Ben L's been posting to Quora



  • Google's programming language, Go, seems to be the most modern and well-featured language in existence today. Is that the case, or are there major drawbacks that I'm not seeing?

    The answers are actually quite balanced and good:

    @Tikhon Jelvis said:

    Most modern and well-featured? Hah! It's hard to tell it wasn't design 30 years ago. Go completely ignores most recent advances in programming languages in order to seem more similar to C. Charming.



  • The lack of type safety is a deal breaker for me. The compiler catching silly typos is a mission critical feature.






  • @El_Heffe said:

    Filed under: Note to Quora - Fuck You

    Yep, that's as far as I got, too. Even making fun of Go isn't worth that.



  • Funny. That popup had a "close and read first answer" link for me.



  • @mikeTheLiar said:

    Funny. That popup had a "close and read first answer" link for me.
    It's in the screen shot I posted.  And if you click on it that's what you get -- you get to read the first answer, which is long and rambling and appears to be written by a crazy person (Erlang? Haskell? Right!).



  • The RealWTF is that I have a Quora account tied to Twitter, which apparently they don't allow anymore for new accounts. Weird.

    Sorry for the bum link.



  • I've started working Go into conversations as a good way to see if someone is crazy. Because you'll be talking to a totally-normal-seeming fellow, but it's hard to tell how sane he is. So I'll try to work something like "Have you ever heard of 'Go'? The language that Google invented. I... dunno, it really looks like a mess." The ambiguity in the last sentence will leave an opening for even the most-timid Go fan to jump to its defense. Answers can then be scored as follows:

    "Huh? Go? What's that?" -- Indicates a sane, well-adjusted human being.

    "Go? Oh God, what a fucking idiotic pile of shit. The developers should be in a Turkish prison!" -- Person is somewhat crazy, but at least they aren't so completely detached from reality that they think Go is cool.

    "Oh, I don't think it's bad. It's really a clever solution to memory-managed system programming. Actually, here, let me show you my GitHub.." -- You are in peril. Do not panic. Do not contradict the Go fanatic, but do not engage him, either. You may think you can get out by making an excuse like "Uh, I actually have to run because my kid is dying.." but that will only elicit a "Just one sec, I want to show you how interfaces work.." because the Go user lacks human empathy or understanding. Your best bet at survival is to make the Go-phile leave of his own accord. Start talking about how much you like C#--nothing is going to turn the Go user off faster than hearing you speak favourably of a M$ product. "A graphical debugging environment, extensive library support and actual object-oriented programming? This person is unhinged," he will think, which is exactly how you will make it out. It's how you are going to live.



  • @El_Heffe said:

    It's in the screen shot I posted. 

    Indeed it is. I guess my eyeballs decided to stop working for a second there.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Actually, here, let me show you my GitHub.
    "Would you like to come in for a drink? I'll show you my GitHub."@morbiuswilters said:
    Do not contradict the Go fanatic, but do not engage him, either.
    I disagree. ROE permit engaging the enemy with deadly force in this situation.



  • @El_Heffe said:

    @mikeTheLiar said:

    Funny. That popup had a "close and read first answer" link for me.
    It's in the screen shot I posted.  And if you click on it that's what you get -- you get to read the first answer, which is long and rambling and appears to be written by a crazy person (Erlang? Haskell? Right!).

    I missed that at first, but it doesn't appear I missed much.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Answers can then be scored as follows:
    What about those of us who go “What, that language that rehashes stuff known for 30 years again?” Though I suppose the point is a bit blunted by following that up with a diatribe about kids who need to get off my lawn.



  • I would never go on Quora. Quora is awful.



  • I know it sucks to have to sign in, but I'm sure they have their reasons.

    They say that "We require that people join because many of those who join like the
    service and end up contributing back to Quora, which makes it better for everyone."

    Sure, the users might dislilke it, but imagine what happens when someone decides to



  • @dkf said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    Answers can then be scored as follows:
    What about those of us who go “What, that language that rehashes stuff known for 30 years again?” Though I suppose the point is a bit blunted by following that up with a diatribe about kids who need to get off my lawn.

    This is a subset of Go Personality Type #2:

    @Dr. Wilters' Diagnostic Manual for the Programming Insane said:

    "Go? Oh God, what a fucking idiotic pile of shit. The developers should be in a Turkish prison!" -- Person is somewhat crazy, but at least they aren't so completely detached from reality that they think Go is cool.

    Basically, you're heard of Go, so your mind is tainted, but at least you realize it sucks, so with a little hope and a lot of electroshock therapy, you might one day be able to be reintegrated with society.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    I know it sucks to have to sign in, but I'm sure they have their reasons.

    They say that "We require that people join because many of those who join like the
    service and end up contributing back to Quora, which makes it better for everyone."

    In this age of "social media" Quora appears to be blazing a new trail.  Anti-Social media.  Don't want to sign up?  Then Get The Fuck Out.

     



  • @El_Heffe said:

    In this age of "social media" Quora appears to be blazing a new trail.  Anti-Social media.  Don't want to sign up?  Then Get The Fuck Out.


    Oh, this is all screwed up..


    There, that's better!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @El_Heffe said:
    In this age of "social media" Quora appears to be blazing a new trail.  Anti-Social media.  Don't want to sign up?  Then Get The Fuck Out.


    Oh, this is all screwed up..


    There, that's better!


    Quoted for Good Post Award.



  • @Ben L. said:

    Quoted for Good Post Award.

    Do people your age get the reference? I mean, for pretty much the entire time you've been cognizant of its existence, The Simpsons has been awful.

    Man, that is depressing. We're nearly to the point where we'll have kids driving cars who have always lived in a world where The Simpsons was on TV, but never in a world where it was good.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @Ben L. said:
    Quoted for Good Post Award.

    Do people your age get the reference? I mean, for pretty much the entire time you've been cognizant of its existence, The Simpsons has been awful.

    Man, that is depressing. We're nearly to the point where we'll have kids driving cars who have always lived in a world where The Simpsons was on TV, but never in a world where it was good.

    Anyone under the age of 25 has never lived in a world where the Simpsons weren't on TV.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    We're nearly to the point where we'll have kids driving cars who have always lived in a world where The Simpsons was on TV, but never in a world where it was good.
    Anyone under 18 has never lived in a world without South Park.

    Married...with Children has only been on in syndication.

    And Ellen Degeneres has always been "out".



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Man, that is depressing. We're nearly to the point where we'll have kids driving cars who have always lived in a world where The Simpsons was on TV, but never in a world where it was good.
     

    Holy

    Fucking

    Shit.

    Morbs, you have opened my eyes.  From now on, we must build in an anti-logans-run thingy into everyone's palm!



  • @El_Heffe said:

    Anyone under the age of 25 has never lived in a world where the Simpsons weren't on TV.

    True, but it was good for the first nine-ish years. I'll be generous and put the cut-off around 1999 or 2000. That means there are people in their early teens for whom not only has The Simpsons always been on the air, but it's only ever been shitty. For those same people, the World Trade Center has only ever existed in media artifacts, and not as a real, tangible thing.



  • OMG, how'd you make your new avatar, I love it!  Though, obviusly, I'd be agreeing with Blakey more than not...



  • @mahlerrd said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Man, that is depressing. We're nearly to the point where we'll have kids driving cars who have always lived in a world where The Simpsons was on TV, but never in a world where it was good.
     

    Holy

    Fucking

    Shit.

    Morbs, you have opened my eyes.  From now on, we must build in an anti-logans-run thingy into everyone's palm!

    First we might want to focus on stopping Matt Groening. At this point, all that remains of The Simpsons' corpse is a rancid, black treacle that he continues to thrust his flabby, sweaty flesh into because he still hears a couple of coins jingling around in there.



  • @mahlerrd said:

    OMG, how'd you make your new avatar, I love it!  Though, obviusly, I'd be agreeing with Blakey more than not...

    It's a hack because Community Server is awful. I actually did it about a year ago but decided to revive it for a few days as a last hurrah before TDWTF makes the move to Intercourse and CS is no more.



  • @da Doctah said:

    Anyone under 18 has never lived in a world without South Park.

    I first saw South Park in middle school. I was not in love with it, and it took years before I appreciated it.

    I was six or so when I first saw The Simpsons. A lot of people at my church were going on about how it taught kids to be disrespectful and it was a sign of the unraveling of decent society. This only served to tempt my parents into watching it. Turns out we all loved it and it became a family staple.

    @da Doctah said:

    Married...with Children has only been on in syndication.

    I was not allowed to watch that show.

    @da Doctah said:

    And Ellen Degeneres has always been "out".

    And if you're under the age of 57, Ellen Degeneres have never been anything more than a tedious, unfunny, attention-starved jackass.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I first saw South Park in middle school. I was not in love with it, and it took years before I appreciated it.
     

    One of the few things I can gloat on:  I saw south park as a Jesus vs. Santa video (that took us more than an hour to download) while starting the computer club at college in... 96?  Something near there.

     



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    And if you're under the age of 190, Ellen Degeneres have never been anything more than a tedious, unfunny, attention-starved jackass.
     

    FTFY

     



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @Ben L. said:
    Quoted for Good Post Award.

    Do people your age get the reference? I mean, for pretty much the entire time you've been cognizant of its existence, The Simpsons has been awful.

    Man, that is depressing. We're nearly to the point where we'll have kids driving cars who have always lived in a world where The Simpsons was on TV, but never in a world where it was good.

    It was actually a reference to PbtC Strong Bad's line in "strong badathlon" which is a reference to Strong Mad's line in "Pumpkin Carve-nival".



  • @Ben L. said:

    It was actually a reference to...

    I meant the reference I made.

    @Ben L. said:

    PbtC Strong Bad's line in "strong badathlon" which is a reference to Strong Mad's line in "Pumpkin Carve-nival".

    Mods, he's speaking lojban again! Make him stop!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    The Simpsons has been awful.
     

    It never was as good as his books, anyway.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    a tedious, unfunny, attention-starved jackass.
     

    WARNING: Ambiguous reference in context "talk_show_host"



  • @oheso said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    The Simpsons has been awful.
     

    It never was as good as his books, anyway.

    You are a bad person.



  • @Ben L. said:

    It was actually a reference to PbtC Strong Bad's line in "strong badathlon" which is a reference to Strong Mad's line in "Pumpkin Carve-nival".
    Great, Homestuck Runner.
    2004 called, they want their Flash cartoon back. And yes, I did warn them about the global economic crisis, but they wouldn't listen!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    You are a bad person.
     

    It's taken you how long to figure this out?

     



  • @drurowin said:

    2004 called, they want their Flash cartoon back.

    "Hi, Mr. Drurowin? This is the Year 1996, from Citibank. You may remember that we underwrote a loan for you for a joke template... yes, I believe it was a 'such-and-such year called and they want their such-and-such back' model. Well according to our records, Mr. drurowin, your account with us is severely delinquent; it says here you haven't made a payment in months.. right..... yeah..... well, I'm sure furry costumes and a dilapidated walk-up hovel in Milton Berle are expensive..... well, no, I've never had to pay a dry cleaner to remove 'yiffing' stains......

    Mr. drurowin, you seem like a smart man, so I'm going to cut to the chase: we are going to need you to get current on your balance, or else we will have initiate foreclosure proceedings on your 'such-and-such year called' joke. As you probably know, something like that on your credit record could destroy your dreams, dreams like: home ownership; boat ownership; or in your case, a slightly-less-soiled kitsune outfit. Mr. drurowin, you're a young man, with a bright future ahead of yo---well, you're a young man, and you don't want a black mark like this on your history, do you? We're giving you one last chance to bring your account to good standing by the end of the month, and then we are going to retake possession of our joke."

    @drurowin said:

    And yes, I did warn them about the global economic crisis, but they wouldn't listen!

    Why would they care? They got to live through the "reckless spending" phase; we're the ones who have to live through the "prolonged economic depression" phase.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @da Doctah said:
    And Ellen Degeneres has always been "out".

    And if you're under the age of 57, Ellen Degeneres have never been anything more than a tedious, unfunny, attention-starved jackass.

    I'm not much under, but I am under.  And she was pretty freaking funny on the show "Open House", where she played the wacky secretary.

    Before that, in 1982, she was "the Funniest Person in America".  That's official.  Showtime had a contest to pick the person they'd bestow that title upon, and she won it.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @drurowin said:
    2004 called, they want their Flash cartoon back.

    "Hi, Mr. Drurowin? This is the Year 1996, from Citibank. You may remember that we underwrote a loan for you for a joke template... yes, I believe it was a 'such-and-such year called and they want their such-and-such back' model. Well according to our records, Mr. drurowin, your account with us is severely delinquent; it says here you haven't made a payment in months.. right..... yeah..... well, I'm sure furry costumes and a dilapidated walk-up hovel in Milton Berle are expensive..... well, no, I've never had to pay a dry cleaner to remove 'yiffing' stains......"

    "Do your worst. Citigroup is an American company, you'd have to initiate proceedings in a UK Crown Court, and the debt collection system works very differently here. I've got your money, do your best to get it back." click



  • @drurowin said:

    "Do your worst. Citigroup is an American company, you'd have to initiate proceedings in a UK Crown Court, and the debt collection system works very differently here. I've got your money, do your best to get it back." click

    "Well, we could kidnap him and beat it out of him, but the guy's a furry. I mean, Christ, what can we do to him that life hasn't already done?"

    Actually, I bet reclaiming a debt in the UK is as easy--if not easier--than here. In the courts, that is. In some US states, lienholders have broad self-help remedies (in other words, if you're delinquent and they can nick it without causing a fuss, they can.) In other US states they pretty much can only go through courts. Do you guys even have self-help repossession?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Actually, I bet reclaiming a debt in the UK is as easy--if not easier--than here. In the courts, that is. In some US states, lienholders have broad self-help remedies (in other words, if you're delinquent and they can nick it without causing a fuss, they can.) In other US states they pretty much can only go through courts. Do you guys even have self-help repossession?
    It's against a private person, so everything's closely regulated. Since it would seem that no evidence of the debt being real was produced within a reasonable time, the unenforceable credit agreement regulations would apply and turn most of what they can do into pure bluster. In particular, they'd have no ability to get a court order, seize goods or property, or to get bailiffs to act on their behalf, and trying to enter onto the property in order to seize anything to clear the debt (as opposed to posting an unkind letter) would likely count as criminal trespass (and taking stuff off the person would be assault and/or robbery).

    They could take him to court, but the way costs are calculated in the UK (and who pays them) is quite different to in the US (the real astronomical legal costs stuff only happens when you've got two ex-pat Russian oligarchs fighting it out. In that case, everyone else wins!) so it wouldn't be nearly as catastrophic as if it was done in the US.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    For those same people, the World Trade Center has only ever existed in media artifacts, and not as a real, tangible thing.
    I've never been to NY, so to me the WTC has always been a media artifact, as you call it. But I do remember it being famous for being "the actual tallest building in the world, although everyone thinks it's the Empire State Building". (I don't think anyone around these parts ever heard about the Sears Tower).



  • @Zecc said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    For those same people, the World Trade Center has only ever existed in media artifacts, and not as a real, tangible thing.
    I've never been to NY, so to me the WTC has always been a media artifact, as you call it. But I do remember it being famous for being "the actual tallest building in the world, although everyone thinks it's the Empire State Building". (I don't think anyone around these parts ever heard about the Sears Tower).

    That's true for me, too (I was only 16 when they were destroyed.) My point is, prior to that, it was a real thing. I could go there, see the buildings, touch them. For young'uns, that simply isn't the case. It's fascinating and a little mind-blowing to see something move from real to "recent history" (i.e. no longer real, but everyone alive lived when it was real) to history (where ever-increasing numbers of people have no connection to the tangible thing at all and they only experience it through other's memories.)



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @Zecc said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    For those same people, the World Trade Center has only ever existed in media artifacts, and not as a real, tangible thing.
    I've never been to NY, so to me the WTC has always been a media artifact, as you call it. But I do remember it being famous for being "the actual tallest building in the world, although everyone thinks it's the Empire State Building". (I don't think anyone around these parts ever heard about the Sears Tower).

    That's true for me, too (I was only 16 when they were destroyed.) My point is, prior to that, it was a real thing. I could go there, see the buildings, touch them. For young'uns, that simply isn't the case. It's fascinating and a little mind-blowing to see something move from real to "recent history" (i.e. no longer real, but everyone alive lived when it was real) to history (where ever-increasing numbers of people have no connection to the tangible thing at all and they only experience it through other's memories.)


    Yeah, it's a mind fuck. I was 12* when I visited the towers, 14 when they went down. I still have a glass apple paperweight that I bought on the observation deck, somewhere.




    I did not live in MA** when I was 12. We had traveled from many miles away to visit an old friend of my dad. We were total tourists.




    **Also a massive mindfuck - today is the 1 year anniversary of the Boston lockdown. I'm probably providing a little too much PID here, but Tamerlan Tsarnaev died less than a three minute walk from where I'm sitting right now. Fuck. I need another drink.



  • @mikeTheLiar said:

    **Also a massive mindfuck - today is the 1 year anniversary of the Boston lockdown.
    And the 19-year anniversary of the Murrah Building bombing in Oklahoma City, and the 21-year anniversary of the Branch Davidian massacre in Waco.

    It's shaping up as a competitor to April 15th as a day on which bad things happen: Lincoln's assassination, the sinking of the Titanic, and filing your income taxes.



  • @da Doctah said:

    @mikeTheLiar said:

    **Also a massive mindfuck - today is the 1 year anniversary of the Boston lockdown.
    And the 19-year anniversary of the Murrah Building bombing in Oklahoma City, and the 21-year anniversary of the Branch Davidian massacre in Waco.

    It's shaping up as a competitor to April 15th as a day on which bad things happen: Lincoln's assassination, the sinking of the Titanic, and filing your income taxes.

    Thankfully tomorrow we can all relax and enjoy a nice Hitler's Birthday.



  • @mikeTheLiar said:

    14 when they went down.

    What the.. you're younger than me?

    @mikeTheLiar said:

    **Also a massive mindfuck - today is the 1 year anniversary of the Boston lockdown.

    Yay, un-Constitutional, door-to-door searches!

    @mikeTheLiar said:

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev died less than a three minute walk from where I'm sitting right now.

    You're at the CIA safehouse in Nevada where they shot him in the back so he could never reveal what he knew about their false flag?



  • @mikeTheLiar said:

    today is the 1 year anniversary of the Boston lockdown
    Speaking of Boston, April 20 is the day that Fenway Park first opened.  On Hitler's Birthday.



  • @da Doctah said:

    And the 19-year anniversary of the Murrah Building bombing in Oklahoma City, and the 21-year anniversary of the Branch Davidian massacre in Waco.

    And they aren't unrelated, McVeigh did it as retribution for Waco. Which I understand, except he didn't kill the people responsible and instead just murdered a bunch of clerks, civilians and children.

    In happier news, 239 years ago today Lexington and Concord saw the first shots in the American Revolution and the first British fatalities.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @mikeTheLiar said:
    **Also a massive mindfuck - today is the 1 year anniversary of the Boston lockdown.

    Yay, un-Constitutional, door-to-door searches!

    So you're in favor of a known dangerous terrorist getting to go free vs having to open your home up so the police can check everything's in order? No wonder America's fucked.


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