Win8



  • So work has got me a win8 touchscreen laptop - the Lenovo Yoga 13... it has win8. The boss likes them so we can demo our software ‘professionally’ in tablet mode.

    I tried so hard to get used to it, it's crap in tablet mode and laptop mode.  I nearly always use laptop mode (why not when you have a keyboard with you).  I gave up and using classic shell to make the machine at least slightly productive.  Some of the spec on this machine are ok, the size and a decent res on the display.

    Recently I had to connect to a new building WiFi and there are a couple of different networks, so they need setting up to connect in the correct order and might as well delete that coffee shop I connected to once - that used to be easy in Win7.

    I had a quick Google and at best I can find Microsoft suggest to do it via the command line:
     http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/manage-wireless-network-profiles

    WTF - Blakey rat has now even lost his argument that windows had better productivity over Linux type OS..



  • @Helix said:

    WTF - Blakey rat has now even lost his argument that windows had better productivity over Linux type OS..
     

     

    I can't belive that is true in the first place after you get past the initial learning curve.



  • @Chame1eon said:

    @Helix said:

    WTF - Blakey rat has now even lost his argument that windows had better productivity over Linux type OS..
     

     

    I can't belive that is true in the first place after you get past the initial learning curve.

    It's not. Helix just hates the idea of actually learning new things, even when they're actually better (or at least equal) once you get used to them.



  • @Helix said:

    I had a quick Google and at best I can find Microsoft suggest to do it via the command line:
     http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/manage-wireless-network-profiles

    Almost. Actually, they say:

    Some tasks, such as deleting a profile, must be done at the command prompt.

    Um...wow. You'd think they could at least just hook Excel up.



  • @Helix said:

    Recently I had to connect to a new building WiFi and there are a couple of different networks, so they need setting up to connect in the correct order and might as well delete that coffee shop I connected to once - that used to be easy in Win7.

    And this is one of the reasons why I haven't "upgraded" to Windows 8 yet.

    It seems that every other version of Windows is trash.

    • Windows 3.1 - revolutionary for its time.
    • Windows 95 - some problems.
    • Windows 98 - pretty good.
    • Windows ME - useless and pointless.
    • Windows XP - great.
    • Windows Vista - worthless.
    • Windows 7 - nice.
    • Windows 8 - WHAAA????!!?!?!!!!??

    I have good hopes for Windows 9. 🙂



  • @Jedalyzer said:

    I have good hopes for Windows 9. 🙂


    I'm just hoping they don't go full derp and do away with the mouse and keyboard altogether. I can't imagine how hard it would be to use Excel on a pure touch interface.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @DescentJS said:

    Helix just hatesWindows users hate the idea of actually learning new things, even when they're actually better (or at least equal) once you get used to them.

    FTFY

    Actually, you can't blame Windows users for that given that people like blakeyrat have been telling them for years that they should be able to just use computers without learning anything.



  • @PedanticCurmudgeon said:

    @DescentJS said:
    Helix just hatesWindows users hate the idea of actually learning new things, even when they're actually better (or at least equal) once you get used to them.

    FTFY

    Actually, you can't blame Windows users for that given that people like blakeyrat have been telling them for years that they should be able to just use computers without learning anything.

    Nothing to do with users or learning this time. I *love* messing with different environments, and have so far tried (and usually enjoyed) most of what's available under the sun (only jwm and awesome remaining) and have used Win8 for about 3 months now (so you can't say I haven't given it a chance), but it's an utterly irredeemable piece of garbage. It's the exact opposite of a usable environment, implementing every functionality in the most dain bramaged way, and if it weren't for third-party hacks I would had been forced to remove it in order to be able to do my daily work. There's nothing to learn here, one can only grow slightly more numb to the constant punishment that is Win8, and some particular individuals seem to develop Stockholm syndrom that they start calling "having learned Win8". And yes, Linux is waaaay more usable in many scenarios (non-.Net development being one of them).


  • @DescentJS said:

    Helix just hates the idea of actually learning new things,
    This is the standard excuse used by shitty programmers to justify their shitty programs - "You just don't want to learn something new". @DescentJS said:
    even when they're actually better (or at least equal)
    If something is better, you've got a valid argument. It its the same, just different, then no. @DescentJS said:
    once you get used to them
    To me, that's a little like saying "getting punched on the face isn't so bad once you get used to it".

     



  •  I'm using windows atm becuase I have a few pieces of software I need for school that I don't want to try to force to work with wine if it is even possible, but command line Linux strikes me as something that would be dramatically more usable after you get used to it. It's just much more flexible.  Even if it didn't turn out to be just flat out faster, there seems to be a trend in Windows toward bigger and bigger icons with less information density, less configurability and less transparency.  They seem to try to implement everything in the most bloated and overly complicated way possible while still being less flexible.  I just find it annoying to use.  I once gave up reading log files on a netbook in Vista becuase it was just too slow and the screen space was too cramped with all of the extra panels.  I can't beleive it is possible make reading logs so ridiculously slow and awkward even with low end hardware. If they would have just started with a more flexible file format there would have at least been another way to do it.



  • @Helix's link said:

    Stop automatically connecting to a network that's out of range

     

     

    Not sure I'm reading this right, but Windows 8 seriously thinks 'I want to connect to this network but I can't see it. I'll try to connect to it anyway'?

     

    Regarding Linux, I've twice attempted to use Ubuntu, and twice given up. The first time I gave up after about two hours trying to get the computer's built-in wifi to work (a usb wifi adapter sort-of worked, but I needed that for another computer). The second time I somehow managed to make it fail to boot while trying to change screen resolution (though that may have been the fault of a particularly unusual monitor that wasn't sure of its own native resolution).

     



  • @jakjawagon said:

    Not sure I'm reading this right, but Windows 8 seriously thinks 'I want to connect to this network but I can't see it. I'll try to connect to it anyway'?
    Yes, that's been a feature for quite some time. I have my router configured to not broadcast its SSID. Here's a screen shot from Windows 7. I would assume Windows 8 has something similar.




  • @Jedalyzer said:

    And this is one of the reasons why I haven't "upgraded" to Windows 8 yet.

    It seems that every other version of Windows is trash.

    • Windows 3.1 - revolutionary for its time.
    • Windows 95 - some problems.
    • Windows 98 - pretty good.
    • Windows ME - useless and pointless.
    • Windows XP - great.
    • Windows Vista - worthless.
    • Windows 7 - nice.
    • Windows 8 - WHAAA????!!?!?!!!!??

     

    I have good hopes for Windows 9. 🙂

    I always like how people always omit versions of Windows. No Windows 98SE, no Windows 95OSR2? Why no Windows 2000?

    Also, people said the same thing when XP was released. They said XP sucked, and Windows ME sucked- and stuck Windows 2000 in between as the good version. Because if you need to space out the ones you don't like you can always shove in a few other Windows versions. to try to prove somepoint about how the new version is just following an established pattern that doesn't actually exist.

     



  • @DescentJS said:

    @Chame1eon said:

    @Helix said:

    WTF - Blakey rat has now even lost his argument that windows had better productivity over Linux type OS..
     

     

    I can't belive that is true in the first place after you get past the initial learning curve.

    It's not. Helix just hates the idea of actually learning new things, even when they're actually better (or at least equal) once you get used to them.

    I've always found it funny that so many "power users" who should be most adept at anticipating and accepting change in technology are often the ones most afraid of it. They'll upgrade to the new thing, but then agonize about changing everything so it's just like the old thing. They upgrade to XP and switch the theme back to the Windows 2000 flat grey, they get Windows 7 and turn on the "wide taskbar buttons", etc. Each iteration needs to be like the last iteration because "the last one was better", but they say that every iteration, so I guess they wind up finally giving it a chance each and every time.



  • @jakjawagon said:

    The second time I somehow managed to make it fail to boot while trying to change screen resolution (though that may have been the fault of a particularly unusual monitor that wasn't sure of its own native resolution).

    Nope, the monitor has nothing to do with it. That's like blaming your speakers for ubuntu breaking audio with another rushed update.



  • @Soviut said:

    @jakjawagon said:
    The second time I somehow managed to make it fail to boot while trying to change screen resolution (though that may have been the fault of a particularly unusual monitor that wasn't sure of its own native resolution).

    Nope, the monitor has nothing to do with it. That's like blaming your speakers for ubuntu breaking audio with another rushed update.

    Sure, if you had speakers with a digital connection that let you find out how large they are, what impedance they have, and how much power you need to send to them in order for sound to be audible. And then none of what it told you was actually correct.



  • When I started work in 1984 you turned on the computer, waited a few seconds for CP/M to load and then you typed the name of the program you wanted and it started running.

     In 2013 you turn on the computer, waited a "few" seconds for Windows 8 to load. Got to the screen of useless tiles, and then you typed the name of the program you wanted and it started running. 

    As the French put it.. Plus ca change plus la meme chose.

     

    My employer gave me a shiny,fast 6 core 16GB Windows 8 machine.  It is only ever  used to host a development Server 2008 VM . The keyboard and mouse are jammed out of reach into a bookshelf beside it. 

    Set the power profile to never turn off and get on with actually being able to use Windows 7 on my crippled old PC.

    Waiting for Windows 9 and the sacking of the Windows  marketing droids who have wrecked a fundamentally good OS by giving it a user experience which works great with hand waving at an X-Box with Kinect but is not any good for doing lots of things.


     



  • @El_Heffe said:

    My problem with "Connect automatically when this network is in range" being off, as I like it, is that when the connection drops Windows won't reconnect again automatically.
    Ok, that's what the option says; but I wish it meant "don't connect on startup, but when I tell you to connect keep the connection alive even if it means reconnecting, then when I tell you to disconnect stop connecting".

    Anyway, why the fuck did Microsoft stop selling Win7? I won't buy Win8 on principle, so they will be losing potential money if/when I get a new computer.



  • @jakjawagon said:

    Not sure I'm reading this right, but Windows 8 seriously thinks 'I want to connect to this network but I can't see it. I'll try to connect to it anyway'?
     

    Some people have funny ideas about security, like port knowcking, or changing the port of services... That option is there because of one of those funny ideas: hidden networks. Theory goes that if you don't anounce your network, hackers won't know it's there, so you are safe. The fact that this theory is completely false don't stop such kind of people, thus Windows has to support it.

     @jakjawagon said:

    Regarding Linux, I've twice attempted to use Ubuntu, and twice given up.

    Just a small secret: I mainly use Linux for more than 10 years... I was never able to get a fully working installation of Ubuntu.

     



  • @Zecc said:

    Anyway, why the fuck did Microsoft stop selling Win7?
    They did?  That's news to me.


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