Not even escalators?



  • I don't know about the iPhone, but it seems Ronald was right about Spain:

    In what will surely go down in history as one the greatest architectural blunders, the town of Benidorm in Alicante, Spain, had almost completed its 47-story skyscraper when it realized it excluded plans for elevator shafts.

    ...

    The initial backer of the project, Caixa Galicia, stopped paying workers for four months around the time it realized — after about 23 floors had been completed — that a service elevator hadn't been installed for the 41 workers who had been hauling materials up 23 flights of stairs.

    And you thought your job sucked because you couldn't buy a bigger monitor.

    Today InTempo has 94% of its structure completed and 35% of its apartments sold.

    Who in the hell are buying the apartments? Assuming that 35% of them aren't on the first floor.



  • @boomzilla said:

    Today InTempo has 94% of its structure completed and 35% of its apartments sold.

    Who in the hell are buying the apartments? Assuming that 35% of them aren't on the first floor.

    Well, 94% of 47 is about 44. 35% of 44 is about 15. That means they sold 15 apartments, or about half of this building.



  • Wait which is it? The elevator shafts don't exist, or a service elevator wasn't installed?

    Because the second problem is pretty easy to fix.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Wait which is it? The elevator shafts don't exist, or a service elevator wasn't installed?

    Because the second problem is pretty easy to fix.

    Well, if they "excluded plans for elevator shafts" (like it says), I'd say it's a racing certainty that the shafts don't exist. Even in Spain, the builders wouldn't put in something that wasn't on the plans. (Especially in Spain?)



  • The elevators infrastructure is there, but the building was projected to have 20 or something floors. Later they modified the planning to make it higher, but didn't thought about bigger elevators and what those imply: bigger shafts, machinery room, etc. So they can't put elevators for a highrise now and since the building is 90% made, such a big structural change can't be made.

    Yes, it's a WTF, and the architects in charge of the building recently quit and the building is supposed to be opened in late 2013 (right).

    OTOH, not sure of how many apartments were sold, but those probably were bought during the boom and in Spain lots of people bought "in plan" (crowdfunding!)

    Also, the "bank" (which wasn't a bank, but a politically controlled public banking institution called "caja") had to merge with others, created a private bank and now is one of the biggest holes in the banking system of Spain (last year they received in the order of tens of thousands of millions of euros).



  •  @Ben L. said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Today InTempo has 94% of its structure completed and 35% of its apartments sold.

    Who in the hell are buying the apartments? Assuming that 35% of them aren't on the first floor.

    Well, 94% of 47 is about 44. 35% of 44 is about 15. That means they sold 15 apartments, or about half of this building.

    An apartment per storey?

    Did you actually check that?



  • In Las Vegas there is a casino (the Suncoast) that has two escalators and one elevator so people don't have to climb SIX stairs. It's not even steep. Those escalators are cute, like baby escalators.


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    @Ronald said:

    In Las Vegas there is a casino (the Suncoast) that has two escalators and one elevator so people don't have to climb SIX stairs. It's not even steep. Those escalators are cute, like baby escalators.
    Anything like this?:



  • @PJH said:

    @Ronald said:
    In Las Vegas there is a casino (the Suncoast) that has two escalators and one elevator so people don't have to climb SIX stairs. It's not even steep. Those escalators are cute, like baby escalators.
    Anything like this?:

    YES! Except instead of being full of old people with shopping bags it's full of old people with players cards and buffet coupons.



  • @ubersoldat said:

    The elevators infrastructure is there, but the building was projected to have 20 or something floors. Later they modified the planning to make it higher, but didn't thought about bigger elevators and what those imply: bigger shafts, machinery room, etc. So they can't put elevators for a highrise now and since the building is 90% made, such a big structural change can't be made.

     

    A clever business man would rent an apartment on floor 20 and offer a "Carry-Service". pricing per floor or per time. The workers can be hired for minimum wage.

    Also "I forgot my car keys in the apartment" gets a whole new meaning... and weird looks if you show up an hour late and thats your excuse.

     

     



  • @boomzilla said:

    The initial backer of the project, Caixa Galicia, stopped paying workers for four months around the time it realized — after about 23 floors had been completed — that a service elevator hadn't been installed for the 41 workers who had been hauling materials up 23 flights of stairs.

    That doesn't make sense - 13 of them were injured when the lift they were in fell from the 10th floor in 2011*. It seems more plausible that after that the rest preferred to take the stairs.

    * Source (in Spanish).



  • @pjt33 said:

    @boomzilla said:
    The initial backer of the project, Caixa Galicia, stopped paying workers for four months around the time it realized — after about 23 floors had been completed — that a service elevator hadn't been installed for the 41 workers who had been hauling materials up 23 flights of stairs.

    That doesn't make sense - 13 of them were injured when the lift they were in fell from the 10th floor in 2011*. It seems more plausible that after that the rest preferred to take the stairs.

    Maybe. No one seems to be reporting much specificity on the timeline of events, but it looks like construction began in 2007, so it's possible they noticed the lack of service elevator prior to 4 years of construction work. In fact, the picture at wiki says it's from 2011, and the outer structure of the building is pretty much built:



  • @boomzilla said:

    @NY Daily News said:
    [ . . . ] around the time it realized — after about 23 floors had been completed — that a service elevator hadn't been installed for the 41 workers who had been hauling materials up 23 flights of stairs.

    Hey!  They've implemented Schlemiel the Builder's Algorithm!



  • @ubersoldat said:

    (last year they received in the order of tens of thousands of millions of euros).
    I think they call that "billions".



  • @El_Heffe said:

    @ubersoldat said:

    (last year they received in the order of tens of thousands of millions of euros).
    I think they call that "billions".

    In the US, we do. I'm not sure how it is now, but it used to be that in Britain, "billion" was a million millions, instead of a thousand millions.


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    @Jedalyzer said:

    I'm not sure how it is now, but it used to be that in Britain, "billion" was a million millions, instead of a thousand millions.
    Depends on who you're talking to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales#cite_note-38
    Billion has meant 109 in most sectors of official published writing for many years now. The UK government, the BBC, and most other broadcast or published mass media, have used the short scale in all contexts since the mid-1970s.


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    @Jedalyzer said:

    I'm not sure how it is now, but it used to be that in Britain, "billion" was a million millions, instead of a thousand millions.
    The UK uses the short-scale billion now. A pity; the long scale system was logical as it had exponentially increasing component suffixes allowing the system to use sane names up to as big a value as you might ever want (except for crypto).



  • The article is actually wrong. In Tempo does have elevators.

    http://www.microsiervos.com/archivo/leyendas-urbanas/rascacielos-intempo-benidorm-sin-ascensores.html (in Spanish)
    Photos.
    Website (in.. russian? WTF?) and <a href="https://twitter.com/INTEMPOBenidorm>twitter account</a> (Yes the building has a twitter account, and I think it needs a new community manager). <p> <p>The building is still ugly as hell, unnecessary and an obvious product of the real estate bubble (if it's really at 94% completion, it has some chance of being finished, but if it were at 50% it would just stay abandoned mid-construction like most other buildings are). Probably related to Benidorm being a city built for tourists (the kind of tourists that get drunk and jump from their hotel window to the swimming pool) in one of the most corrupt autonomous communities in Spain (Valencia).</p>



  • If they have a hard time selling units maybe they should build a villa on top of the building.

    For SIX YEARS people have complained about workers carrying rocks and other material in the elevators, and reported "cracks in the walls which leak when it rains". The construction was also done at night.

    Yet:

    @One of the people who complained said:

    "If I had that kind of money, I would do it too."



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Probably related to Benidorm being a city built for tourists (the kind of tourists that get drunk and jump from their hotel window to the swimming pool) in one of the most corrupt autonomous communities in Spain (Valencia).

    One of the most? Surely the most, with Andalucía the only other autonomía even close to challenging for the title? Valencia has Gürtel, Emarsa, a good claim on Nóos...



  • @PJH said:

    @Ronald said:
    In Las Vegas there is a casino (the Suncoast) that has two escalators and one elevator so people don't have to climb SIX stairs. It's not even steep. Those escalators are cute, like baby escalators.
    Anything like this?:

    I raise you a gym with escalators in front:

     

     


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    @Nexzus said:

    I raise you a gym with escalators in front:

    That's uh... so you can run up the down escalator.



  • @Ronald said:

    In Las Vegas there is a casino (the Suncoast) that has two escalators and one elevator so people don't have to climb SIX stairs. It's not even steep. Those escalators are cute, like baby escalators.

    The elevator is probably an Americans with Disability Act thing. I waited to let Blakey set you right, but he took too long.



  • @stinerman said:

    @Ronald said:
    In Las Vegas there is a casino (the Suncoast) that has two escalators and one elevator so people don't have to climb SIX stairs. It's not even steep. Those escalators are cute, like baby escalators.

    The elevator is probably an Americans with Disability Act thing. I waited to let Blakey set you right, but he took too long.

     

    He was over his limit, so he legally couldn't, because of the Pedantic Dickweed Equality Act.



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    @stinerman said:

    @Ronald said:
    In Las Vegas there is a casino (the Suncoast) that has <penis style="color: red">two escalators</penis> and one elevator so people don't have to climb SIX stairs. It's not even steep. Those escalators are cute, like baby escalators.

    The elevator is probably an Americans with Disability Act thing. I waited to let Blakey set you right, but he took too long.

     

    He was over his limit, so he legally couldn't, because of the Pedantic Dickweed Equality Act.

    Here's an idea: Instead of two escalators, a staircase, and an elevator, HOW ABOUT A RAMP? I'm sure they could find a place to put a ramp in the space vacated by that crap.



  • @Ben L. said:

    @Lorne Kates said:

    @stinerman said:

    @Ronald said:
    In Las Vegas there is a casino (the Suncoast) that has two escalators and one elevator so people don't have to climb SIX stairs. It's not even steep. Those escalators are cute, like baby escalators.

    The elevator is probably an Americans with Disability Act thing. I waited to let Blakey set you right, but he took too long.

     

    He was over his limit, so he legally couldn't, because of the Pedantic Dickweed Equality Act.

    Here's an idea: Instead of two escalators, a staircase, and an elevator, HOW ABOUT A RAMP? I'm sure they could find a place to put a ramp in the space vacated by that crap.

    Ramps are exhausting. Also unlike escalators and elevators they do not provide a clear direction for foot traffic and this can break the smooth flow of people coming and going. Also ramps are not popular with women in high heels (an important factor in casinos).



  • @Ronald said:

    Ramps are exhausting. Also unlike escalators and elevators they do not provide a clear direction for foot traffic and this can break the smooth flow of people coming and going. Also ramps are not popular with women in high heels (an important factor in casinos).

    Why not combine ramps with escalators, to get the slanted travellators used in American Gladiators?



  • @eViLegion said:

    Why not combine ramps with escalators, to get the slanted travellators used in American Gladiators?
     

    Maybe some large rotating doohickeys to help the crowds along.


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    @OldCrow said:

     @Ben L. said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Today InTempo has 94% of its structure completed and 35% of its apartments sold.

    Who in the hell are buying the apartments? Assuming that 35% of them aren't on the first floor.

    Well, 94% of 47 is about 44. 35% of 44 is about 15. That means they sold 15 apartments, or about half of this building.

    An apartment per storey?

    Did you actually check that?

    Given that the building is two towers joined at the top, it would have to be one apartment per two stories for that to make any sense.



  • @FrostCat said:

    @OldCrow said:

     @Ben L. said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Today InTempo has 94% of its structure completed and 35% of its apartments sold.

    Who in the hell are buying the apartments? Assuming that 35% of them aren't on the first floor.

    Well, 94% of 47 is about 44. 35% of 44 is about 15. That means they sold 15 apartments, or about half of this building.

    An apartment per storey?

    Did you actually check that?

    Given that the building is two towers joined at the top, it would have to be one apartment per two stories for that to make any sense.

    Given that one of the articles liked by anonymous234 shows a typical floorplan of 3 apartments per single-tower storey, Ben L. is just plain wrong.

     



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    Ben L. is just plain wrong.

    Gasp!!


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    @HardwareGeek said:

    @FrostCat said:

    @OldCrow said:

     @Ben L. said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Today InTempo has 94% of its structure completed and 35% of its apartments sold.

    Who in the hell are buying the apartments? Assuming that 35% of them aren't on the first floor.

    Well, 94% of 47 is about 44. 35% of 44 is about 15. That means they sold 15 apartments, or about half of this building.

    An apartment per storey?

    Did you actually check that?

    Given that the building is two towers joined at the top, it would have to be one apartment per two stories for that to make any sense.

    Given that one of the articles liked by anonymous234 shows a typical floorplan of 3 apartments per single-tower storey, Ben L. is just plain wrong.

     


    I think he was just making one of his characteristically unfunny jokes.


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