this forum, and your happiness. Here it is:

<img src="/uploads/default/66/9c3157ed9828eef3.gif" width="500" height="327">

;)

Here at Discourse, we actually pretend to care about you "users" and your "needs". Your happiness is job.. #45:

> 43) play Battlefield 4
> 44) pay our taxes
> 45) listen to user feedback

Gravatar also has to go

Post Post Scriptum

I really mean the part about listening to Blakeyrat