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  • I'm currently trying to get around registering to download a skyrim mod from Nexusmod. So I thought http://bugmenot.com/view/skyrim.nexusmods.com would be a sensible choice.

    Well, none of the accounts work, but the bann-reasons you get for the individual accounts are crazy. Go on, try them.

     

    Also just for the sake of the wtf: All banns have global IDs and can be accessed from anywhere:  Strong language warning



  • @fire2k said:

    Go on, try them.

    No.

    Where is the WTF?



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @fire2k said:
    Go on, try them.

    No.

    Where is the WTF?

     

    All users have a global UUID. All error messages have a default url. If you pass a non-banned UUID to the error message it will just say that your account is banned (even if you are validly logged in). If you pass a UUID that was actually banned you will get the reason for why the account was banned.

     If this was a site that actually mattered I'm pretty sure one could actually do a lot of crazy cross-scripting or error scamming things with this.



  • @fire2k said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @fire2k said:
    Go on, try them.

    No.

    Where is the WTF?

     

    All users have a global UUID. All error messages have a default url. If you pass a non-banned UUID to the error message it will just say that your account is banned (even if you are validly logged in). If you pass a UUID that was actually banned you will get the reason for why the account was banned.

     If this was a site that actually mattered I'm pretty sure one could actually do a lot of crazy cross-scripting or error scamming things with this.

    Wow I found the exact same bug on the Google search engine!!!1!!


    See:






    I'm gonna error-scam the hell out of those noobs.



  • Naked elfs!!! DOWNLOAD ALL THE NEKKED ELFS!!!

    Seriously Skyrim Nexus is a cesspool.



  • @Ronald said:

    See:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=fewrh9fh00f2342003290edjdsfpjoewdfpjoewdfjpoedfwjpoewfdjpefwdjpojewdfcjpjiewfdjpi
    Whoa!!  Google is awesome.  They indexed that post before it was made.




  • @El_Heffe said:

    Whoa!!  Google is awesome.  They indexed that post before it was made.

    That's because GoogleBot is written in Go, which doesn't suffer from the bottlenecks normally associated with context switching between threads..



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @El_Heffe said:
    Whoa!!  Google is awesome.  They indexed that post before it was made.

    That's because GoogleBot is written in Go, which doesn't suffer from the bottlenecks normally associated with context switching between threads..

    It also uses Go 1.2's quantum teleportation service to provide a negative response time. Your computer actually has the result of the search before the search term is entered!



  • @El_Heffe said:

    @Ronald said:

    See:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=fewrh9fh00f2342003290edjdsfpjoewdfpjoewdfjpoedfwjpoewfdjpefwdjpojewdfcjpjiewfdjpi
    Whoa!!  Google is awesome.  They indexed that post before it was made.


    This is normal, because I am awesome they have a robot constantly looking for content I post. They also have a permanent Google street view photo team parked just outside my car garage so they can update the internet with the latest picture of me. I have undisputable evidence.



  • @Ronald said:

    I have undisputable evidence.

    Oh, you live in Las Vegas. Oh God, I am so sorry.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Naked elfs!!! DOWNLOAD ALL THE NEKKED ELFS!!!

    Seriously Skyrim Nexus is a cesspool.

     

    Where do you get your mods? Steam Workshop?

     



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Skyrim Nexus is a cesspool.
    Well, for me it's the only place I know to get good mods (SkyUI for converting that dumb consoleified interface into something that you can actually properly use on a "real" computer is awesome - I couldn't live without it). I don't know if that "Steam Workshop" could provide them as well - I never got into that because, well, I already had a Nexus account for Oblivion, Fallout 3/NV etc., so I never felt the need to go anywhere else. Sure, there's also a lot of crap mods, but "wagonloads of crap with some exquisite pearls hidden among it" is part of the definition of "community modding", I think.

    @blakeyrat said:

    Naked elfs!!!
    Naked elfs are still better than naked Argonians (Lizards with boobs are TRWTF).

     



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @Ronald said:
    I have undisputable evidence.

    Oh, you live in Las Vegas. Oh God, I am so sorry.

    Actually I'm usually in Vegas only from early June to mid-August. My real home is in Key Largo but I hate the summer in Florida, it's unbearable.

    Regarding Las Vegas: it is a beautiful city, with the mountains all around and the superb weather, and everything is dirt cheap and high-quality (food, booze, cars). But lately the city is back in full-blast vice mode (the latest trend is the "toptional" pool parties) and the economy is terrible so you start seeing things like dive bars and strippers clubs accepting food stamps (under the table) or casinos giving out free drinks to locals when they cash out their paycheck there. It's not Detroit but the mood is definitely gloomy. I'm thinking about renting out the condo to one of those agencies who take care of everything and come back less often. That's what I do with my cottage in Idaho Falls and even if it pays a bit less it's a lot better than dealing with tenants (which are by definition poor people).



  • @Ronald said:

    My real home is in Key Largo but I hate the summer in Florida, it's unbearable.

    Florida? Once again, sorry.

    @Ronald said:

    Regarding Las Vegas: it is a beautiful city, with the mountains all around and the superb weather, and everything is dirt cheap and high-quality (food, booze, cars).

    It looks like a living hell. Well, at least you have a McDonald's and a CVS nearby. That's how you know you've made it big in Las Vegas, baby.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @Ronald said:
    My real home is in Key Largo but I hate the summer in Florida, it's unbearable.

    Florida? Once again, sorry.

    @Ronald said:

    Regarding Las Vegas: it is a beautiful city, with the mountains all around and the superb weather, and everything is dirt cheap and high-quality (food, booze, cars).

    It looks like a living hell. Well, at least you have a McDonald's and a CVS nearby. That's how you know you've made it big in Las Vegas, baby.

    You have no idea how creepy that CVS can be at 4am on weekdays. There are things happening in that area. Dark things.



  • @Ronald said:

    You have no idea how creepy that CVS can be at 4am on weekdays. There are things happening in that area. Dark things.

    Many moons ago, after arriving in Vegas on a late night flight with a group of guys for a bachelor party, we asked the cabbie stop at a convenience store just outside town. Inside, I was amused to find a small bank of slot machines. We proceeded to buy booze, cigarettes, and cheap cigars to last for days. However, when I asked the clerk about nudie mags, they became indignant. "This is a family establishment! We don't carry that type of thing!!"

    Vice roll call: Gambling - present. Alcohol - present. Tobacco - present. Boobies... Boobies?

    I found the morality line intriguing.



  • @malaka said:

    @Ronald said:

    You have no idea how creepy that CVS can be at 4am on weekdays. There are things happening in that area. Dark things.

    Many moons ago, after arriving in Vegas on a late night flight with a group of guys for a bachelor party, we asked the cabbie stop at a convenience store just outside town. Inside, I was amused to find a small bank of slot machines. We proceeded to buy booze, cigarettes, and cheap cigars to last for days. However, when I asked the clerk about nudie mags, they became indignant. "This is a family establishment! We don't carry that type of thing!!"

    Vice roll call: Gambling - present. Alcohol - present. Tobacco - present. Boobies... Boobies?

    I found the morality line intriguing.

    Things have changed. Now there are free XXX newspapers vending machines every 25 feet everywhere in a 3 miles radius from the Strip and you can ask the clerk at the gas bar which escort service he recommends. And it's a fact that booze and gambling are available everywhere, there are even slot machines at the grocery store. Some of the creepiest motels downtown on Fremont also have slot machines in the lobby; the kind of place where putting a $10 bill in the slot machine makes you a high-flyer and is a terrific chick magnet (as long as you don't mind the kind of chicks that lives in that ecosystem).



  • @Anonymouse said:

    Well, for me it's the only place I know to get good mods (SkyUI for converting that dumb consoleified interface into something that you can actually properly use on a "real" computer is awesome - I couldn't live without it).

    Why people will take a game designed to be played with a controller and go to enormous lengths to make it work in a shitty fashion with a keyboard and mouse is simply beyond me. Because apparently if I plug a Xbox 360 controller into my computer it's no longer "real". I guess?

    Hey here's a thought: maybe when PCs can move 1/10th the product as even the shittiest console, game companies will start developing for keyboards and mouses.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Why people will take a game designed to be played with a controller and go to enormous lengths to make it work in a shitty fashion with a keyboard and mouse is simply beyond me. Because apparently if I plug a Xbox 360 controller into my computer it's no longer "real". I guess?

    QFT. Playing Oblivion on PC was particularly irking, because for some reason I could never get it to recognize the controller, but I could only hotkey 1-8 because consoles used the D pad for hotkeys. Also, any game where you have to drive (GTA and LA Noire come to mind) sucks rocks using a keyboard IMO.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    Why people will take a game designed to be played with a controller and go to enormous lengths to make it work in a shitty fashion with a keyboard and mouse is simply beyond me.

    I played Skyrim with a mouse and G13 and honestly believe the experience would have been inferior with another input method.

    The G13 is programmable so that even if a game has obnoxious controls that aren't remappable you can force it into something you like, and even record/script complex actions, though this sometimes feels like cheating. Generally I leave the game at its default mappings and then set up a profile (takes maybe 10 minutes) setting up each action in the G13 with a descriptive name and then mapping those actions to keys that feel natural to me.



  • @joe.edwards said:

    G13

    Fucking nerdgasm. Except for that stupid cord. I'd buy one this second if it was wireless.


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    There's a mod that streams real-time game data to that LCD screen!

    Edit: Just noticed in the reviews someone is using it for Excel. I never even thought about using it for work stuff.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @El_Heffe said:
    Whoa!!  Google is awesome.  They indexed that post before it was made.

    That's because GoogleBot is written in Go, which doesn't suffer from the bottlenecks normally associated with context switching between threads..

    Or any of that causality shit.



  • Ok well I've done this crazy thing called "trying both ways" and I can guarantee the game is 30 times better with the Xbox 360 controller it was explicitly designed to work with.

    Why the fuck would you drop so much $$$ on that Logitech bullshit before buying a much more useful $30 controller that virtually every AAA game is built around? PC gamer snobs are stupid.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    Ok well I've done this crazy thing called "trying both ways" and I can guarantee the game is 30 times better with the Xbox 360 controller it was explicitly designed to work with.

    Why the fuck would you drop so much $$$ on that Logitech bullshit before buying a much more useful $30 controller that virtually every AAA game is built around? PC gamer snobs are stupid.

    It's inconceivable to you, but I actually find the keyboard more comfortable. Yes, some people are not exactly like you! Imagine that.

    Also, it's not $$$, it's chump change.



  • You haven't even fucking tried it, you lying bitch. I know a dozen dumbshits just like you. You'd rather have colon cancer than play a Halo game for even 3 milliseconds. I got your number.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    You haven't even fucking tried it, you lying bitch. I know a dozen dumbshits just like you. You'd rather have colon cancer than play a Halo game for even 3 milliseconds. I got your number.

    Actually I own the game on XBox 360, PS3, and PC. And I prefer it on PC; partially because of the graphics and mods, but mostly because the input method is superior.

    Edit: Here's my Steam Library, I have quite a few on GoG as well.



  • @joe.edwards said:

    Actually I own the game on XBox 360, PS3, and PC.

    FFS, why?


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    @mikeTheLiar said:

    @joe.edwards said:
    Actually I own the game on XBox 360, PS3, and PC.

    FFS, why?

    Well, I got the PS3 one as a gift. I hate returning gifts, it feels ungrateful. I tend to preorder console games to get nifty in-game prizes from eg Gamestop. And Steam. Well. I have a Steam problem (see above).



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Ok well I've done this crazy thing called "trying both ways" and I can guarantee the game is 30 times better with the Xbox 360 controller it was explicitly designed to work with.

    Why the fuck would you drop so much $$$ on that Logitech bullshit before buying a much more useful $30 controller that virtually every AAA game is built around? PC gamer snobs are stupid.

     

    You've got to be kidding.

    Granted, I never played Skyrim on an Xbox 360 controller, but I did play Oblivion on the 360 and on the PC, and it was horribly unplayable on the 360, mostly due to the stupid controller.  It's essentially a variant on a FPS engine, and you just cannot aim properly with a thumbstick.  The only FPSs I've seen that were not ridiculously unplayable on a console were the Metroid Prime series, because they understood that you just cannot aim properly with a thumbstick, and coded up an auto-aim feature.  But of course, on a TES game, auto-aim would actively get in the way, particularly in shops or other areas where there are lots of potential targets all close together, so the only way to actually do anything if you don't have a mouse is to move the thumbstick verrrrry... slooowly... annnnd... preciiiiisely.

    No thanks.  I'll stick with my mouse, and a keyboard that gives me more than 10 buttons to work with.

     



  • @Anonymouse said:

    SkyUI for converting that dumb consoleified interface into something that you can actually properly use

    Yeah, I got fed up with that UI quite quickly. Never really got into gaming on the console, I used to own a 360, but it red-ringed on me and I never had the urge to spend another couple hundred on replacing it. I guess I've always been a PC gamer at heart, and that's where I'm most comfortable (darn kids, get off my lawn!). The only thing I really prefer console controllers for is racing games. Besides, I don't think I would have derived nearly the entertainment out of Skyrim, Oblivion, and Fallout III as I have without mods. Some of them are really quite clever (Alternate Variants, SkyTest, and SkyBirds spring to mind).



  • @joe.edwards said:

    @mikeTheLiar said:
    @joe.edwards said:
    Actually I own the game on XBox 360, PS3, and PC.

    FFS, why?

    Well, I got the PS3 one as a gift. I hate returning gifts, it feels ungrateful. I tend to preorder console games to get nifty in-game prizes from eg Gamestop. And Steam. Well. I have a Steam problem (see above).

    Ok I take back some of what I said.

    You're still stupid. Just stupid in an entirely different way I didn't anticipate.



  • @Mason Wheeler said:

    It's essentially a variant on a FPS engine,

    Uh. By which you mean, "it's not really a FPS at all?" There's not much aiming in Elder Scrolls games, not even for archery. (Some, but nothing too urgent since the bow draw delay gives you plenty of aim time even if you want to rapid-fire them.)

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    and you just cannot aim properly with a thumbstick.

    Millions of people do exactly that ever day. I play Black Ops II and Battlefield 3 on a Xbox controller and have no issues.

    Speak for your fucking self.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    But of course, on a TES game, auto-aim would actively get in the way, particularly in shops or other areas where there are lots of potential targets all close together, so the only way to actually do anything if you don't have a mouse is to move the thumbstick verrrrry... slooowly... annnnd... preciiiiisely.

    Hit up Creation Kit and take a look at how Gamebryo/Creation Engine actually determines hits with bladed weapons. You may be surprised.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    It's essentially a variant on a FPS engine,

    Uh. By which you mean, "it's not really a FPS at all?" There's not much aiming in Elder Scrolls games, not even for archery. (Some, but nothing too urgent since the bow draw delay gives you plenty of aim time even if you want to rapid-fire them.)

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    and you just cannot aim properly with a thumbstick.

    Millions of people do exactly that ever day. I play Black Ops II and Battlefield 3 on a Xbox controller and have no issues.

    Meh.  I got out of the Xbox scene before those games came out, but I remember plenty of other FPSs from earlier days (Halo 3, Modern Warfare, etc) and multiplayer had very little to do with aiming and shooting.  Some games were more egregious about it than others, but almost invariably "multiplayer match" turned out to be synonimous with "grenade race."  And since the controller is still the same, I find it difficult to imagine that things would have changed all that much in the last 5 years.

    Which, by the way, brings us to the Xbox controller.  Typical Microsoft product: blatantly rip off the best thing out there among the competition, (the Dual Shock, in this case,) but get a bunch of details wrong that make it a less useful product.  For example, the Dual Shock's stick placement is symmetrical.  The XBox's is not.  How in the world did they manage to screw that up?  How is getting something that obvious wrong even possible?!?  And while we're on the subject of thumbsticks, the heads of Dual Shock's sticks are convex and well-padded with soft rubber.  The 360's heads are concave and have only a single layer of soft plastic padding over a hard plastic stick, which means that pressing on the stick for any length of time (such as a marathon TES session) becomes incredibly painful very quickly.  And even pressing down directly on the middle of the stick instead of pressing against the rim, in order to avoid the pain of the sharp edge digging into your thumb, doesn't help; for no good reason, they put hard bumps on the top of the stick that dig into your thumb anyway!  That's not a thumbstick, it's a freaking instrument of torture!

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    But of course, on a TES game, auto-aim would actively get in the way, particularly in shops or other areas where there are lots of potential targets all close together, so the only way to actually do anything if you don't have a mouse is to move the thumbstick verrrrry... slooowly... annnnd... preciiiiisely.

    Hit up Creation Kit and take a look at how Gamebryo/Creation Engine actually determines hits with bladed weapons. You may be surprised.

     

    I would be surprised indeed, if I somehow found that bladed weapons had anything to do with picking up items in shops or other areas where there are lots of potential targets (ie. loot) all close together.

     



  • @Mason Wheeler said:

    Meh. I got out of the Xbox scene before those games came out, but I remember plenty of other FPSs from earlier days (Halo 3, Modern Warfare, etc) and multiplayer had very little to do with aiming and shooting. Some games were more egregious about it than others, but almost invariably "multiplayer match" turned out to be synonimous with "grenade race." And since the controller is still the same, I find it difficult to imagine that things would have changed all that much in the last 5 years.

    How much "wrong" can you fit into one paragraph?

    And it's funny how you can make a valid complaint about Halo 3 (a lot of the time matches turn into a "melee race"), but somehow attribute it to grenades which are half-useless in Halo multiplayer.

    You've never played any of those games. You're a liar, and not even a good one.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    Which, by the way, brings us to the Xbox controller. Typical Microsoft product: blatantly rip off the best thing out there among the competition, (the Dual Shock, in this case,) but get a bunch of details wrong that make it a less useful product.

    You've never used one, have you?

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    For example, the Dual Shock's stick placement is symmetrical.

    Yeah, which makes it a bitch to hold.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    The XBox's is not. How in the world did they manage to screw that up?

    They didn't. They fixed a long-standing gripe about symmetrical thumbsticks that Sony wasn't willing to.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    How is getting something that obvious wrong even possible?!?

    Oh I'm getting it now. You're a crusty old Lunix fan, so to you, anything that is different is "obviously wrong". Because it's not identical to how controllers were in 1975.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    And while we're on the subject of thumbsticks, the heads of Dual Shock's sticks are convex and well-padded with soft rubber.  The 360's heads are concave

    So your thumbs don't slip off when they're sweaty. Another improvement.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    and have only a single layer of soft plastic padding over a hard plastic stick, which means that pressing on the stick for any length of time (such as a marathon TES session) becomes incredibly painful very quickly.

    Why are you pressing on the stick? If you're using any downward pressure (other than to click it), you're doing something wrong.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    And even pressing down directly on the middle of the stick instead of pressing against the rim, in order to avoid the pain of the sharp edge digging into your thumb, doesn't help; for no good reason, they put hard bumps on the top of the stick that dig into your thumb anyway! That's not a thumbstick, it's a freaking instrument of torture!

    The bumps are so you can center your thumb by feel. And why the holy fuck are you pressing down on the stick? Did it ever occur to you that if doing something hurts, and has no function in gameplay, GEE MAYBE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM and not the controller?

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    I would be surprised indeed, if I somehow found that bladed weapons had anything to do with picking up items in shops or other areas where there are lots of potential targets (ie. loot) all close together.

    Any loot worth picking up is in a chest.



  • If you have a PC, a 360 and a PS3, TRWTF is not always playing the PC versions, what with them almost always being much, much better.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    Meh. I got out of the Xbox scene before those games came out, but I remember plenty of other FPSs from earlier days (Halo 3, Modern Warfare, etc) and multiplayer had very little to do with aiming and shooting. Some games were more egregious about it than others, but almost invariably "multiplayer match" turned out to be synonimous with "grenade race." And since the controller is still the same, I find it difficult to imagine that things would have changed all that much in the last 5 years.

    How much "wrong" can you fit into one paragraph?

    And it's funny how you can make a valid complaint about Halo 3 (a lot of the time matches turn into a "melee race"), but somehow attribute it to grenades which are half-useless in Halo multiplayer.

    You've never played any of those games. You're a liar, and not even a good one.

    I assure you, I played them plenty.  Using your logic, because your experience with them does not match mine, obviously *you* have neve played them and are a poor liar about it.

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    Which, by the way, brings us to the Xbox controller. Typical Microsoft product: blatantly rip off the best thing out there among the competition, (the Dual Shock, in this case,) but get a bunch of details wrong that make it a less useful product.

    You've never used one, have you?

    Again, yes I did.  Professionally, in fact.  Before landing my current job as a programmer, I was making ends meet as a game tester for XBox 360 games.  I used that bloody horrible controller 40 hours a week for the better part of a freaking year!  Don't try to tell me I don't know what's wrong with it.

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    For example, the Dual Shock's stick placement is symmetrical.

    Yeah, which makes it a bitch to hold. @Mason Wheeler said:

    The XBox's is not. How in the world did they manage to screw that up?

    They didn't. They fixed a long-standing gripe about symmetrical thumbsticks that Sony wasn't willing to.

    Citation needed.  What in the world does thumbstick placement (which has to do with thumbs) have to do with holding the controller (which has to do with wrapping the rest of your hand around the handles)?  If anything, putting the left stick further away from the handle  makes the 360's harder to hold!

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    How is getting something that obvious wrong even possible?!?

    Oh I'm getting it now. You're a crusty old Lunix fan, so to you, anything that is different is "obviously wrong". Because it's not identical to how controllers were in 1975.

    Don't be ridiculous.  I've never been a "Lunix" fan, because they can never get basic user interface details right. (Hint: If a user that does not know that a command line exists is not able to perform ordinary, day-to-day tasks, your operating system is a failure.)  Also, video game controllers as we know them didn't exist in 1975, and the Dual Shock was different in many ways than what came before it.  I have no problems with things that are different as long as they're improvements.  It's just that the Xbox controller's changes all seem to be steps backwards instead of forwards.

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    And while we're on the subject of thumbsticks, the heads of Dual Shock's sticks are convex and well-padded with soft rubber.  The 360's heads are concave

    So your thumbs don't slip off when they're sweaty. Another improvement.

    ...what?  OK, I'm sorry, but that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. If your thumbs are getting all sweaty when you're playing video games, then you're obviously... umm... I don't even know what to say to that, actually.  But I have the vague feeling that the only way to finish that sentence in a way that makes any sense at all would involve some sort of innuendo.

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    and have only a single layer of soft plastic padding over a hard plastic stick, which means that pressing on the stick for any length of time (such as a marathon TES session) becomes incredibly painful very quickly.

    Why are you pressing on the stick? If you're using any downward pressure (other than to click it), you're doing something wrong.

    I didn't say anything about downward pressure.  From the context, it should be clear that I'm talking about pressure on the rim (ie tilting the stick in a direction, which is what you normally use it for.)

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    And even pressing down directly on the middle of the stick instead of pressing against the rim, in order to avoid the pain of the sharp edge digging into your thumb, doesn't help; for no good reason, they put hard bumps on the top of the stick that dig into your thumb anyway! That's not a thumbstick, it's a freaking instrument of torture!

    The bumps are so you can center your thumb by feel. And why the holy fuck are you pressing down on the stick? Did it ever occur to you that if doing something hurts, and has no function in gameplay, GEE MAYBE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM and not the controller?

    I didn't mean "pressing down" as in "pushing in,"  but as in "pressing your thumb against the stick so that you can operate it."  Reading comprehension fail.

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    I would be surprised indeed, if I somehow found that bladed weapons had anything to do with picking up items in shops or other areas where there are lots of potential targets (ie. loot) all close together.

    Any loot worth picking up is in a chest.

     

    Oh, so in other words you have no idea how to play a TES game.  I see.

     



  • @eViLegion said:

    If you have a PC, a 360 and a PS3, TRWTF is not always playing the PC versions, what with them almost always being much, much better.

    I agree, but choice of platform != choice of controller. If the game is built for a 360 controller, play it with a 360 controller. Duh.



  • @Mason Wheeler said:

    I assure you, I played them plenty. Using your logic, because your experience with them does not match mine, obviously you have neve played them and are a poor liar about it.

    NO U

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    Again, yes I did.  Professionally, in fact. Before landing my current job as a programmer, I was making ends meet as a game tester for XBox 360 games. I used that bloody horrible controller 40 hours a week for the better part of a freaking year! Don't try to tell me I don't know what's wrong with it.

    And in all that time you never figured out how to work it without hurting your thumbs? Something 90% of every 3rd grader in the US knows? You're not making yourself look good here, bud

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    I didn't say anything about downward pressure. From the context, it should be clear that I'm talking about pressure on the rim (ie tilting the stick in a direction, which is what you normally use it for.)

    Why are you putting pressure on the RIM? Your thumb should be in the middle, not at the rim. Go find a third grader and have them show you how to use the damned thing.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    ...what? OK, I'm sorry, but that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. If your thumbs are getting all sweaty when you're playing video games, then you're obviously... umm... I don't even know what to say to that, actually.  But I have the vague feeling that the only way to finish that sentence in a way that makes any sense at all would involve some sort of innuendo.

    Here, I'll help:

    @Some alternative Mason Wheeler who isn't a moron said:

    If your thumbs are getting all sweaty when you're playing video games, then you're obviously a human being playing a competitive game over a long period of time.

    I mean I'm a lizard-person and even I know that humans sweat when under pressure.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    I didn't mean "pressing down" as in "pushing in," but as in "pressing your thumb against the stick so that you can operate it." Reading comprehension fail.

    Your thumb is INSIDE the concave bit, that's the FUCKING POINT of it. Why are you pressing your thumb AGAINST the stick!?

    Before this conversation, I would have thought it impossible for a normal human being to pick up a Xbox 360 controller and somehow not figure out how to put his hands on it. I guess I was wrong!

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    Oh, so in other words you have no idea how to play a TES game. I see.

    Yes: I don't bother picking up pots and pans. Why the fuck would I be? The only thing I'm looting is corpses and chests, and neither requires much aim.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Why people will take a game designed to be played with a controller and go to enormous lengths to make it work in a shitty fashion with a keyboard and mouse is simply beyond me.

    I play Dark Souls (worst PC port of best console game this decade) with a keyboard and mouse. With the two requisite mods to make the damn game playable on PCs of course - one that unlocks the reslution from 480p and the other removes the camera jitter when playing with mouse. Come at me bro.

    I know people who prefer controllers over KB/M (especially for Dark Souls) and I've tried using them a few times in my life, but the lack of any fidelity in aiming always puts me off.



  • @Ronald said:

    You have no idea how creepy that CVS can be at 4am on weekdays
    And it's better at 4am on a weekend?  If you are in a CVS at 4am you're doing something very wrong.


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    @Arnavion said:

    @blakeyrat said:
    Why people will take a game designed to be played with a controller and go to enormous lengths to make it work in a shitty fashion with a keyboard and mouse is simply beyond me.

    I play Dark Souls (worst PC port of best console game this decade) with a keyboard and mouse. With the two requisite mods to make the damn game playable on PCs of course - one that unlocks the reslution from 480p and the other removes the camera jitter when playing with mouse. Come at me bro.

    I know people who prefer controllers over KB/M (especially for Dark Souls) and I've tried using them a few times in my life, but the lack of any fidelity in aiming always puts me off.

    I have Dark Souls still in cellophane for PS3. I was wanting to beat Demon's Souls but that game made me want to embed my controller deeply into the nearest wall.

    You know what my favorite feature is? If your Wifi hiccups for a second, it dumps you at the title screen with no warning and no opportunity to save or reconnect; do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Fuck that game. Fuck it forever.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @eViLegion said:
    If you have a PC, a 360 and a PS3, TRWTF is not always playing the PC versions, what with them almost always being much, much better.

    I agree, but choice of platform != choice of controller. If the game is built for a 360 controller, play it with a 360 controller. Duh.


    No. If you own a game, play it on the controller and in the method that you are the most comfortable playing on. Adapting your play style to someone else's definition of 'correct' is just going to lead to frustration.

    Personally I hate any kind of first-person game on a gamepad. Not sure why, but I'm just more comfortable with a keyboard and mouse. Probably because I've been playing that way for years, and I personally feel the mouse gives you better fine control than a thumb stick. Right or wrong, keyboard and mouse works for me and that's the play style I'm happy with.



  • @joe.edwards said:

    You know what my favorite feature is? If your Wifi hiccups for a second, it dumps you at the title screen with no warning and no opportunity to save or reconnect; do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Fuck that game. Fuck it forever.

    At least the PC version is playable offline. I unplug the internet when I have to use Cheat Engine to get past bosses.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    I didn't say anything about downward pressure. From the context, it should be clear that I'm talking about pressure on the rim (ie tilting the stick in a direction, which is what you normally use it for.)

    Why are you putting pressure on the RIM? Your thumb should be in the middle, not at the rim. Go find a third grader and have them show you how to use the damned thing.

    ...which I already discussed. If your thumb is inside the concave part, then unless it's smaller than the finger of our hypothetical third grader, those hard bumps are going to be digging into it.

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    ...what? OK, I'm sorry, but that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. If your thumbs are getting all sweaty when you're playing video games, then you're obviously... umm... I don't even know what to say to that, actually.  But I have the vague feeling that the only way to finish that sentence in a way that makes any sense at all would involve some sort of innuendo.

    Here, I'll help:

    @Some alternative Mason Wheeler who isn't a moron said:

    If your thumbs are getting all sweaty when you're playing video games, then you're obviously a human being playing a competitive game over a long period of time.

    I mean I'm a lizard-person and even I know that humans sweat when under pressure.

    Physical pressure.  If you're sweating from the extreme exertion of playing a video game, go see a doctor.  Seriously.  (Either that or turn on the air conditioning.)

    @Mason Wheeler said:
    I didn't mean "pressing down" as in "pushing in," but as in "pressing your thumb against the stick so that you can operate it." Reading comprehension fail.

    Your thumb is INSIDE the concave bit, that's the FUCKING POINT of it. Why are you pressing your thumb AGAINST the stick!?

    See above, re: hard bumps digging into your thumb if you do it that way.

    Before this conversation, I would have thought it impossible for a normal human being to pick up a Xbox 360 controller and somehow not figure out how to put his hands on it. I guess I was wrong!

    Before this conversation, I would have thought it impossible for a normal human being to think that this is a good controller design.  I guess it's just a learning experience for everyone today!

     


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    @Arnavion said:

    @joe.edwards said:
    You know what my favorite feature is? If your Wifi hiccups for a second, it dumps you at the title screen with no warning and no opportunity to save or reconnect; do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Fuck that game. Fuck it forever.

    At least the PC version is playable offline. I unplug the internet when I have to use Cheat Engine to get past bosses.

    I recently beat Deus Ex: Human Revolution on Give Me Deus Ex difficulty, mostly pacifist run (I broke pacifist to save Malik, but still got the good morality endings); but fuck, with games like this, I'd rather watch someone else struggle with it. Kaizo Mario is especially entertaining to watch (ridiculously difficult Super Mario World romhack). It would be beyond frustrating to play, but watching someone else swearing at the screen gets to be quite amusing.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Ok well I've done this crazy thing called "trying both ways" and I can guarantee the game is 30 times better with the Xbox 360 controller it was explicitly designed to work with.

    Why the fuck would you drop so much $$$ on that Logitech bullshit before buying a much more useful $30 controller that virtually every AAA game is built around? PC gamer snobs are stupid.



    No offense, but most of my AAA games are built around keyboard+mouse or just play better with keyboard and mouse. The only exception to this rule are Action Adventure games, Driving games, and fighting games. Every single other game on PC is better with a keyboard and mouse.

    Personally, I just prefer to play the games that need a controller on a console, but sometimes steam just has sales too good to pass up.

     



  • @Mason Wheeler said:

    ...which I already discussed. If your thumb is inside the concave part, then unless it's smaller than the finger of our hypothetical third grader, those hard bumps are going to be digging into it.

    They aren't digging into it, because you're not putting pressure on it. Try to keep up.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    Physical pressure. If you're sweating from the extreme exertion of playing a video game, go see a doctor. Seriously. (Either that or turn on the air conditioning.)

    Your body can't tell the difference and reacts the same. Microsoft designed the Xbox 360 controller for human beings.

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    See above, re: hard bumps digging into your thumb if you do it that way.

    The bumps aren't fucking MOTORIZED. They aren't digging into your thumb, you're digging your thumb into them. Just stop doing that. Idiot.



  • @joe.edwards said:

    Kaizo Mario is especially entertaining to watch (ridiculously difficult Super Mario World romhack). It would be beyond frustrating to play, but watching someone else swearing at the screen gets to be quite amusing.

    That's so kaizo!!!

    ... but seriously, stop watching those LPs. You're everything wrong with the LP fans right now.



  • @Snooder said:

    Every single other game on PC is better with a keyboard and mouse.

    Skyrim isn't. What about Super Meat Boy? Rayman Origins?

    There's shitloads of PC games that are better with a controller.


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