I sure hope Mozilla doesn't hire this guy



  • Intended for Photoshop (which is insane enough) this would be the prefect compliment to the newly redeigned Firefox.

    Sorin Neica has created the “Keyboard-S,”
    a massive, 319-key keyboard the size of a placemat. Neica says that 372
    of the most common tools, filters and functions have been hardwired
    into 299 of the keys. In addition, there are 20 customizable keys.

    “Now the Photoshop and other editing programs will be very simple for everyone!” Neica’s Kickstarter reads. “You have everything under your eyes! In order to find very fast the tool, the function, the filter you need, we put them in different groups of colors, so that became very intuitive.

    Very Intuitive.




     



  • Was that the guy who made the Open Office mouse also? Certainly seems like the same kind of thinking.

    But you know he's legit because look he has an Apple external trackpad, one of those 3D puck controllers (I think?), and very stylish speakers. EDIT: AND a traditional mouse, man this guy's in pointing-device heaven!



  • It looks like a hardware version of Microsoft Word.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Was that the guy who made the Open Office mouse also? Certainly seems like the same kind of thinking.

    But you know he's legit because look he has an Apple external trackpad, one of those 3D puck controllers (I think?), and very stylish speakers. EDIT: AND a traditional mouse, man this guy's in pointing-device heaven!

     

     I think that "puck" is the speaker volume control.

     



  • What's wrong with this? All he's doing is moving all the menus and windows that you'd have covering the screenspace into an external device so you can have a clear screen and not need to flip through a bunch of menus to get to the function you are looking for.

    Hell, I'd think blakeyrat would be all over this since he's constantly complaining about how much command line tools force you to memorize keyboard shortcuts.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    one of those 3D puck controllers (I think?)
    The original hockey puck controller was on Sun workstations IIRC (or was it IRIX? It's many years since I used either). I used one briefly, and it was about as ergonomic as using a real hockey puck; I switched to a more normal mouse as soon as I could find/scrounge a replacement.

    I have used a real 3D mouse since. Absolutely hated it. Heavy, unintuitive, insensitive, power hungry too.



  •  What, no foot pedals?



  • @barfoo said:

     What, no foot pedals?

    Why not throw in the whole drum set while we're at it? Hell, and there I was, thinking that 101 keys would be enough for everybody.



  • Remember this thing? I really wish it had gone somewhere:

    Yes, you can emulate it with a tablet or touchscreen, but it's not the same as actual keys.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    @barfoo said:

     What, no foot pedals?

    Why not throw in the whole drum set while we're at it?

     



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Remember this thing? I really wish it had gone somewhere:

    Yes, you can emulate it with a tablet or touchscreen, but it's not the same as actual keys.

    Those are Cherry ML switches. You may consider this a blessing or a curse; a lot of people complain about off-angle binding with those (the wider key spacing won't help here), and they're pretty scratchy, (although I'm one of the few people who quite likes ML switches). Some lube should sort that out …

    The Optimus Maximus did go into production, by the way.



  • @El_Heffe said:

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    @barfoo said:

     What, no foot pedals?

    Why not throw in the whole drum set while we're at it?

     

    Needs more cowbell.



  • @Daniel Beardsmore said:

    @anonymous234 said:
    Remember this thing? I really wish it had gone somewhere:

    Yes, you can emulate it with a tablet or touchscreen, but it's not the same as actual keys.

    Those are Cherry ML switches. You may consider this a blessing or a curse; a lot of people complain about off-angle binding with those (the wider key spacing won't help here), and they're pretty scratchy, (although I'm one of the few people who quite likes ML switches). Some lube should sort that out …

    Dhromed-purple-dildo-joke incoming in 3....2....1....



  • @DaveK said:

    Dhromed-purple-dildo-joke incoming in 3....2....1....
     

    I've grown since those times.



  • @dhromed said:

    @DaveK said:

    Dhromed-purple-dildo-joke incoming in 3....2....1....
     

    I've grown since those times.

    I R DISAPPOINT



  • @dhromed said:

    @DaveK said:
    Dhromed-purple-dildo-joke incoming in 3....2....1....
    I've grown since those times.
     

    So has the dildo.

     



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    So has the dildo.
     

    Do you know the quirky game Nobi Nobi boy?



  • @Daniel Beardsmore said:

    @dhromed said:

    @DaveK said:

    Dhromed-purple-dildo-joke incoming in 3....2....1....
     

    I've grown since those times.

    I R DISAPPOINT

     

    No more Flappy Dild for you.

     


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    @anonymous234 said:

    Remember this thing? I really wish it had gone somewhere:

    Yes, you can emulate it with a tablet or touchscreen, but it's not the same as actual keys.

    I'm fairly certain Das Keyboard have had a mention on here recently...



  • @PJH said:

    I'm fairly certain Das Keyboard have had a mention on here recently...



     

     

    ONE PING ONLY.



  •  That reminds me of something...




  • @DaveK said:

    Needs more cowbell.


    More cowbell



  • @Snooder said:

    What's wrong with this? All he's doing is moving all the menus and windows that you'd have covering the screenspace into an external device so you can have a clear screen and not need to flip through a bunch of menus to get to the function you are looking for.

    What's right with it? Put the menus and windows on a second monitor and use your large flat horizontal surface for a pen input.

    In fact, you could probably save a few hundred dollars and get a cheap, non-shiny, non-Apple monitor and not worry about the deepness of the blacks and the brightness of the whites and the temperature of the colors since it'll only be used for a freaking tool palette.



  • @anotherusername said:

    What's right with it? Put the menus and windows on a second monitor and use your large flat horizontal surface for a pen input.

    Cintiq's start at like $2500. This gadget can probably beat that price easily.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @anotherusername said:
    What's right with it? Put the menus and windows on a second monitor and use your large flat horizontal surface for a pen input.

    Cintiq's start at like $2500. This gadget can probably beat that price easily.

    Sorry, I wasn't clear: this would by no means replace the pen input. You'd still need your pen input device, you'd just have no place to put it because this big-ass keyboard is taking up your entire desk.


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    @Snooder said:

    What's wrong with this?

    How about the fact that it's a big-ass input device designed to work exclusively with a single program. Awful lot of desk space to dedicate to a single program. Sure, you could argue that if you're thinking of purchasing this, you're spending 90-95% of you're computer time Photoshop. But then, as others have mentioned, there's no room on your desk for a pen input device, or a traditional keyboard. Hope you don't plan to do any typing. Or you just need an seperate system for word processing, web browsing and emails.



  •  And not to mention, look at how the derp guy is using it.



  •  @abarker said:

    @Snooder said:

    What's wrong with this?

    How about the fact that it's a big-ass input device designed to work exclusively with a single program. Awful lot of desk space to dedicate to a single program. Sure, you could argue that if you're thinking of purchasing this, you're spending 90-95% of you're computer time Photoshop. But then, as others have mentioned, there's no room on your desk for a pen input device, or a traditional keyboard. Hope you don't plan to do any typing. Or you just need an seperate system for word processing, web browsing and emails.



    There is a keyboard in that picture. It's hidden behind the guy's arm. There's also what appears to be a pen input device (that thing that blakey mistook for a trackpad). Most people (especially artists who work with photoshop) have plenty of desk space. Space on the monitor is a much bigger problem.

    Personally, I'd lay out the desk space a bit differently. Put the keyboard up front right next to the monitor stand, put a pen input device (didn't those used to be called tablets) in the center, and put this thing off to the side. But that's just me. Doesn't make the whole idea of this thing all that crazy.

    Maybe I'm just used to gaming keyboards with customizable macros, and this isn't much of a stretch from that.

     



  • @Snooder said:

    There's also what appears to be a pen input device (that thing that blakey mistook for a trackpad).
     

    That metal pad you're mistaking for a "pen input device" is a Mac trackpad. It's for your fingers, not a pen.

    @Snooder said:

    plenty of desk space.

    I don't have infinite reach with my arms, though.

     



  • @dhromed said:

     And not to mention, look at how the derp guy is using it.

    Yeah, I can bet that using a regular keyboard (which has a layout you already have in your muscle memory) will prove far more productive than hunting-and-pecking on this... thing. Besides, I really do fail to understand how a key on this... thing is any better than a key combination on a regular keyboard, but I've never used photoshop for anything more than taking zits off my face when I was 15.


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    @Snooder said:

    There's also what appears to be a pen input device (that thing that blakey mistook for a trackpad).
    It is a trackpad. It's an Apple Magic Trackpad.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    I can bet that using a regular keyboard (which has a layout you already have in your muscle memory) will prove far more productive than hunting-and-pecking on this..
     

    It depends on whether you've got it all memorized. It's not like the default Photoshop keys magically imprint themselves onto your mind. When you've rote learned some things, then as with all things, you can go faster.



  • @dhromed said:

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    I can bet that using a regular keyboard (which has a layout you already have in your muscle memory) will prove far more productive than hunting-and-pecking on this..
     

    It depends on whether you've got it all memorized. It's not like the default Photoshop keys magically imprint themselves onto your mind. When you've rote learned some things, then as with all things, you can go faster.

    Sure, but at least you know where the keys are, how to put your hands on the keyboard, etc. Where is the home row on that thing, even?

    And even if it doesn't lower your productivity, I don't see how it's improving it, unless TRWTF is Photoshop's shortcut layout (once again, not using this stuff). If you're a pro, you either already have or will have most of the useful keyboard shortcuts memorized, and if you're not a pro, you're definitely not going to shell out cash for this thing. I see it getting a maybe-not-so-niche market of those hipster graphic designers who think having a Mac makes them better at their job.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    Sure, but at least you know where the keys are, how to put your hands on the keyboard, etc. Where is the home row on that thing, even?
     

    Since keyboard shortcuts are not typing, these two devices are on equal footing.

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    If you're a pro, you either already have or will have most of the useful keyboard shortcuts memorized, and if you're not a pro, you're definitely not going to shell out cash for this thing.

    True.dat

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    who think having a Mac makes them better at their job

    oh fuck

     

     



  • @Daniel Beardsmore said:

    The Optimus Maximus did go into production, by the way.
    Seems to be absent from the store at the moment. Only the compact version is available.
    @PJH said:
    I'm fairly certain Das Keyboard have had a mention on here recently...
    I used Das II in the past (still have it), but I replaced it with this:
    TrulyErgonomic TECK-109



  • @PJH said:

    It is a trackpad. It's an Apple Magic Trackpad.

    I just love wireless I/O devices forrrr

     

     

     

     

    Ah, fresh batteries! Anyway, I was saying, I just love wireless I/O devices on my desktop!



  • @too_many_usernames said:

    @PJH said:

    It is a trackpad. It's an Apple Magic Trackpad.

    I just love wireless I/O devices forrrr

     

     

     

     

    Ah, fresh batteries! Anyway, I was saying, I just love wireless I/O devices on my desktop!


    I have a wireless mouse that has a combined charging+data wire with magnets and stuff. Basically it's a wired mouse, but I can unplug it and it still works.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @Ben L. said:

    Basically it's a wired mouse, but I can unplug it and it still works.
    BURN THE WITCH!



  • @El_Heffe said:

    The next step is to have the control pad configurable so it can be used with different applications, with a mechanism for changing what key arrangements and symbols are displayed.

    Then you migrate the control pad to your screen so it's not taking up valuable physical desktop space.

    And then make the screen touch-sensitive so you don't have to push the virtual keys with your mouse.

    Hey, wait just a freaking minute...!

     



  • @da Doctah said:

    @El_Heffe said:

    The next step is to have the control pad configurable so it can be used with different applications, with a mechanism for changing what key arrangements and symbols are displayed.

    Then you migrate the control pad to your screen so it's not taking up valuable physical desktop space.

    And then make the screen touch-sensitive so you don't have to push the virtual keys with your mouse.

    Hey, wait just a freaking minute...!

     

    FRIST



  • You mean you hope that the Mozilla doesn't hire him.



  • @too_many_usernames said:

    @PJH said:

    It is a trackpad. It's an Apple Magic Trackpad.

    I just love wireless I/O devices forrrr

     

     

     

     

    Ah, fresh batteries! Anyway, I was saying, I just love wireless I/O devices on my desktop!

    Logitech makes a "solar" keyboard now that actually runs on room lighting - if you can see it, it's charging. It's the only wireless input device I've ever been tempted by; friend of mine has one and she says it works really well.



  • @flabdablet said:

    Logitech makes a "solar" keyboard now that actually runs on room lighting - if you can see it, it's charging. It's the only wireless input device I've ever been tempted by; friend of mine has one and she says it works really well.

    I had one of those. It's only useful if you have a fairly bright room, since the software that tells you its power level is broken; either its generating more power than it uses and you're fine, or you have literally no reliable way of knowing when it's about to stop working.



  • @Salamander said:

    @flabdablet said:
    Logitech makes a "solar" keyboard now that actually runs on room lighting - if you can see it, it's charging. It's the only wireless input device I've ever been tempted by; friend of mine has one and she says it works really well.

    I had one of those. It's only useful if you have a fairly bright room, since the software that tells you its power level is broken; either its generating more power than it uses and you're fine, or you have literally no reliable way of knowing when it's about to stop working.

    For what it's worth, my friend uses hers in a living room that's lit rather less well than the average office, on a desk with a slide-out keyboard tray, so the keyboard spends most of its time in deep shadow. She never installed the optional software (I've advised her never to do that for commodity stuff like keyboards and mice and USB sticks and cameras) and she says the only time the keyboard has ever not worked is right after coming back from a three week holiday with the house locked up and curtains drawn. So I'm inclined to believe it usually generates more power than it uses.



  • That keyboard is fine, I have one of those since a couple of years and it has never been out of power, however I put it in a bright place from time to time as I mostly use it at night, my only complain is that external usb powered devices interfere with it producing some input lag(tried with pocket external hdd) which is annoying. Logitech makes nice hardware but the software is shit, Setpoint is a cesspool of wtfs.


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